octaviars Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, thyname said: it's cheap enough for me to experiment and try clocking the EtherREGEN with my MSB Discrete DAC world clock output I am sorry to say that it wont work. The MSB outputs a Word clock that is 44.1/48kHz or multiple of that the etherREGEN needs a reference clock that outputs 10MHz like the Mutec Ref 10 for example. Main system TAD D1000mk2, TAD M2500mk2, TAD CE-1, Ansuz Mainz 8 C2, Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Qobuz Studio -> Roon ROCK on NUC -> Uptone etherREGEN -> dCS Network Bridge -> AES/EBU -> DAC HD Plex 200W PSU (4 rail for ISP fiber, router, etherREGEN and NUC) Second system Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree Link to comment
thyname Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, octaviars said: I am sorry to say that it wont work. The MSB outputs a Word clock that is 44.1/48kHz or multiple of that the etherREGEN needs a reference clock that outputs 10MHz like the Mutec Ref 10 for example. Oh s***t. I checked with MSB and they said it’s 75 Ohms, so I figured it would work Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted October 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 Steady progress! Thermal compound/adhesive attachment of the heat sinks takes longer than anticipated, but my assistant is almost done with the first 200 boards. My usually somewhat lazy 18 year old son has flashed the code on almost every board--that went fast--and is now performing the functional Q.C. tests on each board in the prescribed manner. flkin, spotforscott, Indydan and 4 others 3 4 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Popular Post thyname Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 Oh boy.... letting a (somewhat lazy) millennia flash codes and doing quality control is a sure recipe for disaster 😀 (//joke) RickyV, jos and Superdad 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted October 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, thyname said: Oh boy.... letting a (somewhat lazy) millennia flash codes and doing quality control is a sure recipe for disaster 😀 (//joke) Actually he is a self-taught Linux and some C-programming wiz. I just wish he would get a job or go to college. He is the only one of our 3 kids that is a total "mini-me." When I was his age my only interests were audio, music, bicycles, pot, and girls (not necessarily in that order--and preferably all mixed together!). While we don't worry too much about him--he will turn out fine--it is a different world and our little town does not offer the culture and opportunities that I was able to tap into in Los Angeles in the 1970s... thyname and PYP 2 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Jud Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Superdad said: Steady progress! Thermal compound/adhesive attachment of the heat sinks takes longer than anticipated, but my assistant is almost done with the first 200 boards. My usually somewhat lazy 18 year old son has flashed the code on almost every board--that went fast--and is now performing the functional Q.C. tests on each board in the prescribed manner. From the look on your assistant's face, I think when all this is done a spa visit on UpTone to massage that hand may be in order. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post RickyV Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, Superdad said: Actually he is a self-taught Linux and some C-programming wiz. I just wish he would get a job or go to college. He is the only one of our 3 kids that is a total "mini-me." When I was his age my only interests were audio, music, bicycles, pot, and girls (not necessarily in that order--and preferably all mixed together!). While we don't worry too much about him--he will turn out fine--it is a different world and our little town does not offer the culture and opportunities that I was able to tap into in Los Angeles in the 1970s... pot? what is pot? You should stimulate mini-you towards college, degrees are important. Does mini-you read this forum too? If so, I think he”ll be very angry by now.😂 jos and Superdad 2 Meitner ma1 v2 dac, Sovereign preamp and power amp, DIY speakers, scan speak illuminator. Raal Requisite VM-1a -> SR-1a with Accurate Sound convolution. Under development: NUC7i7dnbe, Euphony Stylus, Qobuz. Modded Buffalo-fiber-EtherRegen, DC3- Isoregen, Lush^2 Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted October 30, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jud said: From the look on your assistant's face, I think when all this is done a spa visit on UpTone to massage that hand may be in order. That's a great idea! I must admit, while she is usually very cheerful, these past couple of days with the heat sinks have not been her "happy place." PYP and Jud 1 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
stevebythebay Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just wondering, given the level and number of components, complexity of the design (all that clocking and voltage regulation), and board depth, have you or others found that there’s any change in performance as the EtherREGEN “settles in”? Steve Schaffer Grimm MU1 / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler - APEX DAC - Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral Anniversary monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia V / Wilson Lōkē subs / Shunyata Everest / Shunyata Omega interconnects, power cables, Ethernet / Shunyata Altaira / Uptone EtherREGEN switch / Cybershaft OP21A-D / Uptone JS2 LPS / HRS racks - Vortex footers - damping plates Link to comment
Superdad Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevebythebay said: Just wondering, given the level and number of components, complexity of the design (all that clocking and voltage regulation), and board depth, have you or others found that there’s any change in performance as the EtherREGEN “settles in”? Yes, both myself, John, and our beta testers all noticed improvement after some X number of hours of use/power on. I don't want to be controversial (not that EtherREGEN and the whole Ethernet switch having sonic relevance is not already controversial to the skeptical contingent ) by claiming to know just what is changing over time. Mostly we suspect clock warm-up/stabilization. However, a month or so back, when I was doing last check of the beta units before sending them, I sure noticed how "green" they were, and as soon as I reattached my personal beta unit (with 50+ hours on it), I grinned with it all the more right away. But it had been sitting cold for 4 hours... So maybe there is something more than just clock warm up. Guess all you fine people will find out and report about it fairly soon. Matias 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
stevebythebay Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Thanks. I'll be sure to "burn" in my unit when it arrives, for the 50+ hours, before doing any critical listening. That's far less than the typical hundreds it can take for other components I've used in my system. Luckily it's just a matter of turning on Roon and shuffling through my library and playing through the digital chain. Steve Schaffer Grimm MU1 / dCS Vivaldi Upsampler - APEX DAC - Clock / Spectral DMC-30SV preamp / Spectral Anniversary monoblocks / Wilson Audio Alexia V / Wilson Lōkē subs / Shunyata Everest / Shunyata Omega interconnects, power cables, Ethernet / Shunyata Altaira / Uptone EtherREGEN switch / Cybershaft OP21A-D / Uptone JS2 LPS / HRS racks - Vortex footers - damping plates Link to comment
Indydan Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Superdad said: Steady progress! Thermal compound/adhesive attachment of the heat sinks takes longer than anticipated, but my assistant is almost done with the first 200 boards. My usually somewhat lazy 18 year old son has flashed the code on almost every board--that went fast--and is now performing the functional Q.C. tests on each board in the prescribed manner. It looks like you're on target for November 15th! Link to comment
Puma Cat Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 FWIW, I found that my OpticalModule definitely needed some burn-in, and was nicely "settled" after about 72 hours. I just put the music server on continuous play and had Roon stream content through it for three days. Another 24 hours just put icing on the cake, and its been smooth sailing, er, streaming from there. Digital: Mac Mini/Roon Core/Optical Module->long run of fiber->EtherREGEN->SOtM UltraNeo->Schiit Gumby DAC. Shunyata Sigma Ethernet/Alpha USB Amplification: First Sound Presence Deluxe 4.0 preamp, LP70S amp Speakers: Harbeth 30.2/Power/Cables: Shunyata Everest 8000, Shunyata Sigma XC and NR, Alpha XC and NR, & Venom 14 Digital PCs, Alpha V2 ICs and SPs. Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted October 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Indydan said: It looks like you're on target for November 15th! Easily! We are actually ahead of schedule. No promises, but some units may ship a day or two early. Shipping everything all on one day is a bit of a pain anyway. Preparing, printing, signing, and folding two copies of a custom commercial invoice for every international shipment takes a lot of time. 90 units will go first to our dealers next Thursday, then we’ll start to prepare all the first-batch web orders for shipment. PYP, HumanMedia, jos and 6 others 2 7 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
willyhot Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I really look forward to seeing how much ER can improve my NAS library SQ for "buffered" streaming player like Aurender, but I am sure it will brighten up my Tidal streaming Link to comment
jos Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 5 hours ago, willyhot said: I really look forward to seeing how much ER can improve my NAS library SQ for "buffered" streaming player like Aurender, but I am sure it will brighten up my Tidal streaming MeToo, A few weeks back I was reading a review about a very expensive DCS clocking device, but I think with the EtherREGEN we don’t need expensive upstreams devices anymore. Link to comment
Bjorn of Sweden Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Hello everyone, as a new member to this forum I might as well introduce myself: I am a music lover and audiophile since more than 40 years and have been an audio professional in the high-end business since 30+ years. For the last 8 years I have focused on improving my music streaming since this is my primary source. Today my system include a Devialet D250 Expert Pro, a Naim UnitiCore music server and a Roon Nucleus - all connected with ethernet cables to a common switch. The streaming services I am using are mainly Qobus Studio and Tidal Hifi. I am also continuing the Sisyfos work of ripping all my cd's in the Naim unit...😅 For obvious reasons I find the EtherREGEN very interesting since all my sources pass the ethernet switch. Fortunately there are a distributor in Sweden so I have put myself on a waiting list for delivery of the unit in late December/early January. It would be interesting to receive your thought regarding which unit I should give priority regarding connection to the B-side of the EtherRegen - my spontaneous though is to connect the Devialet to the "best" port and the other units to the "A"-side - do you have any other idéas on how I should connect the system? Björn soares 1 Link to comment
octaviars Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 hour ago, jos said: A few weeks back I was reading a review about a very expensive DCS clocking device, but I think with the EtherREGEN we don’t need expensive upstreams devices anymore. A etherREGEN is not anything you can compare to a dCS, they make two wordklock products one for the Rossini line and one for the Vivaldi line. They put out 44.1/48kHz to syncronize dac, up-sampler and transport for example. The only thing a etherREGEN and the Vivaldi clock have in common is a 10MHz input for a reference clock something like the Mutec Ref 10. The dCS clock products dont have anything to do with ethernet. soares 1 Main system TAD D1000mk2, TAD M2500mk2, TAD CE-1, Ansuz Mainz 8 C2, Ansuz Darkz D-TC, Qobuz Studio -> Roon ROCK on NUC -> Uptone etherREGEN -> dCS Network Bridge -> AES/EBU -> DAC HD Plex 200W PSU (4 rail for ISP fiber, router, etherREGEN and NUC) Second system Qobuz Studio -> Devialet Silver Phantom, Devialet Tree Link to comment
jos Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 You could be right, but the Rossini master clock for instance is helping the Rossini DAC to better this DAC. The EtherREGEN is doing that too, so you can compare the outcomes, IMO, although devices are different. Link to comment
jcn3 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, jos said: You could be right, but the Rossini master clock for instance is helping the Rossini DAC to better this DAC. The EtherREGEN is doing that too, so you can compare the outcomes, IMO, although devices are different. not following you here -- the clock are doing completely different things. the etherregen clock is reclocking the ethernet data stream which unrelated to the reclocking of the music stream between player/endpoint and dac. (1) holo audio red (hqp naa) > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) simaudio moon mind 2 > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > monitor audio gold gx100 Link to comment
Superdad Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Bjorn of Sweden said: as a new member to this forum I might as well introduce myself: A big WELCOME to you Björn! Glad you have joined Audiophile Style. I think you will find it a friendly and informative place. 5 hours ago, Bjorn of Sweden said: For obvious reasons I find the EtherREGEN very interesting since all my sources pass the ethernet switch. Fortunately there are a distributor in Sweden so I have put myself on a waiting list for delivery of the unit in late December/early January. That's great, thanks! We think you will find Joel of Meta Wave to be quite helpful and professional. 5 hours ago, Bjorn of Sweden said: It would be interesting to receive your thought regarding which unit I should give priority regarding connection to the B-side of the EtherRegen - my spontaneous thought is to connect the Devialet to the "best" port and the other units to the "A"-side - do you have any other idéas on how I should connect the system? Your "spontaneous thought" () is correct! The main guideline we give for the EtherREGEN is to have the DAC-attached endpoint (computer/streamer/renderer or Ethernet DAC) connected alone on one side, which in most all cases will be to the 'B'-side port. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Here is the link to the EtherREGEN User Guide which we hope will make things clear for most people. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
magnuska Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Bjorn of Sweden said: Hello everyone, as a new member to this forum I might as well introduce myself: I am a music lover and audiophile since more than 40 years and have been an audio professional in the high-end business since 30+ years. For the last 8 years I have focused on improving my music streaming since this is my primary source. Today my system include a Devialet D250 Expert Pro, a Naim UnitiCore music server and a Roon Nucleus - all connected with ethernet cables to a common switch. The streaming services I am using are mainly Qobus Studio and Tidal Hifi. I am also continuing the Sisyfos work of ripping all my cd's in the Naim unit...😅 For obvious reasons I find the EtherREGEN very interesting since all my sources pass the ethernet switch. Fortunately there are a distributor in Sweden so I have put myself on a waiting list for delivery of the unit in late December/early January. It would be interesting to receive your thought regarding which unit I should give priority regarding connection to the B-side of the EtherRegen - my spontaneous though is to connect the Devialet to the "best" port and the other units to the "A"-side - do you have any other idéas on how I should connect the system? Björn Hej Björn and welcome to the forum! Without beeing certain I think you should connect the Roon player Nucleus to the "B" port. Is the Nucleus connected via USB to the Devialet? Hälsningar Magnus soares 1 Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amp with DAC, Sotm SMS-200 ultra/TX USB ultra, powered by an Uptone LPS-1 Audiostore Roonserver powered by a HD plex PS. ASUS router AC 68 powered by a Teddy pardo PS, Speakers are standmounts Klångedang T1 with external crossover , Rega Planar 3 Lejonklou Slipsik phonostage Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted November 1, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2019 A number of people wisely suggested that we include a Quick-Start card in addition to the User Guide. We most always embrace good ideas () so here is the insert: mikicasellas, soares, jos and 1 other 4 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Superdad Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, magnuska said: Without beeing certain I think you should connect the Roon player Nucleus to the "B" port. Is the Nucleus connected via USB to the Devialet? I was assuming that Björn was using the Ethernet input of his Devialet D250 Expert Pro. But you would be correct if he is instead using its USB input--running from the Nucleus. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
magnuska Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Superdad said: I was assuming that Björn was using the Ethernet input of his Devialet D250 Expert Pro. But you would be correct if he is instead using its USB input--running from the Nucleus. Hi Alex, Yes I was not sure about that either. We will see. Vinnie Rossi LIO integrated amp with DAC, Sotm SMS-200 ultra/TX USB ultra, powered by an Uptone LPS-1 Audiostore Roonserver powered by a HD plex PS. ASUS router AC 68 powered by a Teddy pardo PS, Speakers are standmounts Klångedang T1 with external crossover , Rega Planar 3 Lejonklou Slipsik phonostage Link to comment
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