buonassi Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 I believe it has user selectable crossfeed intensity. Canopener studio has lots of granularity and spectral delay modeling in their crossfeed that helps headphones sound less stuffy and 'in your head' Link to comment
Whitigir Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 12:47 AM, buonassi said: And that sounds coming from each speaker would still reach both ears. This doesn't happen with headphones. It would be a similar sound stage still, I'm betting. Never done it, have you? Tried it, eventhough the sound still reach both ears, but the localization of the sources aka Speakers placements are recognized by the brain. Similar to how you are walking away from the live performances that are 20 meters away. Your brain can tell. If someone can not tell, then that is personal. A close monitor will not out perform a properly full scale large speakers that can be placed 15-20 feet’s away either by the way the soundscape projections are going. crossfeed is just DSP either software or hardwares. A properly done headphones will still have the sound out of your head, but not at the level of the full scale speakers can do. There are strong points and weak points from both systems. The only debatable points here is the ways we human enjoy the music, which can induce deafness. I found that with my speakers, I usually enjoy very loud volumes when measured by IPhone apps, it is 95Db as normal. When I used headphone, it is about 80-85Db normal. With both of the instances, anything over 85Db will damage the hearing. However, with headphones, it is starting to be painful around 80+ but speakers ? Nope...more satisfying. my other friends who are into loud speakers, swear that speakers placements and room acoustic is another major things, who also argue that speakers even at louder listening level will not damage hearings as much as headphones due to it being so far away from the ears.... I just personally think that DB is DB, and as long as being exposed loud and Luong enough, we will have degraded our hearings. Therefore, I tried to limit my sessions everyday regardless of the systems. I do find myself preferring headphones more Link to comment
buonassi Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/16/2018 at 7:09 AM, Whitigir said: There are strong points and weak points from both systems. The only debatable points here is the ways we human enjoy the music, well said. Link to comment
STC Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/16/2018 at 8:09 PM, Whitigir said: I found that with my speakers, I usually enjoy very loud volumes when measured by IPhone apps, it is 95Db as normal. When I used headphone, it is about 80-85Db normal How did you measure the headphones SPL? ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Whitigir Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 3 hours ago, STC said: How did you measure the headphones SPL? Just have my iPhone microphones right in between the headphones STC 1 Link to comment
Popular Post audiobomber Posted October 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 9:04 AM, audiobomber said: No contest, speakers for me, since forever. I only use headphones when I have to; for portability, monitoring vinyl rips and silence when my wife is asleep. Since posting the above, I've purchased a bunch of headfi gear; beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro headphones and Sennheiser Momentum in-ears, Magni 3 headphone amp and yesterday I ordered a Schiit Asgard 2 amp. I have a couple of DAC's that I use with headphones; iFi Audio iOne and Korg DS-DAC-10R. I have a little Sabaj Da2 DAC that I use with my phone. I still enjoy my speaker-based system more, but I'm enjoying headphone listening immensely. Nordkapp, buonassi, pkane2001 and 1 other 2 2 Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
knopi Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Quality speaker all the way, it is completely different experience than headphone. Speakers sounds much real natural palpable which is the most important to me, it is airy easy without boundaries, visceral...As nice as some headphone sound (and to be little objective there are of course some advantages in sound) but overal sound is compromise in most cases, also ears can quite often quickly tired which is big problem, also noticeably more dangerous for ears in longer run. And current prices of top headphone is honestly funny. But I can give one big point to headphones, strangely I listened them more often in past almost every day. Speakers I use 1-2x for week when I have mood for it. buonassi 1 Link to comment
Jking Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I really like Stax electrostatic. Just picked up some Lambda Pros with a ED-1. Pretty seductive and sound amazing 30+ years later. Also run 007a with both amped by a Stax SRM600 LE. Would be hard to go back to speakers. Link to comment
TomLee Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 https://www.arkartech.net/blogs/blog/headphones-vs-speakers-what-is-the-difference It shows the difference between headphones and speakers buonassi 1 Link to comment
buonassi Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 @TomLee, welcome to AS! I'm still getting used to the name change. Link to comment
TomLee Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 8:58 AM, buonassi said: @TomLee, welcome to AS! I'm still getting used to the name change. hi,,buonassi, thank you! Link to comment
Taz777 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Speakers for daytime use in my computer room. Headphones for nighttime listening to avoid disturbing my neighbours. In terms of sound quality, headphones are way, way better. In terms of comfort and practicality, speakers win for me. Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 11/2/2018 at 6:23 AM, Jking said: Also run 007a with both amped by a Stax SRM600 LE. Would be hard to go back to speakers. Ah, this is a lovely combo, it can make one to forget about a regular 2.0. Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
diecaster Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 No headphone/amp can make me forget about speakers.... semente 1 Link to comment
semente Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 9:10 PM, diecaster said: No headphone/amp can make me forget about speakers.... +1 "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 10:10 PM, diecaster said: No headphone/amp can make me forget about speakers.... For a short while at least... 😎 Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
Popular Post diecaster Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, AMR/iFi audio said: For a short while at least... 😎 I have no idea what that means.... But no headphone/headphone amp combo ever sounds as good as a proper speaker setup. I use headphones ONLY when I have to be quiet....and never because I want to use them. marce and STC 2 Link to comment
Popular Post AMR/iFi audio Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 hours ago, diecaster said: I have no idea what that means.... There are headphones on the market which sound great enough to just listen to them for a loooong time. We're not saying that headphones are any better than regular stereo setups but rather find both equally useful and enjoyable. Teresa, Nordkapp and audiobomber 1 2 Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
diecaster Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, AMR/iFi audio said: There are headphones on the market which sound great enough to just listen to them for a loooong time. We're not saying that headphones are any better than regular stereo setups but rather find both equally useful and enjoyable. We get to agree to disagree..... AMR/iFi audio 1 Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 22 hours ago, diecaster said: We get to agree to disagree..... Which is perfectly fine! Cheers! Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
buonassi Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 hey @AMR/iFi audio - I'm surprised you haven't posted about the crossfeed capabilities of your guys' PRO amps and how that can sorta bridge the gap between 2ch and head-fi. Maybe this is a way for a 2ch person to 'dip his toe' so to speak. But I have been curious about the ican pro and how the 3D setting works. Personally, I use Canopener Studio AU plugin every now and then for spectral delay modeling. it's one of the only crossfeed methods I can tolerate because all processing is done in 32 bit float (minimum). All the quality seems to be preserved. It reduces fatigue by centering the bass more, yet because of the slight delay in the HFs actually pulls the instruments further out at the same time! When you post are you the same person, or do you guys at iFi take turns on this login? It would be great to get to know the person behind the trade account and inquire about preferences. IE, how do you listen? tell us about your personal chain if you're so inclined? Link to comment
Popular Post STC Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 It is incredible how quickly we have evolved to accept what is not natural as natural. Although there are many pros for using headphones, it is not natural as how humans perceive sound. I still remember my first reaction when I listened to the hp for the first time. The voice was inside my head, but after so many years I never perceived the internalization effect unless I consciously attempted to localize the sound. Natural hearing involves HRTF, ti.e., a sound source must have time and level difference between the two ears. Headphones can reproduce the information accurately which produces the bigger soundstage and details. These micro details cannot be heard over loudspeakers due to the doubling of phantom images. This is often the reason why you hear more details with headphones compared to loudspeakers. However, one crucial factor is missing in headphones listening is where the direction finding role of the pinna is no longer at work. The good thing is we adapt quickly and it will not bother us after getting used headphones listening. Here is a video of the reaction listening to the headphones for the first time. It will take a while for the confusion to settle before the baby could enjoy the music. Watch the baby's eyes. There are other videos of babies first reaction to headphones. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1162773/Babys-Rush-Babys-stunned-reaction-hearing-rock-music.html semente, aurum, Whitigir and 1 other 3 1 ST My Ambiophonics System with Virtual Concert Hall Ambience Link to comment
Popular Post AMR/iFi audio Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 20 hours ago, buonassi said: But I have been curious about the ican pro and how the 3D setting works. Here you'll finde some tech background on what we did: https://ifi-audio.com/tech-notes/ 20 hours ago, buonassi said: When you post are you the same person, or do you guys at iFi take turns on this login? It would be great to get to know the person behind the trade account and inquire about preferences. IE, how do you listen? tell us about your personal chain if you're so inclined? One person, the very same for some three years or so. At the office we have full AMR stack (two pairs of AMR LS-77 monitors) so that's constantly on and when I'm at home, I use Pro iDSD with Final D8000 planars or Hifimans HE1000v2 if either of these is available. We use them at various shows. That's pretty much it. Oh and at the office we have heavily modded vintage Garrard 301 which I adore. christopher3393 and buonassi 1 1 Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
Whitigir Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I never realized that IFI adore modifications. Does that mean you guys are becoming more friendly to DIY modifications on your products too ? An honest question Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 3:14 PM, Whitigir said: I never realized that IFI adore modifications. Does that mean you guys are becoming more friendly to DIY modifications on your products too ? An honest question We never said no to mods to begin with. If one has skills and knows what he/she's doing, then by all means mod away. In some of our items we enable this via tube rolling or usage of external clocks. Whitigir 1 Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
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