Ron Scubadiver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, miguelito said: Ok, so do you suggest not discussing them at all? You are trying to bully me. Link to comment
Priaptor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ron Scubadiver said: You are free to spend $24k on a DAC. I easily spend more than that each year on things you would consider to be frivolous. Not too many of us can discuss the merits of a product we don't have access to. What people spend their money on is their business and none of mine so I would never consider what you or anyone else spend to be “frivolous”. I truly could care less. As Miguelito appropriately stated so what do you want to discuss about the reviewed DAC? Only the price? Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ron Scubadiver said: You are trying to bully me. No! I am asking what it is that you're saying. Can you clarify? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Priaptor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, miguelito said: No! I am asking what it is that you're saying. Can you clarify? I’m not sure what he is after. If he never heard one, can’t afford or doesn’t want to buy one then why bother commenting in this thread. miguelito 1 Link to comment
Ron Scubadiver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I have a dim view of products this expensive where the only possible difference with far less expensive products is the elusive and completely subjective pursuit of sound quality. High end audio has become a carnival of many small manufacturers selling tiny quantities of very expensive items. My gripe is not with this product alone, but with the entire high end scene. Remember the $3,000 amp which got great reviews and turned out to be made from $150 worth of components? mansr 1 Link to comment
Ron Scubadiver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Priaptor said: I’m not sure what he is after. If he never heard one, can’t afford or doesn’t want to buy one then why bother commenting in this thread. You are trying to bully me. Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Ron Scubadiver said: You are trying to bully me. No. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ron Scubadiver said: I have a dim view of products this expensive where the only possible difference with far less expensive products is the elusive and completely subjective pursuit of sound quality. High end audio has become a carnival of many small manufacturers selling tiny quantities of very expensive items. My gripe is not with this product alone, but with the entire high end scene. Remember the $3,000 amp which got great reviews and turned out to be made from $150 worth of components? So? Not everything is like that. This thread is about the product reviewed and related things. This thread is not about your argument. Hence you're completely off topic, and frankly it is you who is bullying people here. If you wish to start a thread on your comment above, please feel free to do so! PeterG 1 NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Ron Scubadiver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, miguelito said: This thread is not about your argument. Hence you're completely off topic, and frankly it is you who is bullying people here. Do you make the rules here? You asked for clarification. You got it. Now don't tell me I am off topic because you opened the discussion. Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ron Scubadiver said: Do you make the rules here? You asked for clarification. You got it. Now don't tell me I am off topic because you opened the discussion. Actually there are such rules here! Stop trolling and bullying! NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Priaptor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, Ron Scubadiver said: You are trying to bully me. Well since I grew up in Brooklyn 50s-70s when Brooklyn wasn’t what it is today, I consider myself fairly “streetwise” and must assume you are here to play games, bust balls and get your rocks off because you can’t be serious with your comments. wdw 1 Link to comment
Ron Scubadiver Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Priaptor said: Well since I grew up in Brooklyn 50s-70s when Brooklyn wasn’t what it is today, I consider myself fairly “streetwise” and must assume you are here to play games, bust balls and get your rocks off because you can’t be serious with your comments. You are clueless. Link to comment
Keith_W Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Man, I take a 6 month break from CA and I come back and it's still the same. Well, i'm off again. Chris, you should really consider cleaning this place up. Appoint a few more moderators, and give these guys (it's always the same guys) a big kick up the arse. Hopefully if I come back it will be better. Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Well I spend around 10K a year on wine. Wine makes my $400. iFI DAC sound. great. And I don’t have to screw with 6, count them, 6 filter settings. By the way, last time I heard a full dCS stack it did not sound very good. Horrible room, just goes to show, the room rules! In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
wdw Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, Keith_W said: Man, I take a 6 month break from CA and I come back and it's still the same. Well, i'm off again. Chris, you should really consider cleaning this place up. Appoint a few more moderators, and give these guys (it's always the same guys) a big kick up the arse. Hopefully if I come back it will be better. Is a mystery why a review about a new DAC brought out this stuff. First the endless posts about a speaker with a topology from 1950’s then this aggression about cost.....sheesh! not sure what Chris could do without a heavy hand which may cause more ill will than order. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post joelha Posted March 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, wdw said: Is a mystery why a review about a new DAC brought out this stuff. First the endless posts about a speaker with a topology from 1950’s then this aggression about cost.....sheesh! not sure what Chris could do without a heavy hand which may cause more ill will than order. How about ignore the folks who have this fixation on what others spend or how others price their audio equipment? Their unhappiness/discontent/frustration is their own reward. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to enjoy my system. Joel The Computer Audiophile and miguelito 1 1 Link to comment
Solstice380 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Ron Scubadiver said: You are trying to bully me. You cant bully a bully. Very obstinate, to say the least. https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/21384-solstice380/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
Ron Scubadiver Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Solstice380 said: You cant bully a bully. Very obstinate, to say the least. You are reading stuff that you don't want to see. That doesn't make me a bully. A bully makes personal attacks. All I have is an opinion different from the big spenders. You are making a personal attack too. Link to comment
gomle69 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Great review. How well does it work with UPnP/DLNA? Do you get gapless playback? Is the native app any good? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 hours ago, joelha said: How about ignore the folks who have this fixation on what others spend or how others price their audio equipment? Their unhappiness/discontent/frustration is their own reward. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to enjoy my system. Joel Hi Joel - Hope all is well in your life since we last talked. Do you have the version of The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan I used in the review? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, gomle69 said: Great review. How well does it work with UPnP/DLNA? Do you get gapless playback? Is the native app any good? Great questions. I really should have put it through my usual torture test of UPnP/DLNA, but I used Roon 99.99% of the time. I will do this and follow up. I feel like I really missed the boat on this one and owe it to the CA Community. The native app is far better than it used to be, but not close to Roon or JRemote level. For some people is will be exactly what they want because it's simple. More to come. gomle69 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
miguelito Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I really should have put it through my usual torture test of UPnP/DLNA, but I used Roon 99.99% of the time. I will do this and follow up. I feel like I really missed the boat on this one and owe it to the CA Community. Suggest some people might be interested in your review of Audirvana's over UPnP to Rossini. It shows up on the A+ list but I never tried it. The Computer Audiophile 1 NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
PeterG Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 13 hours ago, wdw said: Is a mystery why a review about a new DAC brought out this stuff. First the endless posts about a speaker with a topology from 1950’s then this aggression about cost.....sheesh! not sure what Chris could do without a heavy hand which may cause more ill will than order. I do not know enough to have an opinion on Amir's critique of the TADs, but I thought his posts were relevant and interesting--if the reference system is flawed, can the review be valid? Is any single reference system sufficient? I agree that posts that are a critique of the very existence of the thread are counterproductive and should not be entertained. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, miguelito said: Suggest some people might be interested in your review of Audirvana's over UPnP to Rossini. It shows up on the A+ list but I never tried it. Indeed it does appear in A+ Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Priaptor Posted March 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, PeterG said: I do not know enough to have an opinion on Amir's critique of the TADs, but I thought his posts were relevant and interesting--if the reference system is flawed, can the review be valid? Is any single reference system sufficient? I agree that posts that are a critique of the very existence of the thread are counterproductive and should not be entertained. But Peter, his comments were using an assumption that just aren't true. The TADs CR1 are wonderful speakers, so good that they have stood the test of time and unlike the Magico and Wilson merry go round, haven't had to be upgraded every other month. His preamp and amp are also top notch. It is not as though he is testing the Rossini in a sub-optimal system where he can't extract all that the Rossini has to offer. I can't speak for his setup including his room. The TADs are on my shortlist if I were to move to smaller place as they are remarkable. I owned early Constellation amps with Magico Q1 and while I didn't like the Constellation (or Magico), the newer stuff is totally different in the same league as the Soulutions and CH stuff. And while I didn't like it because it didn't do the things I like in a system, it doesn't mean I couldn't appreciate the merits. I think it would be worth it for you guys at a show to go listen to dCS. They make remarkable equipment and have been one of the pioneers in digital not just for the end-user but also in the professional world. People can have their preferences and I sure have mine, but to dismiss the Rossini and all dCS as Amir did with the assumption that Chris's system can't reveal the "deficiencies" in the dCS is to me, absurd. Again, I can understand WHY someone may prefer a different DAC, whether it be more or less expensive than the Rossini but to dismiss outright, in my opinion, is nuts. It's a great piece. I think one can have preferences but still recognize something that sounds great, whether they can afford it or not and/or whether its meets their goals or not miguelito, Vincent1234, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
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