Bricasti M1 > M5 > M12: Network Player - Member REVIEW - w/OEM Response from Brian Zolner President Bricasti

[fsmithjack]

Bricasti M1 > M5 > M12: Network Player - Member REVIEW w/OEM Response from Brian Zolner President/Owner Bricasti below s

Hey Guys - I have been going back and forth between what to go with for a Ethernet Network Media Player - either Innuos, SOtM, Sonore, Uptone, Bricasti M1 Network Player or M5, etc.

 

I have a thread dedicated to working toward this decision and got some fantastic help from many CA members. I learned so much and in such a short time.

 

This forum is Fantastic - so many people are so helpful and I appreciate it very much. I am including the link below to anyone interested in that very educational journey. Great stuff if you are interested in Innuos, SOtM, Sonore, Uptone, Bricasti Network Player or M5

 

I purchased a bunch of these product to try and learn for myself to be sure. I did not want to question my decision with any what if's and wanted the best sounding option for me and my system.

 

I ended up going with the Network Player Option installed in my Bricasti M1SE DAC and I wrote this feedback to one of the best people in all of Hi-End Audio, Brian Zolner President/Owner/Designer Bricasti Design. 

 

His digital and analogue products sound absolutely fantastic and the build quality is second to none and the support is as good as it is anywhere. All made by hand right here in good old Massachusetts, USA. 

 

I asked Brian if it would be OK if I share my thoughts with the super helpful crew - the CA members that were so important in helping me get to this decision. He said no problem  

 

I also asked if he wanted to respond and comment and he provided some great insight below my feedback on his thoughts on the M1, M12, M5 network players and USB audio. I am glad to be able to share this with you guys. I will send Brian this link and I am sure if any of you have any questions or feedback or thought that would be fantastic. We will get you all the info you need. This is some seriously good sounding gear and its a lot less money than the Aurender and Lumin and it blows their doors off! 

 

Also, I would love some idea's and feedback and any idea's really now that I am all in with Ethernet audio what is my next step?

 

One member told me to buy The Linear Solution OCXO Audiophile Switch. (link at bottom of the page). This is supposed to provide a great bump in SQ and it is $679 and comes with a dedicated purpose built Linear Power Supply. Please share you thoughts on this or any other upgrade that can help me get the most out of my Bricasti M1SE Ethernet Network Media Player.

 

 

 

  

Subject: Re: Feedback Send to Brian Zolner and Joe at Bricasti 

 

Hey Brian and Joe,

 

I wanted to reach out and thank you both for the very kind and outstanding service installing the Bricasti M1SE Ethernet Network Player option in my M1SE DAC. 

 

Guys, it is absolutely fantastic! It needed about 40 to 60 hours of burn-in to get to where it was going and honestly the upgrade over that time was substantial. I get that some people don't believe in burn-in and others like me clearly hear it but I am just telling you guys this Bricasti M1SE Ethernet Network Player option is absolutely fantastic.

 

At first I was strongly considering the M5 just because I already own all of the premium - supporting USB Gear and thought it might be great and I am sure it is but honestly guys in all fairness I didn't think the Bricasti M1SE Ethernet Network Player option would end up being this good? Man is it good!

 

I thought it would be good and/or even great but it surpassed even those expectations and that's not an easy thing to do. I am looking for an awful lot out of my gar and I had some premium gear it needed to stand up against. I can speak from first hand experience about this Network Player option and how it compared to all the similar other gear listed below. All my thoughts are in comparison to the gear listed below. I was able to do a/b verse some really good Ethernet / USB options that are some of the hottest, best selling products going and I assumed from an a/b it would be close and/or maybe I couldn't even tell the difference but this is where my non-audiophile wifey serves as a sort of blind test. Yes her ear has evolved but she is not an audiophile.     

 

What the Bricasti Network Player option does that is so much better than everything else is actually something you never even knew was missing until you hear it and then remove it. It jumps off the page during A/B's. Sometimes A/B's can be tough but here it stands out as clear as day it was simple. 

 

To test myself I asked my wifey for her help and what she thinks. I set up the Sonore/Uptone Combo and then the SOtM/Uptone power supply combo and the Bricasti Network Player and mixed them up and she picked it out each time. She actually picked out the SOtM over Sonore also so maybe her ear is getting better than I think but she heard it and picked it out clearly and simply so that reinforced what I already knew but wanted to check it. 

 

Bricasti Network Player is so much more direct and decisive. It's immediacy and directness just can't be missed. I was like "yes, yes, oh man yes"! "Thats what I am talking about" and you know what - those are far and few between these days so when it happens you REALLY appreciate it. Thank you 

 

It not like it is a little warmer and a little clearer or it widens or deepens the stage or something like that which by the way it does all these things but that's not my point. 

It is immediate, decisive and startlingly quick. Its got jump and you are just much closer to the event. It was a combo of heightened transparency with just layers removed and more information magnified and exposed in all its greatness.

 

Also, I want to make sure to note that I am not talking about being more upfront either because it offered a deeper stage and the voices are actually pushed further back which normally I don't prefer. I actually like that dynamic and sort of upfront sound as a rule but that is not what this is. This does it totally different! It does it the only fashioned way. It earns it. This is no designers voicing choice, this is simply a much more robust and substantial component. It performs at a much higher level and it is shows on so many levels. 

 

Vastly better separation and delineation in that more direct package. The stage opens and the walls expand and out comes a richer and more layered and more natural presentation. Man that separation is just fantastic! I just can't get over that open space it puts around everything and the air and the extension go on and on. It's just that every item is so sharp and precise and magnified in 3D space. Everything is tighter and wider and deeper and it all just holds together so well and is so confident and that heightened image precision is such an enjoyable effect. I don't want to touch anything - this the best sound I've ever had and I'm ecstatic! Better than analogue IMO. I am sure there are some uber turntables that will out do it but pound for pound I doubt it IMO.

 

I was impressed at this much closer to the event effect. It's kind of hard to articulate but I think this might shed a little more light. 

 

Sort of that same effect you get when you have a great DAC or CD player and then you remove the preamp. The only thing with removing a great preamp is you gain that great immediate directness but then lose all that greatness that a great preamps provides but that increased directness is such a desirable effect so many people do it. I did it but then you get a great preamp and you say man I love the directness but I am giving up so much to get it. Some big time trade off's and many go back and forth. I know I did for a while.

 

So this new Network Player upgrade was like keeping your amazing preamp and all the great benefits the pre provides while still getting that great directness a preless set up gives you. Best of both worlds!

 

How often do you get to have your cake and eat it too? 

 

Well that is what happened here IMO with this so I think you can see why I am so happy about it and hope this does a little better job of explaining the main effect of this Ethernet Network Player option I added to my system.  

 

This preless type directness while keeping all the greatness of a preamp is worth the price of admission all by itself but there is more.

 

All that directness has a great effect on the bass which is tighter, cleaner and more nuanced with much better separation. There isn't any more slam or power. It is not rounder or warmer which some may prefer but it is different. It is more nimble and lighter on its toes with more precision and definition. I don't think its any less powerful but it's different sort of like my Magico speakers are. People think or feel with Magico's sealed Aluminum cabinets there is less bass when in actuality there isn't any less but it is faster and more defined but some interrupt this as less bass but I don't agree  but also each to their own. I find it to be a nice improvement and upgrade but I can see someone that likes to listen to a lot pop or rap music they may refer a thicker or rounder sound but everyone else will love this IMO. I will take quality and precision over quantity every time but that's just me and everyone is different.    

 

I want take a moment to thank you and your company again for your approach to supporting the folks that purchase your gear. Premium Hi-End Audiophile gear is quite expensive and so many of the top Hi-Fi companies come out with a new model every few years and that kills us. We need to sell our old one to get the new one and that makes expensive gear insanely expensive to own. Many people like me want the most recent and best gear they can afford. You guys make this possible and care more about your customers than any of the other OEM's and we appreciate it very much!

 

You guys are totally different from the Vast Majority of high ends OEM's.  

 

Also, this feedback was not made in a vacuum. Here are the items I had in my system that I did an A/B with that allowed me great insight into how your Ethernet Network Player option worked verse the others. Some of these I only owned a for a short while because I knew there was no contest. Most have either been sold or are in process of being sold on Audiogon because your Network Player made them obsolete. I am keeping the JS-2 and P10 for my new system set up. 

 

Tellurium Q Black Diamond USB Cable

Curious Regenlink USB Cables

(2) Uptone Audio USPCB Connectors

Uptown Audio ISO Regen USB 

Uptown Audio LPS-1 UltraCap Power Supply
Uptown Audio LPS-1 UltraCap Power Supply

Breeze Audio 12v Linear Power Supplies 

Breeze Audio 12v Linear Power Supplies 

Uptown Audio Amber Regen USB

Uptown Audio JS-2 Linear Power Supply 

Sonore mircoRendu 2.5 Ethernet / USB Player 

Ghent customer DC power Cables

PS Audio P10 Regenerator

SOtM tX-USBultra w/50 ohm connector

SOtM sms-200 Ultra w/50 ohm connector

 

I honestly thought in my heart of hearts USB might be the way to go just because it has come so far in not that long of a time. Sonore, SOtM and Uptone Audio in my opinion changed the world in regards to the USB landscape and in a huge way. There are a few others as well. They brought, real world price upgrades to USB that made semi-inexpensive gear better than super expensive legacy products from just a few years back (CD and SACD Players) and this changed the game.

 

Now it appears you have changed the game on the Ethernet side. I call tell anyone out there that doesn't own a Bricasti M1 is to buy the M5. I am not sure how the M5 sounds because I have not heard it but if it sounds anything like the M1 Ethernet Network Player then there is nothing that can touch it. 

 

Great job and thank you guys. With your permission I would like to share this personal email on my forum post and if you are ok with it any of your responses as well. People are waiting to hear my thoughts so I thought I could email you and inform them at the same time.

 

Thanks

Frank

Fsmithjack 

 

 

           Subject: Re: Response / Feedback from Brian Zolner Bricasti President/Owner/Designer to Frank Smith / Fsmithjack

Frank,

 

Thanks for all that commentary, and well guess only thing I can say or add is once we got the LAN working in the M12, and then the M1 ( it’s the same streamer used in all products)  I never went back to USB, clearly better even just connecting with 50’ cat5 from my server to the M1.  We do all shows with the LAN and try to convince users this is the way.  I feel that regardless of the cables and power supplies and clockers etc for USB that seem to make some differences,  one might say they create differences and subjective to if its better or not, but I feel USB is fundamentally flawed and when the player or renderer is installed directly in the M1 it eliminates all the issues of USB, it removes it from the computer,  and places it in the M1.  We made our own player, running on a linux core on an ARM processor, runs off the linear supply in the M1 too.  so no extra processors running as with a PC where the computer is doing all kinds of other co processing, switch mode power regulation on the PC mother board etc.  But in the end of all that stuff, this approach eliminates it.

 

For the sound of USB, People are fooled by things and as you point out someone might like the effect of the USB, but I think what we get with the streamer is true sound reproduction with no jitter and noise added to make the sound dance a bit, I hear it clearly on my Tidals, and our M28s, no loss of bass at all for me, but tight clear and excellent extension, no bloating.

 

The M5 was made so that a user could run off the network or PC without using USB, I feel the AES is the best as removes these issues.   But installed in the M1 or M12 is the best, direct I2S to the DSP and then to the DAC.  The M5 with AES is darn close to what you have, I have done a lot of listening and that was the idea of that product to offer great playback and no USB for anyone and any DAC.

 

Enjoy it, I know it changed my life,  my server PC is in another part of the house and I run it all from Jremote, there is just no other way to play, besides the sound there is the convenience  factor and I play tracks from my phone or stream from it to the M1, or the server, or the NAS or any PC in my home,  all the computer stuff goes in another room away from the listening room.  It’s a network and that is what starts becoming interesting and you don’t get that with USB or any other point to point interface.

 

Go ahead and share the story, its what we hope others will find out too.

 

Brian

 

 

 

           Subject: Re: Response / Feedback from Joe at Bricasti to Frank Smith / Fsmithjack

Hi Frank, thank  you for great write-up! Enjoy your M1, if you ever need anything just let me know.

Thank you again,

joe

 

 

 

http://www.bricasti.com/en/consumer/m1se.php

 

http://thelinearsolution.com/ocxo_switch.html

 

 

[Ran]

As an owner of a M5 I can tell that Bricasti's customer service is second to none. Awesome products!

[LTG2010]

That looks pretty good, it seems that part of the solution was already  at your doorstep in the form of the Bricasti. I like the dual mono configuration and seperate linear power supplies for each output channel. Are you using a bridged connection to the network player? Since you have 2 ethernet outputs on your pc you might want to try that.

The details are in the thread ''A Novel way to.....'' see the index in first post.

[fsmithjack]

11 minutes ago, LTG2010 said:

That looks pretty good, it seems that part of the solution was already  at your doorstep in the form of the Bricasti. I like the dual mono configuration and seperate linear power supplies for each output channel. Are you using a bridged connection to the network player? Since you have 2 ethernet outputs on your pc you might want to try that.

The details are in the thread ''A Novel way to.....'' see the index in first post.

 

That is a good idea - I currently use NetGear GS108 Ethernet switch powered by Uptone JS-2 Power supply and I like it when I added it but i use the JS-2 to power both the pc and the switch, I should try direct from pc - that is a good idea. 

 

What do you think of this for $679.00? They claim it is the best switch on the market and have a huge upgrade on sound and it has the OCXO clock on there.

 

http://thelinearsolution.com/ocxo_switch.html

 

OCXO AUDIOPHILE SWITCH and LINEAR POWER SUPPLY

 

PROPERLY DESIGN CIRCUIT 
Our Engineer study the switch and design the linear circuit that best provide ultra-low noise power to feed the switch and oscillator module. 

 

DUAL RAIL PARALLEL OUTPUT DESIGN 
Not usually seen in regular linear supply, it requires additional cost and design in mind. However, this sure to provide constant feed as needed in sudden voltage drop or unstable power environment 

 

HARD CRAFTED RECTIFIERS DIODE AND SUPER-FAST DIODE 
Which work hand in hand with AC-DC conversion system to provide stable working environment. 

 

LINEAR POWER SUPPLY - Specifications
- AC 120V, 60Hz 
- 12V Ouput 
- Oyaide DC connectors
- Furutech IEC

 

ULTRA HIGH PRECISION OCXO 
The unit core features an (Oven Controlled Crystal Oscillator) OCXO. This OCXO was designed for high audio quality in mind to provide extreme precision frequency (+-10ppb) and reduces phase noise. 

 

24K GOLD CIRCUIT TRACE 
The 24K circuit trace on our PCB is needed to match our power supply which able to provide extra stability for the oscillator module. 

 

ULTRA STABLE REGULATOR DESIGN 
With our new design, we are able to achieve the measure we needed for the oscillator. 

 

ZERO GROUND CIRCUITRY 
It continuously drives the ground signal and greatly reduces noise (jitter) caused by unstable volts. 

 

OCXO CIRCUIT - Specifications 
- Military Spec OCXO 
- 4oz Copper PCB +/- 10ppb 
- Ultralow Jitter <1ps RMS 
- 12V DC input 2.1mm x 5.5mm

 

[fsmithjack]

These switches will start shipping the end of next week? Has anyone bought from this company? Are they legit?

Thanks 

[LTG2010]

8 minutes ago, fsmithjack said:

What do you think of this for $679.00? They claim it is the best switch on the market and have a huge upgrade on sound and it has the OCXO clock on there.

It seems to be so according to those that have one of the earlier ones.Uptone audio are going to release one soon might be worth looking into that. If your playing a lot of files directly from storage on your pc/ hard disc then a bridge is a good idea linking your pc directly to your network player, this will boost sound quality. The upgraded switch will also be of benefit, especially if internet streaming, tidal etc.

[fsmithjack]

Any idea how I can stream tidal? I have a active Tidal account but that was with microRendu. Any idea how I can do it with windows 10 pc with jriver and my Bricasti network player? I have not figured that out yet? Thanks 

[Ran]

I use BubbleUPnP to stream Tidal and Qobuz to the M5. Not a fan of desktop / laptops computers.

[rickca]

56 minutes ago, fsmithjack said:

Any idea how I can stream tidal? I have a active Tidal account but that was with microRendu. Any idea how I can do it with windows 10 pc with jriver and my Bricasti network player? I have not figured that out yet? Thanks 

How did you stream TIDAL with the microRendu?  Did you use DLNA/MPD with BubbleUPnP or Lumin as controller?  Can't you do exactly the same thing with the Bricasti?  Sorry I don't know anything about JRMC.

[Ran]

Should be the same way.

[audio.bill]

1 hour ago, fsmithjack said:

Any idea how I can stream tidal? I have a active Tidal account but that was with microRendu. Any idea how I can do it with windows 10 pc with jriver and my Bricasti network player? I have not figured that out yet? Thanks 

JRiver doesn't support Tidal, so you'd have to use another method of serving Tidal to the Bricasti like possibly with the Tidal desktop app.

[firedog]

I think you can also do it with LMS and the Tidal plugin for LMS. Can't Roon and Jriver act as endpoints for LMS? Sorry for the bother if I'm incorrect. 

[KingRex]

I have been talking to Adrian with THELINEARSOLUTION.  Very nice guy.  It is a real thing.  I am going to have a demo switch here in a week or two.  Im busy with work.  I use a Mojo Audio server. Most of my favorite music is from the internal drive. I do stream Tidal.  Not near the sonics through my Netgear switch.  Adrian says his switch with its clock and PS should surpass sonics from my internal ssd. We will see.  I bet it will equal as my ssd has its own PS. But you never know.  The clock is the same one used in Esoteric and DCS. 

[fsmithjack]

Awesome - thanks. I’m ordering my switch from him also. Thanks for the info. It’s nice when you have not done business to Speak to someone who has. 

[fsmithjack]

7 hours ago, firedog said:

I think you can also do it with LMS and the Tidal plugin for LMS. Can't Roon and Jriver act as endpoints for LMS? Sorry for the bother if I'm incorrect. 

Firedog - thanks

 

this is probably a dumb question but I really want to get my Tidal account going. What is LMS? I would love some help to get Tidal up and running. Thanks 

 

pc windows 10 

jriver mc23

jremote

Bricasti Network Player 

 

not sure how to get Tidal with my set up? Thanks 

[firedog]

8 minutes ago, fsmithjack said:

Firedog - thanks

 

this is probably a dumb question but I really want to get my Tidal account going. What is LMS? I would love some help to get Tidal up and running. Thanks 

 

pc windows 10 

jriver mc23

jremote

Bricasti Network Player 

 

not sure how to get Tidal with my set up? Thanks 

Logitech Media Server (formerly known as Squeezebox Server). AFAIK, both Roon and JRiver can "see" LMS.  Ask Bricasti if you have LMS installed  on your server if it will be seen by the network player. 

If the answer is yes you'd use LMS and it's Tidal Plugin. 

 

Or just ask Bricasti if there is a way to use a Tidal stream to your card. I'm sure they know.

[zackthedog]

I could be wrong, but I think you can do it this way:

 

Install Java 8 and BubbleUPnP server on your PC.  Open the BubbleUPnP web page to configure (be sure you tell the installer to place the link on your desktop).  Go to the "Renderers" tab and designate the Bricasti as an OpenHome renderer.  Save and restart BubbleUPnP server.  You should then be able to use Lynn Kazoo for Windows to log in to your Tidal account and play through the Bricasti.

 

If the Bricasti works with JRiver and Audrivana, this should work as well.  You shouldn't have to install anything extra on the Bricasti.  Won't cost anything to try. ;-)

[Ran]

Although not mentioned in the specs, but the M5 does support the OpenHome protocol.

[fsmithjack]

1 hour ago, zackthedog said:

I could be wrong, but I think you can do it this way:

 

Install Java 8 and BubbleUPnP server on your PC.  Open the BubbleUPnP web page to configure (be sure you tell the installer to place the link on your desktop).  Go to the "Renderers" tab and designate the Bricasti as an OpenHome renderer.  Save and restart BubbleUPnP server.  You should then be able to use Lynn Kazoo for Windows to log in to your Tidal account and play through the Bricasti.

 

If the Bricasti works with JRiver and Audrivana, this should work as well.  You shouldn't have to install anything extra on the Bricasti.  Won't cost anything to try. ;-)

 

This great and not something I ever would have figured out on my own. I be trying this soon. Thanks so much for this great info!

[zackthedog]

1 hour ago, fsmithjack said:

 

This great and not something I ever would have figured out on my own. I be trying this soon. Thanks so much for this great info!

 

Let us know if it works. :-)  I think it's the easiest way to do what you want.

[zackthedog]

2 hours ago, Ran said:

Although not mentioned in the specs, but the M5 does support the OpenHome protocol.

 

Good, then this should be a pretty easy solution.  Thanks, Ralf.

[fsmithjack]

2 hours ago, zackthedog said:

 

Let us know if it works. :-)  I think it's the easiest way to do what you want.

I sure will. Thx again 

[fsmithjack]

On 2/24/2018 at 7:23 PM, fsmithjack said:

 

This great and not something I ever would have figured out on my own. I be trying this soon. Thanks so much for this great info!

I am getting ready to try this and just downloaded java 8. Will this work via my iphone/ipad? I have nothing android so just wanted to ask this first. Thanks 

[zackthedog]

18 minutes ago, fsmithjack said:

I am getting ready to try this and just downloaded java 8. Will this work via my iphone/ipad? I have nothing android so just wanted to ask this first. Thanks 

 

Lynn Kazoo is available for iOS and that will work for remote control.

[barrows]

I love Bricasti products and have nothing against them.  Just wanted to emphasize though that the Sonore product in comparison here is our entry level one, the microRendu, both the ultraRendu and the Signature Rendu SE outperform the microRendu by a considerable level.  These products are: good (microRendu), better (ultraRendu), best (Signature Rendu SE).