The Brinkman Ship MQA Listening Results

[kumakuma]

3 minutes ago, Dr Tone said:

 

Considering Chris already mentioned Brinkman Ship is using a VPN to hide his location.  A little back story to cover things up and then boom, full on MQA hate.

 

I think history can repeat itself...

 

 

The timeline works. Fair Hedon was banned on 1/26 and Brinkman Ship joined on 1/28. 

[NOMBEDES]

I do not remember why F. Hedon was banned*.  But I thought he was in the UK.  Mr. Ship appears to be in New York City.

 

* why was he banned?

[kumakuma]

1 minute ago, NOMBEDES said:

I do not remember why F. Hedon was banned*.  But I thought he was in the UK.  Mr. Ship appears to be in New York City.

 

* why was he banned?

 

Here is the thread where Chris banned him:

 

 

[GUTB]

2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

The term "flat earther" is also used by the "believers" to vilify people who prefer science over feels.

 

This analogy doesn’t work because no one says they’ve seen the edge of the flat earth.

[NOMBEDES]

8 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Here is the thread where Chris banned him:

 

 

 

 

Right.  Got it.  I remember now.  Thanks.

[Spacehound]

 

He's in a lose-lose situation. Sink or swim, he's had it  

 

 

 

[Ralf11]

10 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

This analogy doesn’t work because no one says they’ve seen the edge of the flat earth.

 

I have seen it.

 

And it was deconvoluted.

[Ajax]

3 hours ago, Spacehound said:

We in the UK must be somewhat backward. l suspect less than 1 in a  1000 would know what a DAC is, let alone a 'music' one.

 

Similar odds here in Aus, maybe less, certainly none of my friends have ever heard of one. Worst still I've yet to find anyone serving inside an Apple retail store, supposedly technically savvy people, who know what a DAC is. 

 

We are very much a niche hobby, one of the reasons why the majority of people don't care about hi res and compression and hi res, they simply don't know about it.

 

[Samuel T Cogley]

1 hour ago, Dr Tone said:

 

Considering Chris already mentioned Brinkman Ship is using a VPN to hide his location.  A little back story to cover things up and then boom, full on MQA hate.

 

I think history can repeat itself...

 

 

I must have missed the "full on MQA hate" part.  But it was fascinating to see the factions invert once @Brinkman Ship did some critical listening.  I'm more interested to hear the results of @Lee Scoggins intense, weeks long investigation into the nuances of MQA.  10,000 quatloos says he will proclaim that "experts" have assured him that he can be utterly confident of MQA's awesomeness.

[Ralf11]

I agree - we need some Scroggs to tell us what we are hearing

[Samuel T Cogley]

1 hour ago, GUTB said:

 

This analogy doesn’t work because no one says they’ve seen the edge of the flat earth.

 

I think pejorative is the word you're looking for.  And even as a pejorative,  it's weak because it's rooted in ad hominem.  Something that was used to dismiss imbecilic peasantry (those who actually believe the earth is flat) is co-opted in this case to mean someone who is not an audiophile "believer".  In other words, Scoggins is agreeing with you.

[Rt66indierock]

2 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

I agree - we need some Scroggs to tell us what we are hearing

 

I must confess I enjoy telling Steven Stone what he is hearing when it comes to sound stages. He was not amused especially when it involved seating at various venues. 

 

In Lee's case his financial analysis is some of most entertaining stuff I read. As for his audio reviews well it's got shiny knobs what else do you need?

[Dr Tone]

26 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

I must have missed the "full on MQA hate" part.  But it was fascinating to see the factions invert once @Brinkman Ship did some critical listening.  I'm more interested to hear the results of @Lee Scoggins intense, weeks long investigation into the nuances of MQA.  10,000 quatloos says he will proclaim that "experts" have assured him that he can be utterly confident of MQA's awesomeness.

 

You don't think it's odd how he went from inquisitive about MQA to the following posts that quickly?

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/38441-the-brinkman-ship-mqa-listening-results/?do=findComment&comment=776361

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/38441-the-brinkman-ship-mqa-listening-results/?do=findComment&comment=776366

 

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/38441-the-brinkman-ship-mqa-listening-results/?do=findComment&comment=776387

 

Scoggins has allot of research to do, but I think he might now realize he needs to advertise elsewhere.

 

[Brinkman Ship]

I am perplexed. Fair who? It seems the Pro MQA posters are just trying to discredit my findings. It seems to be their Modus Operandi. Anything or anybody who puts MQA in a bad light immediately gets attacked as either incompetent, a sock puppet, or is accused of having a crappy system. Enough.

 

I put in the hard yards of doing long hours of comparisons, and it seems the MQA fan boys do not like that. I was attempting to provide some sort of feedback to folks who may not have the opportunity to do valid comparisons. I am sure this is by design, but it requires a lot planning..an MQA DAC, hi-rez files, a Tidal account, etc.

 

So it seems the witch hunt has gone from MQA shills to MQA disbelievers. Fancy that.

[Samuel T Cogley]

Just now, Brinkman Ship said:

I am perplexed. Fair who? It seems the Pro MQA posters are just trying to discredit my findings. It seems to be

their Modus Operandi. Anything or anybody who puts MQA in a bad light immediately gets attacked as either incompetent,

a sock puppet, or is accused of having a crappy system. Enough.

 

I put in the hard yards of doing long hours of comparisons, and it seems the MQA fan boys do not like that. I was attempting to provide some sort of feedback to folks who may not have the opportunity to do valid comparisons. I am sure this is by design, but it requires a lot planning..an MQA DAC, hi-rez files, a Tidal account, etc.

 

So it seems the witch hunt has gone from MQA shills to MQA disbelievers. Fancy that.

 

You seemed pretty pro-MQA (or at least, mostly in support of the Audiophile Establishment) when you first posted.  The turnabout was rather sudden, which has people who are pretty much always suspicious really, really suspicious.

 

Personally, I'm envious of that system you did your listening tests with.  I've only listened to MQA on sub-$300 DACs and in a rare celestial alignment, find myself in agreement with @GUTB that MQA is underwhelming on those DACs.  Some of the most recent findings by Archimago suggest that MQA will sound different (not necessarily "better") than straight PCM. I appreciate the work you did with your testing.

 

My advice is to try to keep an open mind regarding who you think the "fanboys" are.  Some of them are not fanboys, just veterans of internet forums and deeply suspicious of anyone with a whiff of sock puppetry.

 

The ones of the forum you have to be the most mindful of are the self-appointed Civility Police.  They hold a lot of sway with Chris and can usually get someone banned very quickly.

[Brinkman Ship]

Thanks for the heads up. I think I have been nothing but civil, if also rather straight forward.

 

BTW, my personal listening to MQA via Tidal for the past few months was through the MyTek Brooklyn.

[GUTB]

31 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

You seemed pretty pro-MQA (or at least, mostly in support of the Audiophile Establishment) when you first posted.  The turnabout was rather sudden, which has people who are pretty much always suspicious really, really suspicious.

 

Personally, I'm envious of that system you did your listening tests with.  I've only listened to MQA on sub-$300 DACs and in a rare celestial alignment, find myself in agreement with @GUTB that MQA is underwhelming on those DACs.  Some of the most recent findings by Archimago suggest that MQA will sound different (not necessarily "better") than straight PCM. I appreciate the work you did with your testing.

 

My advice is to try to keep an open mind regarding who you think the "fanboys" are.  Some of them are not fanboys, just veterans of internet forums and deeply suspicious of anyone with a whiff of sock puppetry.

 

The ones of the forum you have to be the most mindful of are the self-appointed Civility Police.  They hold a lot of sway with Chris and can usually get someone banned very quickly.

 

He’s lying. He doesn’t have a rich audiophile friend, and they didn’t spend a day together performing careful blind listening tests with vinyl palette cleanses of the same albums to make a judgement call on MQA. It’s crazy that I have to even point this out...

[Brinkman Ship]

1 minute ago, GUTB said:

 

He’s lying. He doesn’t have a rich audiophile friend, and they didn’t spend a day together performing careful blind listening tests with vinyl palette cleanses of the same albums to make a judgement call on MQA. It’s crazy that I have to even point this out...

..and you know this HOW? It is clear to me from your posting history you are a few bubbles short of a bath.

[mansr]

1 minute ago, GUTB said:

He’s lying. He doesn’t have a rich audiophile friend,

Because he's not on your list (if a single entry can be called a list) of approved audiophiles.

[Brinkman Ship]

1 minute ago, mansr said:

Because he's not on your list (if a single entry can be called a list) of approved audiophiles.

Just imagine if I preferred the MQA streams to the HD files..then he would be saying what a great, tuned in listener I was with great acuity and taste.

[Samuel T Cogley]

2 minutes ago, GUTB said:

 

He’s lying. He doesn’t have a rich audiophile friend...

 

Or at least, you hope he's lying.  But you don't know.  I know a guy (I guess we call each other friends) who has a mid six figure system, dedicated listening room with furniture that's shockingly (at least to me) expensive and an ocean view than most would envy.

 

Just because you don't seem to have any affluent friends doesn't mean no one does.

[Brinkman Ship]

Just now, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Or at least, you hope he's lying.  But you don't know.  I know a guy (I guess we call each other friends) who has a mid six figure system, dedicated listening room with furniture that's shockingly (at least to me) expensive and an ocean view than most would envy.

 

Just because you don't seem to have any affluent friends doesn't mean no one does.

I think it is a case of he does wish I was lying..because my findings do not fit his pro MQA narrative.

 

 

[Samuel T Cogley]

Just now, Brinkman Ship said:

I think it is a case of he does wish I was lying..because my findings do not fit his pro MQA narrative.

 

Based on his posting history, spending increasingly more and more money on audio is something like his raison d'être.

[Brinkman Ship]

Just now, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Based on his posting history, spending increasingly more and more money on audio is something like his raison d'être.

Yes, that too. I have spent a decent sum too, but I have chosen very carefully, if I may say so:

Turntable:

Rega Planar 3

Cartridge:

Elys2

Digital Front End:

Bryston BDP-3 streamer / Bryston BDA-3 DAC / MyTek Brooklyn (MQA)

Analog Front End:

Rogue Triton

Pre Amplifier:

Conrad Johnson ET3SE

Amplification:

Ayre Acoustics V-5xe

Speaker System:

Magnapan 3.7i

Speaker Cables:

Transparent MM5 Super

Interconnects:

Transparent MM5 Super

Other Accessories:

Audience / Bryston power conditioners, Acoustic Zen power cords.

[Norton]

1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said:

if also rather straight forward.

 

Straightforward? Lets see:

 

29th Jan "As someone who has been enjoying MQA for the past few months via Tidal"

 

5th Feb "MQA is by far the biggest farce ever perpetrated in "high end audio"

 

Also on 5th Feb (your recent testing) "...requires a lot planning..an MQA DAC....a Tidal account, etc." although you presumably had already had a Tidal account and a MQA DAC for the past few months, so not much planning needed really?  Bit of a cock up on the backstory there.

 

According to Chris you joined with the email address "mqatruth"  (48 hrs after a member who shares a certain stylistic approach, and incidentally also owns a BDP streamer, was banned) and went to some lengths to conceal your location.