firedog Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 https://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/impressions-van-den-hul-the-extender/ Teresa 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
mansr Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Yeah, I had a good chuckle at that. lucretius 1 Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, firedog said: https://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/impressions-van-den-hul-the-extender/ What a great idea! Bypass audio and instead send signals directly to the brain through... telepathy? Love it! I wonder if it’s two-directional for real communications? Can it also communicate with the dead? -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
Popular Post Kal Rubinson Posted January 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2018 Quote The Extender emits a signal which communicates direct with the brain. Stated as fact, so, how? tmtomh and lucretius 1 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Popular Post pkane2001 Posted January 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, pkane2001 said: What a great idea! Bypass audio and instead send signals directly to the brain through... telepathy? Love it! I wonder if it’s two-directional for real communications? Can it also communicate with the dead? Oh, I get it! It’s communicating directly to the brain through expectation bias. That makes sense — it just needs to be expensive enough for this to work well. lucretius, tmtomh, plissken and 3 others 5 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
davide256 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think this is one of those WTF products for anyone. As such it transcends expectation bias Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: Oh, I get it! It’s communicating directly to the brain through expectation bias. That makes sense — it just needs to be expensive enough for this to work well. I was about to amend my post to say this but, rather, I think the post is an attempt to bypass the brain. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Shadders Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Hi, The positive feedback and experience is directly proportional to the amount of stuff he is smoking in the pipe. Regards, Shadders. Link to comment
realhifi Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, Shadders said: Hi, The positive feedback and experience is directly proportional to the amount of stuff he is smoking in the pipe. Regards, Shadders. Too easy. Want to bet that’s intentional? David Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted January 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2018 Does anyone know the distance over which this device emits ? Lately I found some inconsistency in the music I play. Vd Hul lives 200m from where I live. So now I know the cause. 4est and mansr 2 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
GUTB Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Interesting. Positive Feedback isn’t reputable, but vdh is. Link to comment
esldude Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Hey it passed the blind listening test. A/B/A/B/A switching, non-blind listening…the effect is an improvement in the performance of the system. And our current setup is already at a level of very high resolution, without the loss of musicality. This is one of a number of variations upon blind listening tests. Not at all like unreliable biased sighted listening. Oh and when asked how it worked A.J's response is very reassuring. Your last question: How does the Oase work or, what is the essence of the Oase, I like to keep unanswered. This is to avoid unauthorised use of the applied technology. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Shadders Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 HI, On a serious note the article states : "The Extender emits a signal which communicates direct with the brain." The article states it is a Scalar Wave - which is still an electromagnetic wave. Any piece of equipment that sends an EM wave into the brain should undergo health and safety testing. There are beneficial effects of EM waves on the body, as there are also detrimental effects. This product, without any testing and assurance that it does not harm the body/brain, is a potential serious health risk. Should not be sold. Regards, Shadders. Link to comment
mansr Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Shadders said: On a serious note the article states : "The Extender emits a signal which communicates direct with the brain." The article states it is a Scalar Wave - which is still an electromagnetic wave. Any piece of equipment that sends an EM wave into the brain should undergo health and safety testing. There are beneficial effects of EM waves on the body, as there are also detrimental effects. This product, without any testing and assurance that it does not harm the body/brain, is a potential serious health risk. You are assuming the device does anything at all. 15 minutes ago, Shadders said: Should not be sold. Agreed. Link to comment
eclectic Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, Shadders said: "The Extender emits a signal which communicates direct with the brain." Glamorous women do that to me all the time. The level of glamour needed to send the signal has an inverse relationship to the number of beers or bourbons I've consumed.. jabbr 1 Link to comment
firedog Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 45 minutes ago, Shadders said: The article states it is a Scalar Wave - which is still an electromagnetic wave. Apparently scientific consensus is that there is no such thing. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Shadders Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, firedog said: Apparently scientific consensus is that there is no such thing. Hi, If it transmits, then it will be an EM wave. Just because of marketing hype using the word Scalar, does not mean it does not transmit anything. If it does not transmit anything, then it is being advertised falsely. Maybe if someone were to open the box, we could see what is inside. Regards, Shadders. Link to comment
mansr Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, firedog said: Apparently scientific consensus is that there is no such thing. Then that's definitely how this device operates. esldude 1 Link to comment
GUTB Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 The reason why this is interesting is because vhd is reputable who is supposedly selling a snakeoil device. Well, anything interacting with the speaker load can make a significant difference but in regards to EM interaction with our audio processing center that is almost certainly BS unless there is research in that area I’m unaware of. The Van Den Hul Stradivarius phono cartridges are amongst the best. His cables are highly regarded and used in high end audiophile recording studios like Channel Classics. If he’s legit why would he jeprodize his reputation with (supposedly) snakeoil and/or trickery? Teresa 1 Link to comment
astrotoy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I just checked the calendar. I thought it might be April 1st. Larry lucretius 1 Analog-VPIClas3,3DArm,LyraSkala+MiyajimaZeromono,Herron VTPH2APhono,2AmpexATR-102+MerrillTridentMaster TapePreamp Dig Rip-Pyramix,IzotopeRX3Adv,MykerinosCard,PacificMicrosonicsModel2; Dig Play-Lampi Horizon, mch NADAC, Roon-HQPlayer,Oppo105 Electronics-DoshiPre,CJ MET1mchPre,Cary2A3monoamps; Speakers-AvantgardeDuosLR,3SolosC,LR,RR Other-2x512EngineerMarutaniSymmetrical Power+Cables Music-1.8KR2Rtapes,1.5KCD's,500SACDs,50+TBripped files Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted January 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2018 29 minutes ago, GUTB said: The reason why this is interesting is because vhd is reputable who is supposedly selling a snakeoil device. I've always considered VHD to be operating on the fringes of rationality along with the likes of Audioquest and Nordost. This puts him squarely in Synergistic Research territory. marce, mav52 and lucretius 2 1 Link to comment
pkane2001 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, GUTB said: The Van Den Hul Stradivarius phono cartridges are amongst the best. His cables are highly regarded and used in high end audiophile recording studios like Channel Classics. If he’s legit why would he jeprodize his reputation with (supposedly) snakeoil and/or trickery? I suggest you get one and try it out. That's the only way to know for sure. Of course, you'll probably want to upgrade the power cable, first. tmtomh 1 -Paul DeltaWave, DISTORT, Earful, PKHarmonic, new: Multitone Analyzer Link to comment
esldude Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, Shadders said: Hi, If it transmits, then it will be an EM wave. Just because of marketing hype using the word Scalar, does not mean it does not transmit anything. If it does not transmit anything, then it is being advertised falsely. Maybe if someone were to open the box, we could see what is inside. Regards, Shadders. Well do it yourself scalar wave devices consist of coils wound with a pair of wires. You send a signal in opposite directions on each wire. The magnetic fields cancel out. It soaks up power, and no EM wave is generated. Presumably the scalar wave is where the power goes. Or so is the spiel about this. So it works just as advertised, assuming it has such a coil. Soaks up a wee bit of power, generates no measurable EM wave, but is claimed to make an unmeasurable scalar wave. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
plissken Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Some of the finest Trolling this side of the Atlantic... tmtomh 1 Link to comment
rn701 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 If you pay $5000 for a black box (or brown) without any explanation of what it does, of course you are going to love the sound. Wonder why it needs the signal cable? Shouldn't it have some kind of sensors or something to make it wireless? Link to comment
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