mansr Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/01/22/1717948115 "The peripheral hearing system contains several motor mechanisms that allow the brain to modify the auditory transduction process. Movements or tensioning of either the middle ear muscles or the outer hair cells modifies eardrum motion, producing sounds that can be detected by a microphone placed in the ear canal (e.g., as otoacoustic emissions). Here, we report a form of eardrum motion produced by the brain via these systems: oscillations synchronized with and covarying with the direction and amplitude of saccades. These observations suggest that a vision-related process modulates the first stage of hearing. In particular, these eye movement-related eardrum oscillations may help the brain connect sights and sounds despite changes in the spatial relationship between the eyes and the ears." Sonicularity 1 Link to comment
Andyman Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, mansr said: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/01/22/1717948115 "The peripheral hearing system contains several motor mechanisms that allow the brain to modify the auditory transduction process. Movements or tensioning of either the middle ear muscles or the outer hair cells modifies eardrum motion, producing sounds that can be detected by a microphone placed in the ear canal (e.g., as otoacoustic emissions). Here, we report a form of eardrum motion produced by the brain via these systems: oscillations synchronized with and covarying with the direction and amplitude of saccades. These observations suggest that a vision-related process modulates the first stage of hearing. In particular, these eye movement-related eardrum oscillations may help the brain connect sights and sounds despite changes in the spatial relationship between the eyes and the ears." You on holiday this week Mans? Reminds me of the flautist James Galway - he had Nystagmus...! Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted January 24, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Andyman said: You on holiday this week Mans? Miska, tmtomh and sarvsa 2 1 Link to comment
esldude Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I've noticed this for years I think. If I sweep my eyes left to right or up and down, I hear a change. I've thought I was hearing eye muscles via bone conduction. But no other facial muscles do this. So perhaps it's this effect. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
rikhav Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Andyman said: You on holiday this week Mans? Reminds me of the flautist James Galway - he had Nystagmus...! Hi I do have Congenital nystagmus probably since birth So does it affect my hearing as well mainly with imaging in the sound stage? i always get bad pain in the eyes and all around head when I sit to listen music looking straight ahead due to which either I prefer tilting my head down looking at the floor The pain is more like the whole eye being sore like ones hands do get after doing lot of writing But the frustrations start as I can't get relieved of the soreness like one can get by stretching ones hand after writing for a long time Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Can’t wait until Bob gets wind of this. It will finally be revealed that that blue light indicates proper alignment with the mastering engineers gaze. Neuroscience you know! tmtomh 1 Link to comment
MetalNuts Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 hours ago, mcgillroy said: Can’t wait until Bob gets wind of this. It will finally be revealed that that blue light indicates proper alignment with the mastering engineers gaze. Neuroscience you know! I would say if the blue light project out a beautiful and hot girl will help the sales of MQA DAC. MetalNuts Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 there's a deconvolution joke in there somewhere... mcgillroy, jabbr and tmtomh 2 1 Link to comment
rikhav Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Ralf11 said: there's a deconvolution joke in there somewhere... Yes Got it wrong and thought there is some serious discussion about nystagmus, hence posted about my issue But that's fine , all is ok Link to comment
mansr Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 The original post was not intended as a joke. Link to comment
mourip Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, mansr said: The original post was not intended as a joke. I remember reading a post on Head-Fi where the person was describing that his system sounded different to him if he forgot to wear his glasses. If his vision was clear then things sounded better. At first I thought that he had fallen prey to audiophool obsessing but over time I have realized that my system sounded better to me if I take my reading glasses off since they tend to blur my vision when looking out towards my system. I have played with this phenomena many times and for me it is real. Your article reference helps to explain this. Thanks! tmtomh 1 "Don't Believe Everything You Think" System Link to comment
mcgillroy Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, mansr said: The original post was not intended as a joke. I wasn’t implying that. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
jabbr Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 14 hours ago, mansr said: The original post was not intended as a joke. No! It’s not. @Ralf11 was perhaps thinking about Weiner Kernels ... in any case the neurological system is so incredibly non- linear that completely counter intuitive sensory perception mechanisms exist. Like this. Traditional concepts of eg ultrasonic heating might not apply because — who knows — the retina might respond to 69 kHz ??♂️ Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Because you want to see and hear the lion. There people alive today had ancestors who were able to avoid lions. In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 ears/eyes - that's nothing check this out: https://phys.org/news/2018-01-discovery-links-sour-ear-ability.html?utm_source=menu&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=item-menu Link to comment
mansr Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 7 hours ago, NOMBEDES said: There people alive today had ancestors who were able to avoid lions. Avoiding lions is easy, at least here in Britain. Link to comment
rando Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Redacted off topic British humor. Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, mansr said: Avoiding lions is easy, at least here in Britain. Ok, how about avoiding Vikings? In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
mansr Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, NOMBEDES said: Ok, how about avoiding Vikings? No need. I am one. rando 1 Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Hedgehogs? In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
ted_b Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Like Spiny Norman?? "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 best Vikings are in France and make great cream sauces (but little wine) Link to comment
esldude Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Ralf11 said: best Vikings are in France and make great cream sauces (but little wine) If you are talking about Rolo, I don't know about the wine made, but he drinks plenty. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Miska Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 3:54 PM, mansr said: That's how I regularly end up here. Or you could also add "test running!" as an excuse... Related to topic, long time ago I participated in one HRTF research and it was freaking hard to keep head and eyes staring forward and not look around when your hearing really really convincingly tells about some objects nearby around your head... jabbr 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, esldude said: If you are talking about Rolo, I don't know about the wine made, but he drinks plenty. Normandy - Vikings invaded and decided to stay Link to comment
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