T-Bone Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I am trying to find a network streamer with I2S output. Unfortunately, I haven't found what I'm looking for yet. Perhaps someone here can recommend a product that I'm not yet familiar with. I want to pair a network streamer with a Holo Spring DAC which has an I2S input. Before someone suggests it, I do NOT want to add digital-to-digital converter like the Singxer SU-1 between a streamer and a DAC in order to convert USB to I2S. My ultimate solution is a Wi-Fi / Ethernet input and I2S output. My "dream product" would be a Sonore ultraRendu with I2S output. Link to comment
Popular Post diecaster Posted January 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2018 Mano Music Streamer tmtomh and Doak 2 Link to comment
SolarFlight Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 audiophonics.fr has a few My Computer Audiophile profile Link to comment
PhilR Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Original Sonore Signature Rendu Rockna Wavedream Synology DS1515+ > PS Audio P10 > Innuos Zenith Mk II running Roon Core > IsoRegen/LPS-1 > Lyngdorf TDAI 2170 > Tekton Double Impact Speakers Link to comment
T-Bone Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, PhilR said: Original Sonore Signature Rendu Rockna Wavedream The Rockna Wavedream is DAC, not a streamer. The original sonore rendu was the only device I recall having what I needed. too bad they don't make it any more. Link to comment
PhilR Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, T-Bone said: The Rockna Wavedream is DAC, not a streamer. The original sonore rendu was the only device I recall having what I needed. too bad they don't make it any more. Sorry, meant Wavedream Net : http://www.rockna-audio.com/products/wavedream-net SSR's show up every couple of months on the used market. Synology DS1515+ > PS Audio P10 > Innuos Zenith Mk II running Roon Core > IsoRegen/LPS-1 > Lyngdorf TDAI 2170 > Tekton Double Impact Speakers Link to comment
T-Bone Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, PhilR said: Sorry, meant Wavedream Net : http://www.rockna-audio.com/products/wavedream-net Thanks for the tip - the Wavedream Net looks very interesting, but what a price tag! Even used they were asking $8k! A used Sonore Signature Rendu is looking like my best option. Link to comment
FredM Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 23 hours ago, T-Bone said: I am trying to find a network streamer with I2S output. Unfortunately, I haven't found what I'm looking for yet. Perhaps someone here can recommend a product that I'm not yet familiar with. I want to pair a network streamer with a Holo Spring DAC which has an I2S input. Before someone suggests it, I do NOT want to add digital-to-digital converter like the Singxer SU-1 between a streamer and a DAC in order to convert USB to I2S. My ultimate solution is a Wi-Fi / Ethernet input and I2S output. My "dream product" would be a Sonore ultraRendu with I2S output. I'm in a similar position, unfortunately an ethernet In/I2S Out is pretty rare. My findings: SOtM has a very interesting line up with the EX clocks in the Ultra's. But no I2S output.. Sonore has a two device option: the micro/ultraRendu with the ultraDigital, which has an I2S out Manga Mano has a one box NAA with I2S output, they are about to introduce an updated model Metrum acoustics will introduce a one box NAA with I2S soon, the Ambre less known: the Soundaware D100 Pro Based on current experience I would love to see a SOtM SMS-200 Ultra with an I2S output.. that's not the case, so I guess I'll wait a little to see what Manga and Metrum have in their sleeve. Otherwise I guess the 2 box Sonore the I2S way to go. tapatrick 1 Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hi @T-Bone I did a similar search to pair with my PS Audio Directstream dac and didn't find a convincing solution. Initially I was interested in the original Sonore Signature Rendu but a conversation with Adrian at Sonore put me off because he tried to push me towards USB saying that they were getting better SQ from USB than they achieved with I2S from the SSR. I then went down the same path as you did with the SU-1 which as you know is a great bit of kit. But in the end I got fed up with the complexity and issues involved with an overcomplicated 'spaghetti' solution. ie all the different cables and power supplies etc, each of which has pros & cons. The I2S solution that I was most intrigued by was the servers that Pink Faun (based in Netherlands) offer. Ok not a streamer per se but you could output I2S to your Holo Spring I believe. In my case I gave up on I2S and just focused on getting the best server I could get. I'm getting better SQ than I had with the SU-1 but it's via ethernet or USB straight from the server into the DAC. Oh there's also a lengthy thread over at the PS Audio forums that you might want to check out. But I didn't see any compelling I2S solutions there other than some Raspberry Pi builds and custom servers. http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/compatible-i2s-source-devices/page-15/#p85187 Cheers, Alan Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 PS there is apparently also a mod sound card for the Oppo 203/205 players that offers I2S via the HDMI output. The Oppos are well built and it can act as a streamer (Roon ready etc) as well as a disc player. But not sure if that's what you had in mind and it's hard to comment on the quality of the mod soundcard. tmtomh 1 Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
diecaster Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, BigAlMc said: Hi @T-Bone I did a similar search to pair with my PS Audio Directstream dac and didn't find a convincing solution. Initially I was interested in the original Sonore Signature Rendu but a conversation with Adrian at Sonore put me off because he tried to push me towards USB saying that they were getting better SQ from USB than they achieved with I2S from the SSR. I then went down the same path as you did with the SU-1 which as you know is a great bit of kit. But in the end I got fed up with the complexity and issues involved with an overcomplicated 'spaghetti' solution. ie all the different cables and power supplies etc, each of which has pros & cons. The I2S solution that I was most intrigued by was the servers that Pink Faun (based in Netherlands) offer. Ok not a streamer per se but you could output I2S to your Holo Spring I believe. In my case I gave up on I2S and just focused on getting the best server I could get. I'm getting better SQ than I had with the SU-1 but it's via ethernet or USB straight from the server into the DAC. Oh there's also a lengthy thread over at the PS Audio forums that you might want to check out. But I didn't see any compelling I2S solutions there other than some Raspberry Pi builds and custom servers. http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/compatible-i2s-source-devices/page-15/#p85187 Cheers, Alan It seems the most compelling solution for the PS Audio DirectStream is the Bridge II card which is what I am using right now. I don't hear any significant difference between it and the ultraRendu. I want to use Roon so I may be a bit more limited in choices than you. The Mano streamer is still a real possibility. Link to comment
BigAlMc Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah just took a look at the Mano and it looks interesting. Synergistic Research Powercell UEF SE > Sonore OpticalModule (LPS-1.2 & DXP-1A5DSC) > EtherRegen (SR4T & DXP-1A5DSC) > (Sablon 2020 LAN) Innuos PhoenixNet > Muon Streaming System > Grimm Audio MU1 server > (Sablon AES) Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC > PS Audio M1200 monoblocks > Salk Sound Supercharged Songtowers Link to comment
T-Bone Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 Thanks for the insight gentlemen! That was very useful. Link to comment
rodrigaj Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Here is an original Sonore Rendu: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/media-servers-sonore-rendu-network-player-w-i2s-output-11197-2017-12-20-computer-audio Ethernet in / I2S or SPDF out. "The function of music is to release us from the tyranny of conscious thought", Sir Thomas Beecham. Link to comment
tapatrick Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Have you seen this one? https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/network-audio-players/sparkdigi-lte-i2s-kali-reclocked-network-player-i2s-lvds-hdmi-p-12132.html Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
oneguy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I’m not a huge fan of the spaghetti solution I have now either. Ethernet to ultraRendu (fed by LPS) uR via USB reclokcker (fed by LPS) to SU-1 (fed by LPS) SU-1 via I2S to Holo Spring. Thats 6 boxes including power supplies between my router and my DAC. On top of that you have all of the noise ground wires. A simple Ethernet to I2S to DAC or even just an Ethernet to DAC solution would kbe awesome. Kind of makes me jealous of the Network Bridge and the PS Audio DACs. Link to comment
diecaster Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I hear you! I am quite pleased with my PS Audio DirectStream with Bridge II card. No USB mess or extra LPS units all over the place. Link to comment
oneguy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The Bridge II needs to be able to accept DSD256 or 512 and then it would be perfect. I really hope the upcoming Holo May DAC has this type of setup. Link to comment
One and a half Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 There are many different I2S connections, which to choose and which to change, IIRC there are about 30 + combinations already. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
matthias Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 In my view the best is to have a DAC with only one input (ethernet) like Linn Klimax DS. Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
diecaster Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, oneguy said: The Bridge II needs to be able to accept DSD256 or 512 and then it would be perfect. I really hope the upcoming Holo May DAC has this type of setup. The DirectStream supports a max of DSD128. The Bridge II supports only DSD64. There is no way the Bridge II could support a higher rate than the DAC. Link to comment
oneguy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I the bridge only did PCM up to 192/24. Good info! To be more clear I should have said the DirectStream plus the Bridge II need to support the higher rates. Never looked at what the DAC could support because once I saw the limitation of the Bridge II the rest was I moot point for me. Link to comment
Kevin_C Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 1/16/2018 at 5:26 PM, T-Bone said: My "dream product" would be a Sonore ultraRendu with I2S output. @T-Bone FYI, I have an original Sonore Signature Rendu with I2S output for sale in the CA Buy & Sell Forum: Link to comment
Dave A.... Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I have the Audiophonics streamer with I2S out going to my W4S DAC. Sounds great on Spotify premium. A bitch to setup.......doesn't come with any documentation, just assumed knowledge whe n you buy a Rpi. Link to comment
tapatrick Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Dave A.... said: I have the Audiophonics streamer with I2S out going to my W4S DAC. Sounds great on Spotify premium. A bitch to setup.......doesn't come with any documentation, just assumed knowledge whe n you buy a Rpi. I am putting together an Ethernet > I2S - Roon streamer but based on a Sparky SBC running DietPi. I'm adding Ian Canada's McFifo & McDualXO isolator and reclocker boards plus the Audio g-d HDMI LVDS. Waiting for the parts and should be a decent setup. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/207438-ian-asynchronous-i2s-pdif-fifo-kit-buy-243.html#post5111246 https://github.com/iancanada/DocumentDownload MikeyFresh 1 Topaz 2.5Kva Isolation Transformer > EtherRegen switch powered by Paul Hynes SR4 LPS >MacBook Pro 2013 > EC Designs PowerDac SX > TNT UBYTE-2 Speaker cables > Omega Super Alnico Monitors > 2x Rel T Zero Subwoofers. Link to comment
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