kennyb123 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, FrankMA said: I am seeing some odd behavior with the update. With the experimental feature/Roon I am seeing the songs not increment. For example it is playing a song that is different (next in queue) from what Roon is showing as now playing I experienced that even before the update when in experimental mode. It may be occurring more often though since the update. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
baconbrain Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 5/13/2019 at 4:42 PM, nvitorino said: Hi, Just returning from Munich and catching up on the world. Just a quick heads up with regards to the Ethernet Reclocker Switch we've spoken about to some at Munich. The Reclocker Switch will take a good deal longer than the USB Reclocker - we are designing the switch from scratch as simply changing the clock on an existing commercial switch leaves too much potential untapped. This is the same approach we have taken with the USB Reclocker to a great effect. As such, we are expecting the USB Reclocker to be ready around end of July. Ethernet we would recon more towards the end of the year. Not everyone needs both a USB Reclocker and the Ethernet Switch. We have SE customers who basically don't do streaming, which will be the main advantage of having the reclocker, as well as customers who use the SE with another streamer and don't connect to a USB DAC. In those cases, they only need one of the boxes. For those who want both, the Statement is indeed a tidier solution but also one that requires a bigger upfront investment whereas the reclocker units can be purchased as you go. Nuno Curious if there is any update regarding the USB Reclocker ...? Link to comment
str-1 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 8/11/2019 at 7:47 PM, baconbrain said: Curious if there is any update regarding the USB Reclocker ...? Zenith SE > USPCB (5v off) > tX-USBultra 9V (SR4) > Sablon Reserva Elite USB > M Scaler > WAVE Stream bnc > DAVE > Prion4/Lazuli Reference > Utopia/LCD-4/HE1000se Link to comment
baconbrain Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, str-1 said: Thanks for providing the link. Got a bit impatient and decided to just purchase a Statement instead. You only live once ... Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Any updates to the player software @nvitorino ? We haven't had an update in awhile. I have basically given up on the squeezelite experimental player. Too many stoppages/dropouts/erratic behavior. But I really miss the improved sound quality........................ MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 5:20 AM, FrankMA said: I have basically given up on the squeezelite experimental player. Too many stoppages/dropouts/erratic behavior. But I really miss the improved sound quality........................ I tried to give it up a few times. I returned though after finding that another system upgrade made the benefits of experimental mode more evident. I really wish Roon would get serious about improving both sound quality and search performance. FrankMA 1 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, kennyb123 said: I really wish Roon would get serious about improving both sound quality and search performance. I know. Sounds so much better. But between that and the EtherRegen connectivity issues I had to stop for now You will get attacked over in the Roon forums for even suggesting it is anything but perfect 😂 I have been told I have an inferior music server MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
Popular Post kennyb123 Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, FrankMA said: I know. Sounds so much better. But between that and the EtherRegen connectivity issues I had to stop for now You will get attacked over in the Roon forums for even suggesting it is anything but perfect 😂 I have been told I have an inferior music server I hope your EtherRegen issues get resolved soon. My Zenith Mk2 Std responded very well to it. There have been reports that StylusEP, which is a "Squeezebox emulated endpoint", doesn't suffer the same instability issues with Roon. How cool would it be if Innuos were to match what Euphony has been able to achieve with the Innuos internal player? yellowblue, FrankMA and soares 3 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 If Innuos was able to stabilize Experimental mode, I think it would give them a nice competitive advantage. They could call it Roon Optimized Mode or Roon Enhanced Mode. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Absolutely Kenny. Maybe @nvitorino can give us some forward looking insight...... MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
yellowblue Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Someone who already updated to Roon 1.7? Does it work fine with Innuous servers? Maybe someone who tested 1.7 using the experimental mode at the same time? Will the skipping, unexpected behaviour get worse? Link to comment
Popular Post JFHSQT Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 I updated last night with my Zen MK III in Experimental mode. I have always used Experimental mode and rarely have issues as long as I don't skip ahead in tracks or jump around on my queue too much. Occasionally (on previous builds) I'll select a "cold" track and it will queue it up to play then nothing happens. But once I get music going I rarely have problems. So I did update last night and experienced no issues with Experimental mode. Every track I selected went ahead and played the first time, no jumped tracks in my queue. Best of all, when I go ahead and "skip" tracks (jump forward to another track) in the queue, they load right up and play without error at all. Before when I did this, it would struggle to play and then drop out many times. Just hit the "skip" button 6 times and jumped ahead 6 tracks in the queue and the next track played flawlessly - this was a track in my library, not Quobuz or Tidal. Roon overall seemed zippier loading Artists and Album directories, etc. I think the suggested albums feature is a great addition. It seems this is a top notch, stable release. I'd be interested in hearing what others experience with Experimental mode. FrankMA and yellowblue 2 Link to comment
yellowblue Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 After JFHSQTs reply I installed Roon 1.7 without any problems. 1.7 seems to be a lot more responsive with Experimental mode (on the SE) and I don´t have as many freezing issues as before. You now can skip a track and there is a greater chance that the next track actually will begin to play immediately. Sometimes Roon 1.7 is jumping forward 2 tracks though and sometimes the music stops playing - but less often than before. Maybe @nvitorino is able to start his work with the Experimental mode again to close the last gaps. All I can say that I enjoy the Experimental mode more with 1.7 than before, even because I hear a nice little lift in SQ. The soundstage becomes a little wider and deeper and voices gain a little more intimicy and naturalness. I have to tell though that the music stopped playing once within an half hour with a note "album is missing". Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Great news. Will be sure to go back and try it. From Roon's literature on this change, I'm not surprised it is seeming more responsive Some Roon users are also reporting a sound bump in 1.7. Attributing it to Roon requiring less processing demands on Core machines MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 8:33 AM, JFHSQT said: So I did update last night and experienced no issues with Experimental mode. Every track I selected went ahead and played the first time, no jumped tracks in my queue. Best of all, when I go ahead and "skip" tracks (jump forward to another track) in the queue, they load right up and play without error at all. Before when I did this, it would struggle to play and then drop out many times. Liiterally my first skip track with Experimental active produced the same drop out behavior as prior MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Turning off Exp at @kennyb123 's suggestion seems to have worked on the stoppages from streaming services. I normally don't burn in via streaming so maybe I never noticed this before with Exp. Normal listening is fine as long as you are not jumping ahead. Thank you Roon also published the 5.05 Build this AM that they say should help with Tidal/Qobuz kennyb123 1 MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
JFHSQT Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I will say I may have been premature in my assessment of the Exp feature's stability in 1.7. It is true that it was amazingly stable on Friday when I first posted that update. However over the weekend I began experiencing worse errors than I have ever experienced (prior to updating to 1.7). Many tracks only were playing 20-50% then jumping ahead to the next track. Looking at the Roon Community over the weekend, it seemed this was an issue many were having regardless of Innuos or the Squeezebox emulation, so I attributed it to overall instability of the 1.7 build and not to the Innuos. Since Sunday evening it seems that things have gotten back to normal without the skips and stops (for me) so it could have been a glitch over the weekend. Link to comment
Popular Post nvitorino Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 8:19 PM, kennyb123 said: If Innuos was able to stabilize Experimental mode, I think it would give them a nice competitive advantage. They could call it Roon Optimized Mode or Roon Enhanced Mode. Your wish may just come true... We have a new Beta for Experimental Mode on Roon 1.7 and, on our tests, seems to be absolutely stable - hasn't glitched once so far. @kennyb123 If you'd like to try the beta, please PM me. We'll arrange a remote session to install it and you can try it out. Assuming everything works fine, it will be released on version 1.4.4, along with some other goodies 🙂 Nuno soares, FrankMA, baconbrain and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment
FrankMA Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, nvitorino said: Assuming everything works fine, it will be released on version 1.4.4, along with some other goodies 🙂 Great to hear @nvitorino 😁 MAIN: Sonore Optical Module Deluxe/Farad Super 3 (7v) > Uptone EtherRegen/Farad Super 3(9v)/AfterDark Emperor Signature/Farad Super 3 (12v) > Innuos Zenith MKII SE (ER A) > ER (B) > Meitner MA-3 DAC > Ayre K-5xe MP Preamplifier > Ayre VX-5 Twenty Amplifier > Vandersteen Quatro Woods POWER: AQ Niagara 5000 > AQ (Hurricane)/Triode Wire Labs/Shunyata Python/Nordost Blue Heaven/Audience AU24 SE/Audio Sensibilities Sig Silver CABLING: Silversmith Audio Fidelium Speaker/Sablon Pantela Reserva 2020 Lan/Ghent JSSG360 Cat 6/AQ Earth & Pegasus/Aurelis Deuland 75ohm ISOLATION: Stillpoints/Symposium/IsoAcoustics/Herbie's/PS Audio Powerbase Link to comment
#Yoda# Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 hours ago, nvitorino said: Your wish may just come true... We have a new Beta for Experimental Mode on Roon 1.7 and, on our tests, seems to be absolutely stable - hasn't glitched once so far. @kennyb123 If you'd like to try the beta, please PM me. We'll arrange a remote session to install it and you can try it out. Assuming everything works fine, it will be released on version 1.4.4, along with some other goodies 🙂 Nuno Will it include a stable DSD 128 support as well? Link to comment
nvitorino Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 17 hours ago, #Yoda# said: Will it include a stable DSD 128 support as well? DSD128 support is a limitation on the Squeezebox support on Roon, not much we can do there. Support will only be via DoP up to DSD64. DSD128 will be downsampled to DSD64. Link to comment
#Yoda# Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 hours ago, nvitorino said: DSD128 support is a limitation on the Squeezebox support on Roon, not much we can do there. Support will only be via DoP up to DSD64. DSD128 will be downsampled to DSD64. Good to know, this explains the constant drop outs with DSD 128. Thank you for the information! Link to comment
Anwar Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 @nvitorinoI am not using Roon with my Zenith Mk II (non SE). Music is played directly from internal SSD. Will DoP DSD 256 and PCM 384k be supported? Right now, limited to DSD 128 and PCM 192k. What caused the limitations? CPU processing power? Music server builder Link to comment
baconbrain Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 10:27 AM, nvitorino said: Your wish may just come true... We have a new Beta for Experimental Mode on Roon 1.7 and, on our tests, seems to be absolutely stable - hasn't glitched once so far. @kennyb123 If you'd like to try the beta, please PM me. We'll arrange a remote session to install it and you can try it out. Assuming everything works fine, it will be released on version 1.4.4, along with some other goodies 🙂 Nuno I have another wish since it is almost xmas time. How about NAA support for HqPlayer? Link to comment
nvitorino Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 On 11/29/2019 at 11:33 PM, Anwar said: @nvitorinoI am not using Roon with my Zenith Mk II (non SE). Music is played directly from internal SSD. Will DoP DSD 256 and PCM 384k be supported? Right now, limited to DSD 128 and PCM 192k. What caused the limitations? CPU processing power? It's not about processing power at all. It requires a kernel upgrade to support native mode on selected DACs. It's planned for version 1.4.4. The CPU processing power isn't really that relevant unless you are converting PCM to DSD or using DSP with several zones. Playing back DSD or PCM directly requires little to no processing power at all. Link to comment
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