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14 minutes ago, NoisyNarrowBandDevice said:

We are writing two articles on the topic, one on the technical aspects of MQA and one investigating the history of digital audio and MQAs place in it.

 

Have you considered putting this video presentation on YouTube, for even more exposure, if people search YouTube for info MQA?

 

 

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1 hour ago, GUTB said:

Anyway, enough of that. Basically, this was Computer Audiophile MQA Haters Presentation 2017. The title was pretty deceptive as the DRM discussion only took up a little bit of the talk at the end, and the presentation was mostly about why MQA sucks.

 

You talk exactly like Peter Veth and the other key opionion makers. They all use the word "hater" to attack the MQA debunkers.

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1 hour ago, FredericV said:

 

You talk exactly like Peter Veth and the other key opionion makers. They all use the word "hater" to attack the MQA debunkers.

 

"The OP and many others are not going to stop until MQA LTD is liquidated"

 

"One can only fight an enemy if one understands that enemy."

 

No haters on CA?  

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2 hours ago, GUTB said:

Why did I spend hours writing this post???

 

You did it for me.

 

2 hours ago, GUTB said:

The rest from this presenter is just his opinions, mostly CA opinions it seems.

 

I saw this coming and at 29:56 I stopped. WTF must I look at this for an hour to see that it is a copy paste from here (CA).

So you know what I did ? I decided to move to your long text, GUTB, and use that for a quick cut. Glad I did. Saved me about 25 minutes of my time.

 

Really sad.

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Because of this :

 

14 hours ago, crenca said:

At around the 50 minute mark the presenters go into what DRM is, and why MQA is a good example of it.  They also detail the public/private key aspects of MQA better than I have seen before.

 

I thought, "let's see then". What crenca hasn't seen, I may not have either. It starts out with a moroneous question whether people think this is DRM. No answer. So the conclusion is a Yes ??

Now THAT is scientific CRAP.

 

And this is BS :

 

 

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and adds to it "which you have payed for of course" with a tone which is only suggestive.

 

Het should have looked into matters deeper. Or better : he just does not understand.

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3 hours ago, Norton said:

 

"One can only fight an enemy if one understands that enemy."

 

No haters on CA?  

 

That is not hate. It is applied Sun Tzu.

 

It is a call to people to deeply understand MQA in all its aspects, before attacking it. As opposed to shooting in the wild, which only muddles the pool, or worse, can be made to play in favour of the fanbois.

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2 hours ago, Fokus said:

 

It is a call to people to deeply understand MQA in all its aspects, before attacking it. .

 

But if you've already decided you want to attack something, why bother trying to understand it first.  Cut  out the middle man and get stuck straight into the hating!

 

Taking the decision to attack something or someone in the absence of understanding  is surely the most perfect definition of hatred as practised the world over?  The fact that you then pause for an immediate stage of understanding before proceeding to the actual attack itself is still hatred.  It's just better informed hatred.

 

Less like applied Sun Tzu, more like applied Adolf Eichmann.*

 

* I am not actually suggesting that anyone here is behaving like a Nazi.

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Human hearing, like most aspects of human capabilities can be plotted on a bell curve.

My hearing ability is on the lower left side of of bell curve.  My wife's hearing is plotted on the higher end of the scale, where the bat and human intersect. (sorry dear, I am not saying you are an old bat).... anyway.

 

So for me, high resolution is a myth.  I can not tell the difference between a CD and a high end super duper file.  So be it.

 

Now when we interpose human hearing capabilities over a graph of age progression as it applies to hearing and disposable income you will see an X plot graph,  income will increase with age as hearing ability declines.  (the point being that the people with sufficient disposable income to enjoy expensive high resolution downloads, MQA enhanced equipment and associated components and speakers have, in general, degraded hearing acuity

 

There are, of course exceptions, many people on this site claim to have excellent hearing well into advanced age.  I doubt if this minority can support the house of cards that MQA is building.

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, PeterSt said:

 

I thought, "let's see then". What crenca hasn't seen, I may not have either. It starts out with a moroneous question whether people think this is DRM. No answer. So the conclusion is a Yes ??

Now THAT is scientific CRAP.

 

 

Science and crowd?  That is CRAP :)

 

The presenter outlines very nicely what DRM is, and how MQA is a good example of it.  He thinks the "freemium" DRM scheme defines MQA for  now (i.e. MQA v 1.2) it this is right...

Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math!

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55 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

This is a key point, one that goes to the heart of why the art & wine, radically subjectivised audiophile and "audiophile press" have been (quite literally) hoodwinked into thinking about MQA as just another sound quality tweak.  A culture of radical subjectivism of course fosters this attitude, but I wonder if that explains the whole phenomena??  Such folks can't claim ignorance, as audio has had Dolby, MP3, SACD, DVD-Audio, etc.etc. (granting the differences of each of those).  They also live in the 1st world with the rest of us, and are certainly aware of the effect DRM has had in Video.

 

The attempts at arguing that MQA is not DRM (which presupposes an erroneous "copy protection" or similar definition of DRM) are, well, delusional...

 

Sigh. Look, when MQA introduces DRM, then we can can all point to when they said otherwise and call Stuart a liar. Until then, it’s just an imaginary boogeyman.

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