left channel Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 @jhwalker thanks, it would be great to see a screen shot of Qobuz in A+. Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
Dr Tone Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 41 minutes ago, jhwalker said: Audirvana does a nice job with this, as well, with no pushback from Qobuz. So it seems the conflict is Roon's desire not to "break" their UX model to allow simple playback without all their bells and whistles, as Qobuz has already shown they don't mind other programs repackaging their material. I think with Qobuz coming to the US, Roon will adapt. They really need another source. Integrated access to all that real lossless HD audio streaming will only be requested more and more. Roon Rock->Auralic Aria G2->Schiit Yggdrasil A2->McIntosh C47->McIntosh MC301 Monos->Wilson Audio Sabrinas Link to comment
Popular Post Musicophile Posted February 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 5:52 AM, Madra said: I thought they started with mp3 quality streaming and added Sublime and Sublime + later. My bad. I only dowloaded High Res albums, but enjoy the site content a lot (french is my second language). I am seriously considering dropping Tidal and going Qobuz. Sublime is not the name of their lossless streaming service (that is called Qobuz Hifi), but of a specific prepaid package where you purchase one year of the lossless streaming service paid in advance instead of monthly. In return you get a significant discount (often 30-50%) on any Highres albums you decide to purchase. For me, the Sublime package is essentially “free” given how much I save on the downloads (I tend to buy 2-3 highres downloads per month). Used this way, it is a really excellent deal. Sublime Plus is a relatively new offering allowing you to stream most of the available high res content in up to 24/192, for an incremental €10 per month approximately, and you get the same download discounts as for Sublime. For my streaming purposes (mainly discovery) lossless is enough, as I buy the stuff I really care about in Highres anyhow. A nice touch from Qobuz is that once you’ve purchased a Highres download you can stream it anywhere in up to 24/192 (or whatever the files resolution is) even without Sublime Plus. #Yoda# and miguelito 2 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
wwc Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm curious, what your decision is based on to use Sublime instead of Sublime +? Do you find the downloaded HiRes files higher sq than the streamed HiRes? (I'm interested to try Qobuz when released in the US to answer that question for myself.) If they sound the same, it seems to make sense to simply stream rather than purchase downloads. Link to comment
Madra Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 @Musicophile, totally agree with you. “Sublime” is the sweet spot subscription. For 20 euros more per year than “hifi “, you get major savings on high Res downloads. But many may not be interested in aquiring a collection an may go for the Sublime +. Would be interesting to know the percentage of hifi/Sublime/Sublime+ subscribers. Musicophile 1 Link to comment
Dr Tone Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm Sublime only, I sample and purchase. Roon Rock->Auralic Aria G2->Schiit Yggdrasil A2->McIntosh C47->McIntosh MC301 Monos->Wilson Audio Sabrinas Link to comment
Popular Post Musicophile Posted February 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 hours ago, wwc said: I'm curious, what your decision is based on to use Sublime instead of Sublime +? Do you find the downloaded HiRes files higher sq than the streamed HiRes? (I'm interested to try Qobuz when released in the US to answer that question for myself.) If they sound the same, it seems to make sense to simply stream rather than purchase downloads. Tricky point. First of all, I don’t hear a difference between streamed highres and local highres files, especially when played via Audievana from memory Couple of elements play into this for me: I think I hear some difference between Highres and red book (although not sure I’d survive a blind test). Plus, if I now buy something, I want the best possible (“final”) version so I don’t have to buy it ever again, as long as the premium for high res isn’t too massive. The reason I like buying downloads on top of streaming is twofold: it gives me autonomy should I ever give up streaming (either because it gets to expensive or the service isn’t offered any more or or or), and I also want to make sure the artists make at least some money (which on streaming alone realistically they don’t). At the same time, the difference between Highres and redbook isn’t big enough for me to justify spending another €100 every year for it. Hope I made myself somewhat clear. #Yoda# and jhwalker 1 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
bobbmd Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 @wwc I think Qobuz sounds ‘better’ than TIDAL I also think BOTH of them sound better via Audirvana3+ and you have both at your finger tips plus A+3 app gives you a ‘remote’ so to speak Link to comment
#Yoda# Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 @Musicophile I agree with your motivation 100%. I'm a subscriber of Qobuz Sublime and not Sublime + for the same reasons. I just have some trouble with Qobuz because of their not existing quality control. Perhaps, you as Classical/Jazz music lover are not so much affected, but in their catalog for Rock, Blues or Pop music are still a significant number of upsampled HiRes fakes. I wouldn't buy any HiRes files from Qobuz without checking them with a proper analysis tool. As Sublime + subscriber and streaming only listener, it is much more difficult to verify the real content quality in case that your ears notice that there may be something wrong. One of the reasons why the labels like streaming. By the way, if you buy a new 24/44.1 or /48 HiRes album today, you cannot be sure that it is the best possible (final) version. For new albums, it's very likely that there is a master in better resolution and possibly rereleased in a view years as 24/96 or higher. For comprehensible commercial reasons, the labels avoid selling their "crown jewels" finally and another reason why they like streaming and MQA. Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 @left channel how do i send the screenshot to you? or to this thread on CA? Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 @left channel hope this works if not let me know-if it does i will be very proud of myself!! bobbmd sorry couldn't get to open so had to delete it since all my documents/pictures became available and the screenshot didnot open Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 @left channel i couldn't get the first set to open after i sent it try again Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 @left channel: my Qobuz page/it works i tried it! Hope these were helpful and I AM very proud of myself bobbmd Screen Shot 2018-02-28 at 8.21.06 PM.png.pdf Link to comment
left channel Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 @bobbmd congratulations! Thank you. Very nice images. Next time it might be easier to try saving a screen shot to disc and then dragging the file to the paperclip icon at the bottom of the post you're composing. This is very useful. What I see there is similar to what is in all third-party apps: album art, album names, and artist names. No biographies, lists of related albums, or other text content from the Qobuz website and apps, and no "Hi-Res" logos even when albums are hi-res. When you click into an album, I expect you get track names and other basic info. Am I correct? Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
wklie Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, #Yoda# said: I wouldn't buy any HiRes files from Qobuz without checking them with a proper analysis tool. Could you explain more about how to check it before buying? (Indirectly via other website databases?) Thanks. Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
wklie Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 5 hours ago, bobbmd said: I think Qobuz sounds ‘better’ than TIDAL I think there was a discussion of Tidal Masters being free of Universal watermark. I'm not sure about the latest status regarding Qobuz. https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/37676-tidal-and-watermarking-and-mqa/?do=findComment&comment=755352 Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
jhwalker Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, left channel said: @bobbmd congratulations! Thank you. Very nice images. Next time it might be easier to try saving a screen shot to disc and then dragging the file to the paperclip icon at the bottom of the post you're composing. This is very useful. What I see there is similar to what is in all third-party apps: album art, album names, and artist names. No biographies, lists of related albums, or other text content from the Qobuz website and apps, and no "Hi-Res" logos even when albums are hi-res. When you click into an album, I expect you get track names and other basic info. Am I correct? You actually get a bit more than that: . . . and if Qobuz offers a PDF booklet, you can view that, too - see the "book" icon on the upper right of the details window. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
left channel Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 @jhwalker thanks! So you do get Qobuz text content. I assume you have a France account; mine is UK so it's all in the Queen's English, or mostly English anyway. Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
rickca Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I really like the Qobuz desktop app. Rather than using squeezer or iPeng9 or even A+ I wish Sonore would support Cast on the ultraRendu. The Qobuz desktop app does support the Cast function. Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
sandston Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Boy do I wish the microrendu /ultrarendu would support cast as well. There are quite a few instances where it would be useful. I hope they are listening!!!! EtherRegen powered by Sonore UltraCap LPS1.2 -> Optical Cable ->OpticalRendu powered by SGC 50w LPS -> Ghent silver plated ->star quad USB (JSSG360)->Denafrips Hermes DDC -> i2S HDMI (Clocked by Terminator Dac via BNC)->Denafrips Terminator II Dac->Linear Tube Audio Preamplifier->Melody 845M Monoblocks -> Silversmith Fidelium Speaker Cables->Pure Audio Project Trio15 Coaxial Open Baffle Speakers->2X SVS 4000 Subwoofers->All connected to PSAudio P10 Power Plant Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, left channel said: I assume you have a France account; mine is UK so it's all in the Queen's English, or mostly English anyway. I have a French account, but the desktop app allows me to choose English. I'm sure there's a popup on your UK desktop app to choose other languages. HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
#Yoda# Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 3 hours ago, wklie said: Could you explain more about how to check it before buying? (Indirectly via other website databases?) Thanks. I cannot check the files before buying, but Qobuz usually offer a refund when I can prove my complaint with a graphic report of the tool. Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 @jhwalker in all the years i have had Qobuz i never noticed that little book on upper right corner of an album playlist-thank you Link to comment
Musicophile Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, #Yoda# said: I cannot check the files before buying, but Qobuz usually offer a refund when I can prove my complaint with a graphic report of the tool. I've had a small number of upsampled albums which Qobuz refunded immediately (their customer service is overall quite decent), but much less so in recent years. This may however be due to the fact that I mainly buy recent productions by good labels like Harmonia Mundi or ECM. I believe the false high-res problem is more often found in remasters of older albums. Did you see any pattern emerge in the false high-res albums? Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
#Yoda# Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Musicophile said: I've had a small number of upsampled albums which Qobuz refunded immediately (their customer service is overall quite decent), but much less so in recent years. This may however be due to the fact that I mainly buy recent productions by good labels like Harmonia Mundi or ECM. I believe the false high-res problem is more often found in remasters of older albums. Did you see any pattern emerge in the false high-res albums? You are right, I've downloaded less newer false HiRes albums in the past two years, but the older ones are still in their catalog. And yes, there is a pattern. Not all, but most of my upsampled albums are well known Rock/Blues/Folk albums from the 70s, rereleased as HiRes version between 2012 and 2015, usually by a Universal Music Group division. I've downloaded not so much Classical or Jazz from Qobuz.com because until I subscribed Sublime a view months ago, Highresaudio.com usually had the better prices and the better HiRes catalog for this genres anyway, not to mention the guaranteed quality. Link to comment
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