left channel Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 @Musicophile I know Audirvana is good but I prefer to stream Qobuz via LMS to Squeezelite-X and other Squeezy streamers. The software is free and well-supported, an ASIO driver sounds particularly good on my Windows boxes, and streaming via my other endpoints sounds great too.@mav52 when I do use the official Qobuz Windows app it's not as zippy as the Tidal app, especially on a low-power fanless PC I recently added as an endpoint in my media room. Other users have more complaints, but I think the app is great, it just requires too many system resources. We're told the Qobuz devs are working on that. Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
BrokeLinuxPhile Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Been lurking for while, finally signed up here. Have had my Qobuz usa acct for a week now. So far so good, but wrinkles just need ironing out. I am an exclusive linux user and that's where I'm seeing the only downsides to Qobuz so far over Tidal. No app, which is fine by me, used to that with Tidal and everything else. But haven't got firefox or chrome to behave right with the web player yet. I set the output to hi-res (have studio acct), select hi-res track and play. Bottom of screen shows the correct hi res format detected...but if you poke around in the /proc/asound directory to see what ALSA is actually doing....it's hard set at 44100 and won't budge no matter how I try to get around it. Runs great through LMS/squeezelite on linux though with one huge exception: pause doesn't work. You pause/hit play and track starts over at beginning, local files and tidal don't that. Don't know who to blame for that one yet, it could be Qobuz, could be LMS, could be the LMS plugin. Been lazy and haven't debugged it yet. Way better for me than Tidal. Sound quality like everyone keeps saying is superior, really hear it with tracks mixed heavy in reverb or echo. I'm doing way less fiddling with resampling/filters/etc to get the sound the way i like it. I'm more of a rock/prog/metal listener....good catalogs there in case anyone is wondering. Finding a LOT of 96khz+ content and it sounds really good. The tidal metal streams are just nowhere near as good. Link to comment
left channel Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 @BrokeLinuxPhile welcome! I agree, sounds great. That LMS pause problem happens on Windows too, and is worth asking about in the Qobuz plugin thread over on the slimdevices forum. And I don't mean to knock the tech chops of the folks here, but you'd probably get more responses on the ALSA issue on slimdevices too. But the web player not working in Linux, that's worth asking the Qobuz reps about in the official Official Qobuz Issues thread on this forum. I'll be interested to see if they're willing to support Linux. Glad to hear from another Qobuz fan! Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
wgscott Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I got my beta trial membership two days before it goes public. First thing I tried was to use it in Audirvana. It plays for like 20 seconds and then freezes and starts qobuzzing. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, wgscott said: I got my beta trial membership two days before it goes public. First thing I tried was to use it in Audirvana. It plays for like 20 seconds and then freezes and starts qobuzzing. Are you trying all the DSP stuff with it, or starting out simple? Works nicely here. Sample track you're trying to play, just to check it's not something A+ doesn't like about it/them in particular? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
phosphorein Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, wgscott said: I got my beta trial membership two days before it goes public. First thing I tried was to use it in Audirvana. It plays for like 20 seconds and then freezes and starts qobuzzing. Echoing Jud here. I haven't seen any glitches yet with A+, but I am not applying any DSP to the signal. Only a simple signal path from Mac Pro to Kii Control... Link to comment
Jud Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, BrokeLinuxPhile said: Been lurking for while, finally signed up here. Have had my Qobuz usa acct for a week now. So far so good, but wrinkles just need ironing out. I am an exclusive linux user and that's where I'm seeing the only downsides to Qobuz so far over Tidal. No app, which is fine by me, used to that with Tidal and everything else. But haven't got firefox or chrome to behave right with the web player yet. I set the output to hi-res (have studio acct), select hi-res track and play. Bottom of screen shows the correct hi res format detected...but if you poke around in the /proc/asound directory to see what ALSA is actually doing....it's hard set at 44100 and won't budge no matter how I try to get around it. Windows web player is the same AFAICT (limited to 16/44.1). I'll go over to Linux in a minute here and see about pause. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, BrokeLinuxPhile said: So far so good, but wrinkles just need ironing out. I am an exclusive linux user and that's where I'm seeing the only downsides to Qobuz so far over Tidal. Runs great through LMS/squeezelite on linux though with one huge exception: pause doesn't work. You pause/hit play and track starts over at beginning, local files and tidal don't that. Don't know who to blame for that one yet, it could be Qobuz, could be LMS, could be the LMS plugin. Been lazy and haven't debugged it yet. 4 minutes ago, Jud said: Windows web player is the same AFAICT (limited to 16/44.1). I'll go over to Linux in a minute here and see about pause. Whoops, sorry, I see you were talking about LMS/squeezelite on Linux. I'm using the web player, following the directions here: https://nuvola.tiliado.eu/app/qobuz/ubuntu/ Pause works fine in that setup. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
wgscott Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 15 hours ago, Jud said: Are you trying all the DSP stuff with it, or starting out simple? Works nicely here. Sample track you're trying to play, just to check it's not something A+ doesn't like about it/them in particular? I turned off everything. Problem persists. Am I supposed to give them my credit card for the free trial? Maybe it is just skipping around free demo samples or something. Link to comment
Popular Post Bob Stern Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, wgscott said: Am I supposed to give them my credit card for the free trial? Maybe it is just skipping around free demo samples or something. Yes. Without a credit card on file you have an account but not a streaming subscription. The account allows you to purchase downloads, but you need a streaming subscription to listen to entire tracks. You can cancel your subscription before the one month free trial ends, and you'll keep your account so you can still buy downloads. Jud, wgscott and Sal1950 1 2 HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
Popular Post BrokeLinuxPhile Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2019 18 hours ago, left channel said: @BrokeLinuxPhile welcome! I agree, sounds great. That LMS pause problem happens on Windows too, and is worth asking about in the Qobuz plugin thread over on the slimdevices forum. And I don't mean to knock the tech chops of the folks here, but you'd probably get more responses on the ALSA issue on slimdevices too. But the web player not working in Linux, that's worth asking the Qobuz reps about in the official Official Qobuz Issues thread on this forum. I'll be interested to see if they're willing to support Linux. Glad to hear from another Qobuz fan! Volumio works completely as expected, but i'm trying to get away from the concept of paying for a service just to be able to access another paid service. Love the fact you can download the entire source code and tweak away, but hate that I have to pay a few bucks a month just to access Tidal or Qobuz. LMS has the same functionality, sound quality between two open to debate and i can get streaming access for free. I'll take a bug or two if it's free to stream from already paid for services, not a big deal for me. 14 hours ago, Jud said: Whoops, sorry, I see you were talking about LMS/squeezelite on Linux. I'm using the web player, following the directions here: https://nuvola.tiliado.eu/app/qobuz/ubuntu/ Pause works fine in that setup. Pause/seek are only annoying to me if I'm trying to learn a piece of music on guitar, otherwise I listen all the way through a track. Using Qobuz only for listening right now, so going to stick w/ LMS for the time being. Seen mentions from Qobuz directly way, way back about coming out with official linux support "soon" but we never saw an offical app release from them. But that's pretty much par for the course for direct linux support on any service out there. Been on linux for over a decade so I'm used to the neglect. All things considered, i'm not going to need much more convincing to ditch Tidal. Sound quality trumps all and Qobuz wins. left channel and Jud 2 Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted February 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Bob Stern said: Yes. Without a credit card on file you have an account but not a streaming subscription. The account allows you to purchase downloads, but you need a streaming subscription to listen to entire tracks. You can cancel your subscription before the one month free trial ends, and you'll keep your account so you can still buy downloads. Works a bit better now. Thanks! mav52, Jud and Sal1950 2 1 Link to comment
rando Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Looks like we can close this one before it turns into "The Qobuz Issues Support Group Thread For The Wayward And Ignored." Not going to post another screencap. Open Beta has been superceded by Try It Free. dmackta 1 Link to comment
mav52 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, rando said: Looks like we can close this one before it turns into "The Qobuz Issues Support Group Thread For The Wayward And Ignored." Not going to post another screencap. Open Beta has been superceded by Try It Free. Thats for sure rando 1 The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
left channel Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Yes. I started this thread before Qobuz had any reps in the US or any communication with potential customers here. That is no longer the case. Also, they launched today. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/high-res-music-service-qobuz-launches-in-the-u-s-793983/ rando 1 Everyone wants to date my avatar. Link to comment
Popular Post Melvin Posted February 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2019 Signed up for a trial after seeing the "Try It Free" ad change. Streaming via mconnect/mRendu .. sounds wonderful so far. Jud, dmackta and left channel 1 2 Link to comment
Bones13 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I have not had issues running the Qobuz beta on either of my Roon installations, nor my other pair of Auirvana+ (windows10) installs on laptops. Looking forward to the end of beta, so the Sonos implementation will come out. I already cancelled Tidal. [Home Digital] MSB Premier DAC > Modright LS300 > Atma-Sphere "Class D" Monoblocks > Daedalus Audio Muse Studio Speakers [Home Analog] Technics SL-1200G > Boulder 508 (Benz Glider SL) [Office] Laptop > Kitsune R2R lvl3 > Violectric V281 > Meze Liric / Meze Elite [Travel] Laptop/iPad -> Focal Bathys Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted February 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just saw that Qobuz US has an extensive number of the old Everest recordings from the late 50's and early 60's. For those not familiar, these were mostly recorded on 3 channel 35mm magnetic film, not regular tape, which gave them much greater dynamic range, less wow and flutter, and wider frequency response than was possible at the time on tape. So the sound is fantastic (for some of them you won't believe they are old recordings) and most of the performances are by top notch artists giving good performances. The LSO/LSO Live label releases are also starting to appear in greater numbers. Just good stuff. mourip, Jud, PYP and 1 other 1 3 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
austinpop Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Not sure if this is the right place, but I just saw something that really galled me. Linn Records announced they are going to start streaming their catalog for the first time on ... Apple Music. (see email blast below). I've sent them feedback urging them to partner with Qobuz and stream in hi-res as well. Given their high-end roots, their anti-MQA stance, and their excellent recording engineering, it's a natural fit. They need to hear from more of us. Please feel free to email them at Linn Records <[email protected]> ==================== Linn Records Is Now On Apple Music Want to listen to albums in full? Discover hand-picked selections that will ensure many hours of contented listening? Visit Linn Records' Curator Profile on Apple Music to enjoy exclusive playlists or stream one of over four hundred albums from start to finish. This is the first time our complete catalog has been available to stream. If you're not sure where to start, try one of our seven curated playlists, each designed to introduce you to our artists and repertoire. We are thrilled to introduce conductor Robin Ticciati as our first Guest Curator. Robin has compiled an exclusive playlist which gives an insight into his own personal tastes as well as charting his work with orchestras such as the SCO, DSO Berlin and SRSO. =================== left channel 1 My Audio Setup Link to comment
bobbmd Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 @Musicophile agree with your post #350 but i find the selections seem different than desktop app for both TIDAL and Qobuz ie a playlist called MODERN DAY OUTLAWS on TIDAL desktop app doesn't appear on ROON or A+3(for TIDAL) similar omissions occur on A+3 compared to Qobuz desktop app not a really big deal just an observation Musicophile 1 Link to comment
bobbmd Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 @AudioDoctor sorry for late reply to your #326 post - my RAM is OK what i did do was go back on ROON backups and restored back to FEB 13th when my problem(s) started it took 1/2 to full day but everything came back and loading speed was 'faster' after continued looong initial loading still weird inconsistencies on ROON with Qobuz but i can live with them and am sure they will work themselves out Link to comment
Popular Post iamoneagain Posted February 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2019 Looks like they are making good on bringing in indie labels. Saw 4AD, Rough Trade, Beggers Banquet show up today. Love that you can view the label of an album and then it shows their full catalog. Found a lot of albums I never favorited on Tidal. I’ve been running Soundliz each Friday and then doing deeper diver look at the labels in the Qobuz. It’s kind hard of figuring out what the duplicate albums are about but can sort that out in roon and make the right one the primary album. dmackta and left channel 1 1 Link to comment
iamoneagain Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 So you can do a search by record label within Qobuz app. In roon it does a focus and only shows the albums you’ve already added. So I do have an issue with all the new additions, all the one that say hi-res, are only cd quality for streaming. Not sure if this is a mistake or these labels only allow hi-res downloads. If it’s the latter, heard this will be fixed in roon in the future. Kind of sucks to have so many hi-res albums the can’t be streamed. Link to comment
mourip Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I have a question regarding Qobuz. It is probably more of a Roon question but I have not found the Roon forums to be very helpful for Qobuz questions. What actually happens when I chose to add an album from Qobuz to my "Library"? Is this just a link that now appears along with my own local material viewed through the Roon interface? ... Or does Qobuz download the actual files to my local library(hard drive) as if I owned them, at least as long as I subscribe to Qobuz? I am considering starting to do this so that my playlists in the Roon interface can have an "Album view" for my Qobuz material rather than the very balky "track view" that we currently have when looking at Qobuz playlists in the Roon app.... Basically I am struggling with the very different way that playlists in the Roon application are handled by Qobuz. "Don't Believe Everything You Think" System Link to comment
firedog Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 49 minutes ago, mourip said: I have a question regarding Qobuz. It is probably more of a Roon question but I have not found the Roon forums to be very helpful for Qobuz questions. What actually happens when I chose to add an album from Qobuz to my "Library"? Is this just a link that now appears along with my own local material viewed through the Roon interface? ... Or does Qobuz download the actual files to my local library(hard drive) as if I owned them, at least as long as I subscribe to Qobuz? I am considering starting to do this so that my playlists in the Roon interface can have an "Album view" for my Qobuz material rather than the very balky "track view" that we currently have when looking at Qobuz playlists in the Roon app.... Basically I am struggling with the very different way that playlists in the Roon application are handled by Qobuz. When you add a Qobuz album to your Roon library, it does not get downloaded to your computer. For that you have to buy it from Qobuz and download it to your music library folder on your server. Adding a Qobuz streaming album to your Roon library means that Roon treats it as if it was part of your library folder when searching and sorting, etc. That means it’s always “handy” in Roon for you and displays as if it was on your HD. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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