Fitzcaraldo215 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yes, well, a bunch of audiophiles in a forum are always much more intelligent, discerning, truthful, honest, free of bias, factual, clear in their understanding, etc., etc. than some blooming, peer-reviewed scientist. Link to comment
davide256 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 10:21 AM, NOMBEDES said: You well may be correct that KOB was remastered with more care, however, there are thousands of complaints posted on various audio/music sites concerning upsampled music passed off as high quality, high resolution, higher cost product. As I stated above, if you can hear a difference......enjoy! I suppose I'm the canary in the goldmine... a lot of CD quality recordings are painful to listen to because of digital filter effects. A high rez 96/24 recording is welcome Novocain for those recordings Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Speedskater said: About 400 hundred posts on the "A Meta-Analysis of High Resolution Audio Perceptual Evaluation" paper. https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,112204.0.html I wasn't asking for posts on the internet - publications as in an article in a scientific or engineering journal. Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 12/8/2017 at 12:33 PM, davide256 said: I suppose I'm the canary in the goldmine... a lot of CD quality recordings are painful to listen to because of digital filter effects. A high rez 96/24 recording is welcome Novocain for those recordings Good Point! Here is a quote from the "most interesting man in the world": " I don't listen to vinyl all the time, but when I want to enjoy music, I listen to vinyl......" or something like that. In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2017 "I don't always listen to vinyl, but when I do, I do it for the cost and the inconvenience." phosphorein and marce 1 1 Link to comment
NOMBEDES Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 @mansr Here is a photo of my computer audio system, oh wait....'tis a photo of my office vinyl system NEXT to my computer for inconvenience. In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake ~ Sayre's Law Link to comment
semente Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 07/12/2017 at 8:01 AM, firedog said: Uh, the KOB hi-res remasters are also better sounding even if you convert them to Redbook. They simply are a superior mastering done with more care and attention to detail than the typical versions you come across. Anyone can hear a difference. How much money that is worth to you is a different question. What or who is KOB? "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
kumakuma Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, semente said: What or who is KOB? Kind of Blue Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
semente Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Kind of Blue Thanks. "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted December 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Kind of Blue If you don't have at least 3 versions on each of vinyl, CD, hires PCM, and DSD, you're not a true audiophile. kumakuma, NOMBEDES, semente and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Speedskater Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/8/2017 at 3:05 PM, Ralf11 said: I wasn't asking for posts on the internet - publications as in an article in a scientific or engineering journal. I'm no longer a member of AES or IEEE so I don't have access to their publications. But seldom in the past were there responses to published papers. There are no faults in the paper of it's own work, all the questions were about the quality of the old papers that they referenced. Link to comment
esldude Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/4/2017 at 7:46 PM, esldude said: Why does no one comment on the obvious distortion on KOB? It is a great recording, and one of my all time favorites. But it has some distortion in places. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
firedog Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 5 hours ago, esldude said: Why does no one comment on the obvious distortion on KOB? It is a great recording, and one of my all time favorites. But it has some distortion in places. True, but the 2013 hi-res has MUCH less than my CD and LP versions from the 70"s. For example, the opening of "So What" has very distorted horns on both of those, but in the high res it is much less noticeable/much reduced. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Fitzcaraldo215 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Speedskater said: I'm no longer a member of AES or IEEE so I don't have access to their publications. But seldom in the past were there responses to published papers. There are no faults in the paper of it's own work, all the questions were about the quality of the old papers that they referenced. I do not disagree. But, if you look closely, it is the older tests that tended to find no difference with hirez and pull down the overall average. Older tests were also often less fully descriptive of their test methodology than newer ones, hence possibly flawed. Newer tests also tended more to use pre-test training of subjects, which objectively improved discrimination, as Reiss shows. Then, he also devotes a section the deeply flawed Meyer-Moran study of over a decade ago. There were also numerous professional criticisms of that paper at the AES site and elsewhere, prompting Meyer to admit finally that his was not really a scientific study. Yet, many audiophiles cite it as gospel which supports their bias. So, again, the Reiss paper does a very good job of assembling and summarizing the available research. I personally and anecdotally find hirez with native hirez recordings to offer small but noticeable subjective improvements over RBCD resolution. It is not a slam dunk, obvious improvement, and really makes little difference with analog masters. So, I am quite comfortable with his summary conclusions. Link to comment
semente Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 hours ago, mansr said: If you don't have at least 3 versions on each of vinyl, CD, hires PCM, and DSD, you're not a true audiophile. Sh*t!!! "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
semente Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 9 hours ago, esldude said: Why does no one comment on the obvious distortion on KOB? It is a great recording, and one of my all time favorites. But it has some distortion in places. It's a great performance, the recording is not even as good as some of it's contemporaries. Yet some people use it to test their systems... "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
davide256 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, semente said: It's a great performance, the recording is not even as good as some of it's contemporaries. Yet some people use it to test their systems... Hmm, I guess the only way to know for sure its an imperfection is to go listen to it on a $500k system Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
fas42 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 15 hours ago, esldude said: Why does no one comment on the obvious distortion on KOB? It is a great recording, and one of my all time favorites. But it has some distortion in places. Which distortion? Are we talking about the spit sound from the horns that I note is discussed elsewhere? Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now