Best CPU for hqplayer

[fishflower]

i run it in win10 ,ubuntu, and run hqplayer-embedded with usb disk.

thank you !

[fishflower]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/205607/intel-nuc-11-pro-kit-nuc11tnkv7/specifications.html

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1631696-REG/intel_bnuc11tnhi70001_nuc11tnhi7_tall_pro_kit.html

https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-004K-013Y1?Description=intel nuc 11&cm_re=intel_nuc 11-_-1VK-004K-013Y1-_-Product&quicklink=true

[fishflower]

To correct this, I downloaded hqplayer-embedded-4.23.1-x64 this morning and wrote it into M2 nvme. I found that dsd256 7ec XTR stopped every 50 seconds or so. so sorry!　my pc is nuc11 i7 pro.

[fishflower]

After testing, hqplayer-embedded-4.22.3-x64 can run smoothly for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. which is interesting, it can continue to stop for half a second. Ha ha, anyway, it's better to play it than not. thank you.

[Miska]

8 hours ago, fishflower said:

After testing, hqplayer-embedded-4.22.3-x64 can run smoothly for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. which is interesting, it can continue to stop for half a second. Ha ha, anyway, it's better to play it than not. thank you.

 

Sounds like thermal throttling when CPU temperature increases due to load.

 

[fishflower]

12 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Sounds like thermal throttling when CPU temperature increases due to load.

 

 The cooling fan of the machine is not good? I'm going to refit the cooling fan. thank you.

[Miska]

10 minutes ago, fishflower said:

 The cooling fan of the machine is not good? I'm going to refit the cooling fan. thank you.

 

Also depends on your BIOS settings. At least earlier NUC BIOS had setting for fan profile, like "silent" and "performance":

 

[lmitche]

15 hours ago, fishflower said:

After testing, hqplayer-embedded-4.22.3-x64 can run smoothly for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. which is interesting, it can continue to stop for half a second. Ha ha, anyway, it's better to play it than not. thank you.

Try running the OS and Hqplayerd from a ramdisk. This can make the difference between stuttering and smooth performance.

[fishflower]

On 6/3/2021 at 7:27 PM, Miska said:

 

Also depends on your BIOS settings. At least earlier NUC BIOS had setting for fan profile, like "silent" and "performance":

 

That's true. The fan is set to cooling, now it's OK. Thank you!

22 hours ago, lmitche said:

Try running the OS and Hqplayerd from a ramdisk. This can make the difference between stuttering and smooth performance.

I don't know how to set up ramdisk,thank you!

[fishflower]

It is said that win11 will be released on June 24, waiting for you😍

[luisma]

Just finished building and testing a new HQPe server for a friend.

The build has:

 

• i5-11600K
• Noctua NH-D15
• Z590 Asrock Pro4
• Seasonic fanless 600W
• Fractal Define 7

 

OC Profile 5.1 GHz

• CPU Ratio: 51
• AVX2 Ratio Offset: 2
• AVX-512 Ratio Offset: 2
• Long Duration Power Limit: 180W
• Long Duration Maintained: 80s
• DRAM XMP 2.0 Profile 1 - DDR4-2666 13-15-15-35 1.35V
• Voltage Mode: OC Mode
• CPU Core / Cache Voltage: 1.52
• CPU Core Cable Load Line Calibration: Level 1

 

Everything else on default / Auto

 

I can run all filters at DSD256 ASDM7EC with the exception of Sinc-L

If I don't OC then in addition to Sinc-L I can't do Sinc-Mx

 

With no load

 

When running Sinc-Mx

 

Highest Temp

Normally

 

I don't have the package Watts but from previous testing I know it oscillates between 98W and 115W max

 

Only with high load and doing stressing with other software I can get to 209W, but not under HQP, the system is stable at 5.1, I haven't seen more than 1.409V under stress, 1.52V it is just to be on the safe side.

 

Tried Ubuntu 20.04.2, Windows and AL.

• With AL I run into issues with Sinc-L, Sinc-Mx and even Closed-Form16M but I haven't optimized AL. The NIC was detected automatically
• With Windows I can't do Sinc-Mx without stutter. Not optimized Windows of course just fresh install with High Performance Power Plan
• Honestly Ubuntu is the best OS for achieving playing these filters with no interruptions, also more stable than Windows under 5.1 OC load.

With Ubuntu either the generic kernel nor the jl last kernel will show the I219-V Intel onboard adapter, this was disappointing as I assumed the Ubuntu generic kernel will always work with Intel chipset cards. Intel doesn't have a specific Linux driver for this, neither does ASROCK.

For any of you running I219-V or Z570 boards with onboard Intel that might run into this issue I posted the resolution here:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1344156/ubuntu-20-04-2-and-onboard-intel-i219-v

 

Summarizing, while I'm still waiting for the 12th Gen Intel or next gen AMD to be released for the cost the core i5 provides impressive results especially with a little overclock allowing you to run ALL FILTERS (except Sinc-L) at 256 7EC.

With my 5600X although I can get decent results since I went passive I can't OC and I have to spend more money too on CPU and board to be able to run all filters and possibly convolution.

 

This is for a friend, my next build will use the latest AMD most likely and definitely active build with Noctua or BeQuiet (the BeQuiet cooler is actually nicer, smaller and silent than the Noctua) but couldn't use the Pro version on LGA1200.

 

My friend Jim will be ecstatic when he can do these modulators and filters on his system

 

No CUDA or AMD offloading performed yet but the board will surely support it.

 

 

[luisma]

I'm listening to the Rumours - Fleetwood Mac 44.1 kHz, a recording I know well and I'm listening through my headphones testing the system, there are things there in that recording that I have never heard before with such detail, this is incredible

[luisma]

Previous post correction.

 

Board is Z590M Pro4 which has I219-V

the Z590 Pro4 has a Dragon NIC onboard.

[Triplefun]

Hi

 

I just read this interesting discussion on HQPlayer vs Chord Hugo MScaler.

I don't know if the author has been in touch but he is having problems with HQPlayer DSD upsampling ..

 

"none of the “EC” modes worked without hiccups or dropouts. All sinc-L combos with x512 didn’t work. Maybe I’m missing something here (maybe I should RTFM). As mentioned, this is a $5,000+ very high-performance PC."

 

he has a good PC ..

 

PC Specs:

24-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X (water-cooled)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090
64GB of DDR4 RAM
All NVMe drives
ROG Zenith II Extreme Alpha motherboard

 

 

[Triplefun]

apologies, I forgot to add the link ..

 

HQPlayer - Better Than a $5,000 Upscaler? - Audio Bacon

[ted_b]

Sounds like user error. I will read his article later. I do ec7 with a tenth of his cpu power

[Miska]

23 hours ago, luisma said:

With Ubuntu either the generic kernel nor the jl last kernel will show the I219-V Intel onboard adapter, this was disappointing as I assumed the Ubuntu generic kernel will always work with Intel chipset cards. Intel doesn't have a specific Linux driver for this, neither does ASROCK.

 

It works if you install the recommended "linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04" meta-package. This "hardware enablement" package adds support for bunch of newer hardware that the older kernels lack support for.

 

It likely also works with my latest 5.10 based custom kernel.

 

23 hours ago, luisma said:

I can run all filters at DSD256 ASDM7EC with the exception of Sinc-L

If I don't OC then in addition to Sinc-L I can't do Sinc-Mx

 

Worth trying both package builds on this hardware.

 

With the regular build you get AVX-512 support. With the "amd" build you won't, but still full AVX2 support. And somewhat different workload distribution in above cases.

 

[Miska]

35 minutes ago, Triplefun said:

I just read this interesting discussion on HQPlayer vs Chord Hugo MScaler.

I don't know if the author has been in touch but he is having problems with HQPlayer DSD upsampling ..

 

"none of the “EC” modes worked without hiccups or dropouts. All sinc-L combos with x512 didn’t work. Maybe I’m missing something here (maybe I should RTFM). As mentioned, this is a $5,000+ very high-performance PC."

 

he has a good PC ..

 

PC Specs:

24-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X (water-cooled)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090
64GB of DDR4 RAM
All NVMe drives
ROG Zenith II Extreme Alpha motherboard

 

The CPU is not necessarily best choice, since it has limited clock speeds due to high core counts. But certainly with this CPU and HQPlayer you need to use Linux as OS and the AMD optimized build. Otherwise performance will suffer.

 

For offloading those sinc filters to the GPU, the Nvidia driver needs to be new enough (>= v465). Otherwise CUDA doesn't become active (pay attention to check HQPlayer interface or nvidia-smi that it actually becomes active). And of course the HQPlayer build needs to be CUDA-enabled (Ubuntu or Windows build).

 

[luisma]

20 hours ago, Miska said:

It works if you install the recommended "linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04" meta-package.

will try it out

20 hours ago, Miska said:

Worth trying both package builds on this hardware.

will try both AMD and INTEL

 

[luisma]

2 hours ago, luisma said:

Worth trying both package builds on this hardware

Better performance still with Intel than the AMD package on the Intel 11th Gen 11600K, but thanks for the tip

 

 

[MikePid]

I have recently set up a headless Mac mini M1 (8GB) solely for HQPlayer. I get RBCD > DSD256 with ASDM5EC and ext3 easily (about 75% overall CPU) and the box doesn’t even get warm, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard the fan yet. I have to step down to ext2 for ASDM7EC though (uses just under 50% CPU).  I also use HQPlayer NAA on ultraRendu so maybe that helps too. 

 

The ability to go from non-EC to EC is like upgrading my DAC!  A huge improvement in sound for my system!  
 

For the price and ease of setup (no BIOS or other tinkering other than not enabling services like Siri, Spotlight, iCloud, TimeMachine, etc.) it is a great solution for me. 
 

I set up screen sharing and have a window on my laptop (which is my Roon Core too) if I want to play with filters, EQ, etc. but mostly it runs by itself. I can use HQPDCONTROL on my iPad too. 

[chipvn]

I have finally completed my passive dedicated computer (separated Roon Core as well as separate NAA) for HQP based on below configuration:

 

1. HDplex H3V3 case (modified to use both side heatsink instead of stock casing using only 1 side) with HDplex 200W power supply.

2. Core i7-9700 with 16GB Crucial Ballistix 3600CL16 RAM and Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250GB SSD, Gigabyte Z390i Pro mainboard.

3. CPU set fix as 4GHz all cores, AVX offset 1, undervolt -0.055V inside BIOS. With this, when running high load like upsampling from PCM192 to DSD256 x44.1 with ext2 filter and ASDM7EC modulator, CPU package power is around 32W.

4. HQP desktop v4.11.2 AMD version on Ubuntu 20.04.2 desktop.

 

When idle, CPU temperature is about 41oC (room temperature about 28-30oC).

 

When running ext3 (for 1x) / ASDM5EC / 48kHz to DSD256 x44.1 below is the load and temperature after about 1 hour:

 

 

 

When running ext2 (for Nx)  / ASDM5EC / 192kHz to DSD256 x44.1 below is the load and temperature after about 1.5 hours:

 

 

 

Overall, with underclock/undervolt Core i7-9700, I still can run quite a number of filters with EC5/EC7 modulator at DSD256 x44.1 (my DAC is ESS Saber base that's why I use EC5), included Sinc-M, Sinc-S or the new Sinc-xtr-short-mp (on 4.12.0) with temperature is controlled well below max70oC (average 60-65oC) on my modified HDPlex H3V3 passive case.

 

Thank Miska for a very nice software.

[luisma]

On 6/7/2021 at 5:55 PM, Miska said:

It works if you install the recommended "linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04" meta-package. This "hardware enablement" package adds support for bunch of newer hardware that the older kernels lack support for.

Yes it does work, "sudo apt install linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04" supports the Intel I219-V driver present on the Z590M boards.

[fishflower]

Miska

 When to upgrade kernel? Some time ago, I tried to install Gentoo player and found that it already supports 2.5G network port. I'm looking forward to it. Its kernel is set above version 11.It can be installed with hqplayer embedded， it's too complicated. but I still think it is simple, stable and pleasant to directly install.

 

　　　　

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[Miska]

21 hours ago, fishflower said:

Miska

 When to upgrade kernel? Some time ago, I tried to install Gentoo player and found that it already supports 2.5G network port. I'm looking forward to it. Its kernel is set above version 11.It can be installed with hqplayer embedded， it's too complicated. but I still think it is simple, stable and pleasant to directly install.

 

　　　　

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