Best CPU for hqplayer

[teera_ash]

Please also give me a link for v 4.1.1.  Thanks.

[andygaof]

@Miska

 

more test in my home

 

Heard that intel CPU is better. I make a new PC with Intel 9700K, 8G*2 DDR4-3600, GIGABYTE Z390 M GAMING motherboard.

 

But, I get the excactly same result as my AMD 3700X system.

 

1. if the HQ version is 4.2.3 or 4.3, I can't play with poly-sinc-xtr-lp ADSM7EC. CPU performance capature below.

 

 

2. if the HQ version is 4.1.1 or 4.2,  I can't play with poly-sinc-xtr-lp ADSM7EC as well. but the music stop is not as much as 4.2.3 or 4.3. the cpu performance capture below.

 

 

3. once I open LOL, just open the login page. I get perfect music. the cpu performance capture below. the only defference between Intel 9700K and AMD 3700X is 9700K cpu utilization is about 94%, 3700x is about 100%.

 

 

 

 

[andygaof]

addtional information. both system is on windows 10 pro. and not actived. just active the 3700x one. still get the same result.

 

both system can run aida system stability test for more than one hour., 100% CPU and Memory usage during the test.

[Miska]

10 minutes ago, andygaof said:

@Miska

 

more test in my home

 

Heard that intel CPU is better. I make a new PC with Intel 9700K, 8G*2 DDR4-3600, GIGABYTE Z390 M GAMING motherboard.

 

But, I get the excactly same result as my AMD 3700X system.

 

1. if the HQ version is 4.2.3 or 4.3, I can't play with poly-sinc-xtr-lp ADSM7EC. CPU performance capature below.

 

 

2. if the HQ version is 4.1.1 or 4.2,  I can't play with poly-sinc-xtr-lp ADSM7EC as well. but the music stop is not as much as 4.2.3 or 4.3. the cpu performance capture below.

 

 

3. once I open LOL, just open the login page. I get perfect music. the cpu performance capture below. the only defference between Intel 9700K and AMD 3700X is 9700K cpu utilization is about 94%, 3700x is about 100%.

 

 

 

 

 

For 4.3, please make sure to download the 4.3.0.1 build (check the About-dialog). If you have 4.3.0, please go and refresh the product page and download again, the package name should have "4301" version on it.

 

 

Here are my load figures for poly-sinc-xtr-lp + ASDM7:

 

If the game affects things, please check that you have "High Performance" or "Ultimate Performance" power profile selected in Windows. Otherwise the OS may decide to start power savings during playback thinking that it doesn't need to run at full power (I had this problem with i7-6950X).

 

[andygaof]

it's my power setting, High performace. I do not found Ultimate Performance option in my windows.

 

[Miska]

1 minute ago, andygaof said:

it's my power setting, High performace. I do not found Ultimate Performance option in my windows.

 

That should be fine. Normally Ultimate Performance is available only on Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. But with some internet search you can find how to enable it on normal Windows 10 Pro through registry modification.

 

[andygaof]

the ultimate performance option is much better than high performance. but still have some stop. Open the LOL login page have no stop at all. confusing.

 

[StreamFidelity]

57 minutes ago, andygaof said:

1. if the HQ version is 4.2.3 or 4.3, I can't play with poly-sinc-xtr-lp ADSM7EC. 

 

I tried this filter and had a very long initialization (about 1 minute). Then every 3 seconds the music was played with dropouts. I'm using build 4.3.0.1!

 

 

My favorite filter is Poly-Sync-Shrt-lp. That works fine.

[andygaof]

try your image with embedded version. no stop at all. 

[Miska]

10 minutes ago, andygaof said:

the ultimate performance option is much better than high performance. but still have some stop. Open the LOL login page have no stop at all. confusing.

 

Sounds like Windows power management playing it's games again...

 

[andygaof]

Just now, Miska said:

 

Sounds like Windows power management playing it's games again...

 

confirm that 4.3.0.1 has no improve. even open the LOL login page

 

[andygaof]

this show before and after I open LOL login page. before open LOL you can see lots of very sharp raise and drop. but it's diapperaed after open LOL login page.  

 

 

[andygaof]

one more update. for somebody told me that the multithreads is not good for upsampling, so I disable multithreads in the beginning. just try enable multithreads.

 

3700x can do great job when OC to 4.2G in my setup. 3700x, 8*2G DDR4-3200 OC 3600, ASROCK X570M pro4 motherboard. without LOL login page opened. and HQ version must be 4.2 or 4.1.1.

 

the CPU usage is 50%-64%, ROON and HQ are both running.

 

 

below is the AMD Ryzen Master Setup and power plan setup.  The AMD Ryzen High performance option come with ADM Ryzen Master.

 

 

 

 

[Miska]

5 hours ago, andygaof said:

one more update. for somebody told me that the multithreads is not good for upsampling, so I disable multithreads in the beginning. just try enable multithreads.

 

3700x can do great job when OC to 4.2G in my setup. 3700x, 8*2G DDR4-3200 OC 3600, ASROCK X570M pro4 motherboard. without LOL login page opened. and HQ version must be 4.2 or 4.1.1.

 

the CPU usage is 50%-64%, ROON and HQ are both running.

 

 

below is the AMD Ryzen Master Setup and power plan setup.  The AMD Ryzen High performance option come with ADM Ryzen Master.

 

 

 

 

 

HQPlayer takes threaded CPUs into account in it's workload distribution. So there is no reason to disable that feature. It especially helps when OS is running multiple processes and threads. It cuts the time spent in context switching to half, which is not so much as amount, but it still matters.

 

It is likely be that Ryzen Master does similar messing around as the Turbo Boost Max utility from Intel. IOW, screwing up the thread affinity assignments done by HQPlayer. When OS decides to migrate threads between CPUs, you have fairly large performance hit/latency at that moment. But these utilities don't understand that they are dealing with a realtime process...

 

[Miska]

If you can spare a partition or a separate disk, you could try to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS or Fedora Workstation 31 and try HQPlayer there for comparison. You can create a separate EFI boot partition on a separate drive to avoid mixing with Windows. Also don't create a swap partition although installer complains about it, it is totally unnecessary and harmful thing with modern computers. You can then use BIOS's boot menu hot key at boot to select which one to boot.

[andygaof]

3 minutes ago, Miska said:

If you can spare a partition or a separate disk, you could try to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS or Fedora Workstation 31 and try HQPlayer there for comparison. You can create a separate EFI boot partition on a separate drive to avoid mixing with Windows. Also don't create a swap partition although installer complains about it, it is totally unnecessary and harmful thing with modern computers. You can then use BIOS's boot menu hot key at boot to select which one to boot.

 Thanks Miska,

 

I will try Ubuntu tomorrow. But, I am really planning to move to Archlinux, I more like the IRQ in archlinux compare Ubuntu. But, I am still in some trouble to enable the LXQT or other desktop env in ArchLinux. HQPlayer Embedded work well in ArchLinux. For the license issue, you know, I have multiple PC. and embedded version only can install the license to one them. So, I give up embedded version.

 

Do you think you can licensing the embedded version by IP? I mean if multiple PC from same Public IP, you can treated them as one license. Then I can use embedded version. it's better than desktop version in any test case in my home. I really do not like the desktop env.

[Miska]

2 hours ago, andygaof said:

I will try Ubuntu tomorrow. But, I am really planning to move to Archlinux, I more like the IRQ in archlinux compare Ubuntu. But, I am still in some trouble to enable the LXQT or other desktop env in ArchLinux. HQPlayer Embedded work well in ArchLinux. For the license issue, you know, I have multiple PC. and embedded version only can install the license to one them. So, I give up embedded version.

 

That is something unsupported then, just don't ask me anything about it, I don't want to know...

 

If you want lighter weight Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio 18.04 LTS is fine.

 

But my suggestion was about HQPlayer Desktop, not Embedded in this case.

 

2 hours ago, andygaof said:

Do you think you can licensing the embedded version by IP? I mean if multiple PC from same Public IP, you can treated them as one license. Then I can use embedded version. it's better than desktop version in any test case in my home. I really do not like the desktop env.

 

If you use my bootable image, it is partially due to the tuned, stripped down HQPlayer OS. But rest of it is the same as HQPlayer Desktop. So you could as well compare HQPlayer Desktop on Windows vs Linux and see how much the OS makes difference.

 

[teera_ash]

Ryzen 3950X is working beautifully with HQPlayer Desktop 420, 411 (asdm7ec, poly sinc xtr MP, dsd256).  But with 423 it has a drop out every 10 seconds, 4301 every 2-3 seconds!

However, there is a hitch here.  I have to use Ryzen Master to run 3950X on CCD 1 only reducing the CPU to 8 cores 16 threads and OC it to 4.1ghz.  CPU utilisation is around 31-33% and temp is around 60°c. (69°c if OC to 4.3ghz.). I use AMD Ryzen high performce as a power plan.

 

[teera_ash]

....but on AL with embedded HQPlayer, I can run xtr MP, asdm7ec, dsd256 with 16 cores, 32 threads as well as 8 cores 16 threads.  With 16 cores CPU utilisation is around 12-13%.

[andygaof]

26 minutes ago, teera_ash said:

....but on AL with embedded HQPlayer, I can run xtr MP, asdm7ec, dsd256 with 16 cores, 32 threads as well as 8 cores 16 threads.  With 16 cores CPU utilisation is around 12-13%.

 

but, the question is how to OC the CPU in Linux. once I set the frequency byoned the CPU information, it do not work. the maximum I can set is 3.6GHz for intel 9700K. 

[andygaof]

@Miska

 

Just run HQ 4.3 on Ubuntu. everything is fine except the sound quality. will try to optimize the rt kernel, IRQ and so on.

 

[andygaof]

changed the kernel to your 4.19 SMP. the sound quality is better

 

CPU frequency automatically change to 4.6GHz once HQPlayer start playback.

 

 

[Miska]

Windows seems to be doing something strange, and annoyingly hard to figure out why it behaves so differently with the same code...

 

It only becomes visible when the machine is pushed near to it's limits...

[teera_ash]

6 hours ago, andygaof said:

 

but, the question is how to OC the CPU in Linux. once I set the frequency byoned the CPU information, it do not work. the maximum I can set is 3.6GHz for intel 9700K. 

With AL I can set CPU core ratio in bios, 43.5 for 3700X, 42.5 for 3950X.  Every configurations work perfectly up to dsd256.  

[andygaof]

5 minutes ago, teera_ash said:

With AL I can set CPU core ratio in bios, 43.5 for 3700X, 42.5 for 3950X.  Every configurations work perfectly up to dsd256.  

for Windows, it's ok. May not for Linux