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Dragonfly Black teardown


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1 hour ago, SJK said:

I wonder if in some cases the Dragonfly product line has become obsolete?  I have the latest Red and Black - neither would play on my work laptop without frequent crashes or nothing but static.  Mind you, we're still using Windows 7 (!!!!!), so that may be the issue. 

Sounds like a driver issue. I have no problems at all with the standard usb-audio driver in Linux.

 

1 hour ago, SJK said:

But, with my work laptop and the latest sound drivers, it's supposedly capable of 24/192 and sounds great either with headphones or my cheapy USB powered speakers.  For the few times I was able to compare when either of the Dragonfly's were working I couldn't say they had a better sound.

It supports up to 24/96. As for sound quality, it's not terrible, but neither is it spectacular. There are probably cheaper devices that perform just as well.

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6 hours ago, PeterSt said:

Was it impossible to calibrate the dB scale ? Add ~ 45dB myself to everything doesn't make more readable. :S

Or did I miss something else ?

Not impossible, but it would have been more work. Where would you have me put the 0 dB level?

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53 minutes ago, PeterSt said:

Assumed that you don't show Volts (like dBV) but digital level ... at dBFS - 0. At least this is normally done so and thus everybody can "read" it. This proper reading then includes the (also normal) -3dBFS for a test signal. Thus, Y-axis has a -0dBFS marker and a normal test signal will play at -3dBFS. And if you don't use -3dBFS for test signal but -60dBFS (also quite normal) then everybody can see what you're testing.

Etc.

The appearance of the graphs also depends on the FFT size and windowing function.

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Just now, Miska said:

It is actually good to use the Miller-Dunn Jtest signal for testing jitter, because it has LSB modulation.

I thought that was meant to tease out problems in S/PDIF clock recovery.

 

Just now, Miska said:

It tells if there are capacitive leaks between I2S lines (data line leaking to clock and thus varying the switch-over point in the clock waveform).

Given the amount of jitter already present on the clock here I doubt it matters much. The ESS DAC also doesn't use this clock directly. Anyhow, I'll run the test.

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13 minutes ago, Miska said:

What Peter said about calibrating the 0 dB level is true. First play 0 dBFS 1 kHz tone and then calibrate the 0 dBr point of the graphs to that voltage... This way level of the distortion components are easy to read...

Shifting the graphs vertically won't change the relative levels.

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4 hours ago, Miska said:

How does it look at 44.1k?

The same. I see no reason why it would be different.

 

4 hours ago, Miska said:

For some reason the noise level is quite high, normalized it would be about -100 dB so it hides most of the detail.

Maybe your recording equipment is more expensive than mine.

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1 hour ago, Vitor said:

I understand. However, your posts/tests are based in objective reports/measurements.

With that sentence you entered in a very subjective ground. Just sayin.

What's subjective about making a rough estimate of the cost of achieving a given performance level? Component prices are not secret.

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Since the price issue seems contentious, let's look at what goes into the Dragonfly. Bulk pricing used where available.

  • PIC32: $3.02
  • ES9010: $6 (bulk price unknown)
  • TPA6130A2: $0.48

  • Crystal: < $1 (exact part unknown)

  • USB connector: < $1 (exact part unknown)

  • Headphone connector: < $1 (exact part unknown)

  • Resistors: < $0.10 total

  • Capacitors: < $0.10 total

  • Other: < $1

That's less than $15 in parts. With bulk pricing on the DAC chip it is probably closer to $10. PCB assembly adds maybe $1. Adding a few dollars more for the case, final assembly, and packaging, we're still looking at around $15, $20 at most, in unit cost to manufacture. The engineering of a product like this should cost no more than $50k. Amortised over 10k units, that would be $5 apiece. This gives us a conservative estimate of $25 for the total production cost. Allowing a 100% dealer markup, we're still only at $50, whereas the Dragonfly sells for $100. Someone is making a tidy profit.

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