Fair Hedon Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Too bad. He seems low class. I will stop reading his blog. Link to comment
Fair Hedon Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I saw him at RMAF. He was friendly and complimented my shoes. What I missed was this article. I don't usually have time to browse other sites while covering a trade show. This time was no exception. He made himself to be a tough guy online, but it seems he really is a soft bellied wuss. Link to comment
plissken Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, YashN said: Ah, fear not: while the expression of what he meant wasn't the most elegant and appears to single out CA at first sight, it actually refers to all Hi-Fi forums and the unhappy people he refers to aren't all the members here No he singled out CA period. What do you think 'single out' means? 13 minutes ago, YashN said: On the other hand, if the trolls can take over a forum and make it dwindle (a real possibility), that should be the focus of worry, not Lavorgna. I doubt Chris has anything to worry about in this regard. 13 minutes ago, YashN said: I remember he was quite viciously attacked on this very forum, so this might explain some bitterness on his part for his experience here at CA (but as you can verify, he mentions all Hi-Fi forums, not just CA). I've most likely been the most vocal with him. But here's the thing, I wasn't really involved the the thread and it was Raf of all people that ML did his typical semi-psychotic two face routine with. IMO ML is a little bit 'off'. Link to comment
Popular Post YashN Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 14 hours ago, firedog said: Professionals often don't participate at forums or give up after trying b/c they are hounded by a small number of impolite and ignorant posters who often disparage their motives. Why waste your valuable time at a forum when that is the response? That is indeed the crux of the problem. It's an utter waste of time trying to further discuss with those people or even engage with them, especially if you are experimenting, researching and getting interesting results. "It's clear his POV is that the technical stuff is secondary and the point for him is what brings more listening enjoyment. He doesn't seem to think the the how, why, or "science" behind it are very important, just the end result. So he has no issue with saying ethernet cables make an SQ difference. If that's what he heard, placebo effect or not, that's what he cares about. Since he often states that POV pretty clearly. at least over at his site I don't think there is any point in challenging that. At a forum like this one he is a legitimate target (as a critic, not as a person)." I am not too sure I agree here: the technical stuff is important at least to Audiostream. It is the pandering to the continually sceptical 'holier-than-thou' people who masquerade as scientifically-oriented looking for the complete, final measurements of all the gear that isn't important to him (or to the site), at least that's what I get from his comments on AS sometimes. For the technical aspects, there is a treasure-trove of information from some of the greatest on the subject in "Industry Voices". If you haven't spent time reading those, they are going to be very interesting to go through. Audiophile Neuroscience, Bill Brown and Teresa 1 2 Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
gmgraves Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 7:15 AM, plissken said: You knew that was coming. I'll quote him "My answer: I don't know." Finally something him and I can agree on. I wasn't aware that I was unhappy. I must thank Lavorgna for informing me of this. He saved me thousands of dollars in psychiatry fees! Also " ...It's something HE and I can agree on", not HIM. When in doubt, take the "I" or the "me" out of the sentence and try it that way. If it doesn't sound right, then it's not. "Finally something HIM can agree on." Doesn't work, does it? George Link to comment
Popular Post YashN Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, plissken said: I doubt Chris has anything to worry about in this regard. I've most likely been the most vocal with him. But here's the thing, I wasn't really involved the the thread and it was Raf of all people that ML did his typical semi-psychotic two face routine with. IMO ML is a little bit 'off'. Chris has to worry about people like you. He should have banned you from CA a long time ago. Bill Brown, Audiophile Neuroscience, Teresa and 2 others 2 3 Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, YashN said: He should have banned you from CA a long time ago. The Audiophile Taliban has issued its Fatwah. sarvsa, Don Hills and Samuel T Cogley 3 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hi Guys - Michael and I have exchanged emails this afternoon. I don't believe I'll be receiving a holiday card from him this year. jabbr, opus101, Samuel T Cogley and 1 other 4 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
mansr Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, YashN said: Chris has to worry about people like you. He should have banned you from CA a long time ago. Shut up already. You're not funny. sarvsa 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Keep it civil folks. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
plissken Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, YashN said: Chris has to worry about people like you. He should have banned you from CA a long time ago. Maybe, Maybe not. I don't think I've done anything against the TOS either by the letter or by the spirit. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 I've talked to many of you either in person or via PM, and I have to say you're all much nicer and more forgiving when nobody else is watching :~) Rexp, Superdad and christopher3393 1 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, christopher3393 said: Here is a quotation from early in the recently revived, and maligned, civility thread. It still rings true to me: https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/13204-civility/?do=findComment&comment=178009 Now this is not the whole story. Sometimes the Rashomon Effect seems strong here. Reasonable people can disagree on this and how it applies to the Lavorgna history. But it is a long and antagonistic history with tracks both on Audiostream and here on CA. At least that is how I read it. So unless members step up and recognize some mutual responsibility in creating this situation and this climate, and Michael does the same, I don't see any resolution and I see the problem continuing. As I recall, ML's arrival had to do with him censoring a post on his site that was critical of MQA. When the post first appeared there, the URL to that post appeared here. When he deleted the post, he subsequently appeared here to rebut accusations of having nefarious motivations for that deletion. Those accusations were leveled here. His presence here was always to show the "true believers" how to wrangle the heretics and nothing more. Since you unearthed an old post that I've never seen until today, I would like the opportunity to speak to it. Quote And I'm sure they'll be back here, in this thread, with their "yes, but" responses, saying they agree BUT... (fill in the blah, blah, blah). One thing I never read in any of these folks' posts is a sense of joy regarding listening to music or in using their audio systems. They don't speak of their own *experience* and always react --and I do mean *react*-- when someone else writes of *their* experience. They're always here, ostensibly, to provide "clarity" and "truth" to the rest of us ignorant masses who are so dumb, we just want to share our happiness and our discoveries in music and audio. Only thing is, not one of them seems to recognize just how transparent they are. Am I the only one that sees the (either) naivety or deliberate animosity in this? The author is ascribing some kind of emotional dysfunction to someone who dismisses "joy" as relevant to what is ostensibly a discussion of technology. I'm aware that there is a music sub-forum here and I would think that the "joy of listening" would be completely appropriate there. I postulate that the "joy" this person speaks of is derived from something like blissful ignorance of the psychology behind consumerism. It's not that I want to take away someone's "joy", but I believe it's appropriate to discuss where precisely that joy might be derived from if the existence of that joy is a primary principle of audiophilia (which appears to be the thesis). Have I ever enjoyed listening to music? Of course. Pretty much daily. But, IMHO, if that emotional response is the fulcrum from which audiophilia pivots, there's nothing more to discuss other than how much "joy" everyone has. And challenging that "joy" will be likely perceived as what the hippies used to call, "harshing someone's mellow". Is that why we're here? To be excellent to each other? I happen to believe that "old school" audiophilia (which, I also believe, is what the nostalgic lamentation in the "civility" thread is really about), is predicated upon narcissistic consumerism and sycophancy and that there is a better approach to better sound and enhanced playback enjoyment. MQA (why this thread ultimately exists) attempts to leverage the "old school" and that's why it's not catching on IMHO. I fully accept that some will always hearken back the good old days of audiophile print magazines (i.e., no democratization) and see any attempt to question the status quo as some combination of hubris, mean spiritedness, and emotional dysfunction (ML's post on AS that started this thread confirms this). But that view has always struck me as being rather intellectually lazy. The marketing and advertising of audiophile gear (and even audiophile media) is completely rooted in consumerism, with all the psychological baggage that comes with it. I'm just amazed that a significant portion of audiophiles don't want to even be aware of that and bristle at the mere suggestion that their motivations could be manipulated by manufacturers' marketing, advertising, and their allies in social media. I welcome comments and opposing views. wgscott, crenca, Fokus and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
rando Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Guys - Michael and I have exchanged emails this afternoon. I don't believe I'll be receiving a holiday card from him this year. Sorry to hear that. At least you know the correspondence will be one sided so the wife won't awkwardly bring up the question where the card from the Larvorgna household is this year. I'd make a request for you to post an unedited account but that wouldn't really help anything here :~) Link to comment
YashN Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi Guys - Michael and I have exchanged emails this afternoon. I don't believe I'll be receiving a holiday card from him this year. Ow, too bad, but who knows, maybe with time... Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
Popular Post YashN Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, mansr said: You're not funny. That's because I was being serious. Teresa, Rexp, Bill Brown and 2 others 2 3 Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
mansr Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, YashN said: That's because I was being serious. That's just tragic. sarvsa 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, esldude said: I remember a later time since then when about 4 regular HA posters started posting here for a short time. I don't remember any conspiracy being found out. Maybe Bill can fill us in. Dennis Bill confirmed that several posts back. You and I have developed a far better understanding of where each is coming from these days. I believe that we are both searching for the truth, but in different ways . Regards Alex How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
sandyk Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, YashN said: What's up? Hadn't seen you in a while! When the family moved about 110KM north of Sydney, we didn't expect problems connecting to the Internet, as the 2 houses behind us were both connected via FTN to the National Broadband Network. Unfortunately, an NBN Infrastructure upgrade that was due to happen in March only happened recently. We didn't have any Internet for 9 months. Regards Alex How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post Speed Racer Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 31 minutes ago, mansr said: That's just tragic. Oh, I am sure I am one of the posters he thinks should be banned as well. Maybe we should ask him for his list so we can form a club! plissken, wgscott, mansr and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Samuel T Cogley Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 Maybe dialing down the tribalism a little might be a better idea. mourip and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Audiophile Neuroscience Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 9 hours ago, wgscott said: Interesting who the "cult" is from your POV. You have a gift. Try this experiment: Next time you are at work, ask your fellow physicians which group is more cult-like: (a) Those who believe a bucket of sand and rocks is a viable grounding device and makes music sound better, or (b) those who laugh at group (a). Bill, no doubt you have greatly contributed to CA over the years. OTOH you also have a "gift" as you put it. Sarcasm aimed at irritating and at times offending, not just harmless humor. I don't think I am alone in this view. You are the head of your "Taliban" of drive-through bombs and other comments framed to belittle IMO. I for one do not see this as tolerant or civil behavior among adult professionals. Since you asked, my "fellow physicians" , IMO, would identify it as bullying cult like behaviour. Yes it is supremely ironic that your "Taliban" keep on disparaging and ridiculing audiophiles, on a website for computer audiophiles, and not seem to recognize that some folks, having become pre-conditioned to being attacked in both idea and type (audiophile), want to *defend* themselves. You fail to acknowledge that for the most part audiophiles didn't invite the scrutiny your "Taliban" serves up or the "laughing at a (their) group". Why does it somehow irk you (plural) that someone believes or otherwise goes about their hobby in an innocuous way using buckets of sand or whatever? No, I don't buy the protect them from themselves or righteous claims of cleaning up the industry. You go straight for the throat of the 'victim'. Let them be, having fun and enjoying their hobby.Is that unreasonable? Just my POV. Edit- Shields up, Sulu, emoticon look&listen, Teresa and Bill Brown 2 1 Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
Allan F Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, gmgraves said: I wasn't aware that I was unhappy. I must thank Lavorgna for informing me of this. He saved me thousands of dollars in psychiatry fees! Also " ...It's something HE and I can agree on", not HIM. When in doubt, take the "I" or the "me" out of the sentence and try it that way. If it doesn't sound right, then it's not. "Finally something HIM can agree on." Doesn't work, does it? Much easier to simply use "we". I can't imagine anyone writing, "something that us can agree on". "Relax, it's only hi-fi. There's never been a hi-fi emergency." - Roy Hall "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." - William Bruce Cameron Link to comment
Popular Post wgscott Posted October 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: Bill, no doubt you have greatly contributed to CA over the years. OTOH you also have a "gift" as you put it. Sarcasm aimed at irritating and at times offending, not just harmless humor. I don't think I am alone in this view. You are the head of your "Taliban" of drive-through bombs and other comments framed to belittle IMO. I for one do not see this as tolerant or civil behavior among adult professionals. Since you asked, my "fellow physicians" , IMO, would identify it as bullying cult like behaviour. Yes it is supremely ironic that your "Taliban" keep on disparaging and ridiculing audiophiles, on a website for computer audiophiles, and not seem to recognize that some folks, having become pre-conditioned to being attacked in both idea and type (audiophile), want to *defend* themselves. You fail to acknowledge that for the most part audiophiles didn't invite the scrutiny your "Taliban" serves up or the "laughing at a (their) group". Why does it somehow irk you (plural) that someone believes or otherwise goes about their hobby in an innocuous way using buckets of sand or whatever? No, I don't buy the protect them from themselves or righteous claims of cleaning up the industry. You go straight for the throat of the 'victim'. Let them be, having fun and enjoying their hobby.Is that unreasonable? Just my POV. Edit- Shields up, Sulu, emoticon I apologize for attempting to engage you in a rational discussion. In your absence, I had forgotten just how distastefully disingenuous you can be. Unlike some others, I have never asked (let alone demanded) that anyone be banned for any activity, let alone expressing an opinion at variance (or in agreement) with accepted audiophile doctrine. Those that I characterized as Audiophile Taliban do that routinely -- hence the analogy, which I am certain you grasp perfectly well (as evidenced by your remarkably over-the-top deflection-response to it and my harmless and light-hearted suggestion for some water cooler discussion/reality checks with your colleagues). Did you by any chance have a previous life as a divorce lawyer? Perhaps for the good of the forum we should place each other on our respective ignore lists. G'day. Don Hills, sarvsa and esldude 2 1 Link to comment
Audiophile Neuroscience Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, wgscott said: I apologize for attempting to engage you in a rational discussion. In your absence, I had forgotten just how distastefully disingenuous you can be. Perhaps for the good of the forum we should place each other on our respective ignore lists. G'day. Amazing how you take things. Exactly where or how is "how distastefully disingenuous you can be"? If meaning "your contribution to CA". I meant it *genuinely*, not sarcastically. If something else then i confess I have no idea. Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
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