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$43,500 Australian, plus whatever else gets tacked on TAX/GST wise.   A bucket load of cash but when you work out what you get for the money, it certainly smashes a lot of other overpriced stand-alone speakers on the Oz market.   

 

I think the Kii 3 is a giant killer.   But with this complete BXT kit, having heard just the Kii 3, I doubt much will compete with it.   Plus you will need to buy all the supporting gear to drive all the passives over $40,000, so in that respect, it is more than competitive.

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

 

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Come on all you visitors to the HiEnd Show, where are the reviews of the BXT on display.   Great pics PVC now tell us all about them :)

 

Any thoughts?????

 

Regards Cazzesman

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Well it has taken me 18 months but I have finally found a 2nd hand pair of Kii 3's in my home town.   1st 2nd hand pair I have seen in Australia for sale.   They were traded in to the local distributor along with the stands and Controller.     Pick up is on Monday so pretty excited.

 

I do have a question for the wise re the connections.    I currently run the following...

 

CAPS (Lagoon - WS2012 R2 Essentials OS with Audiophile Optimizer v2.20 in Ultimate Core mode - Fidelizer 8.1pro -128g SS HD + Sotm USB exp card) via USB Curious Cable into Mutec USB 3+ reclocker. 

 

The Mutec has AES output and the Kii3 has the AES input.    MY current Lampizator L5 dac does not have AES input so I use the Coaxial from the Mutec.   I have a 110 ohm AES cable that I have never used.

 

With the Controller attached to the Kii 3 via the Cat 5, can I still connect the 110 ohm AES cable from the Mutec to the Kii 3 to access the CAPS.

 

By doing it this way I free up the Coaxial on the Controller for something else.    The Optical on the Controller will be for my TV.

 

My 2nd question relates to setting up a remote to control the Controller from the comfy chair.   I have a Harmony Universal 650 remote.  Will that do the trick or will I need to buy a  RC5 type or Apple Remote?

 

Thanks for any advice.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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Thanks and thanks Hydrology.    I first heard the Kii 3 about 2 years ago and was blown away.   Pretty excited.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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I also use a 2000 VA Isolation Transformer in my Audio system.     My Current Active speakers, each with its own separate power supply box, are plugged into the walls 240vlt plugs and not via the IsoTrans.  This was at the recommendation of the Speaker Maker .

 

Anyone have any thoughts on whether I should plug the Kii 3's into the IsoTran or simply into the wall plugs.     I presuming the Digital Amps within the Kii 3's aren't drawing any massive loads so the IsoTran should be fine.     For info the power to my audio set up comes via a direct single line off the house power box. 

 

Regards Cazzesman

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With my current room I have 1st and 2nd reflection acoustic treatment set up.   I also have rear corner bass traps that stand 2.2 metres.

 

I will try with and without treatment once the Kii's are in situ.    Have you current Kii owners found that you could do away with the Treatment (if you had any) once you moved from standard speakers to the Kii's?

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

 

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Well that was a fatal mistake. 😛

 

I just had a mate come over to pick up my previous active speakers (for a test drive) as he has had his eye on them for some time and might be keen to buy.

 

After listening to my Kii 3's for 40 mins all he could talk about was how he could find the money for a pair.   Thankfully for me his budget only runs to my old pair of Actives and not a new pair of Kii 3's.

 

His words were............"Nowhere to go from here now you have these."    As Stringer Bell might say......True dat!!!!!

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

PS.   You can perhaps tell my wife and I have just started re-watching 'The Wire' via a DVD Box set.    8 episodes into Season 1.

Omar and The Bunk rule!

 

 

 

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Morning all,

 

I'm just after some clarification re the Boundary/Contour adjustments if you could please.   Without the Controller the adjustments for both are via the adjustable screws on the rear of the unit.   With the Controller the adjustments for both are within.   You have the Low shelf and High shelf adjustments with both having frequencies adjustment +/- db.

 

My question is..................... after your selection are made you only have 2 different frequencies you can adjust overall i.e High and Low.   Is that correct or am I missing something.   It's not like a Graphic EQ where you may have 6 or 8 points you can plot and adjust?

 

Also a question re 'Head-room'.    Currently my Kii's are placed 1 metre from the front of the speaker to the wall behind.  They are .5 metres off each side wall with a toe in of 50mil from parallel (Degrees?)    Reading some info on the Kii's it was suggested that "When pushed further into a corner it provides the Kii's with more headroom, meaning they don't have to work as hard to produce the bass energy".  I get that the corners increases the bass, but is that only from an spl perspective or also a lower htz output? i.e from 15 down to 12 at the same spl.   

 

I intend on doing some placement testing but I just want to get my head around the science first.

 

I currently still have 1st and 2nd refection points covered with treatment.  I still have the treatment traps in the corners to the rear of the speakers.     My room shape is basically 3 mts x 3 mts that then comes into 6 x 4.   So the speakers are firing from the 3 metre end the length of 9 metres with 3.2 mt ceilings.   Tweeter to tweeter is 1.64 metres.

 

Aside from..............just suck it and see......................any science to the trying that I need to know please.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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On the topic of filling the Kii 3 official stands with Sand.......anyone have an amount of sand in 'Kg' that is required to fill each stand?

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

 

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Maths was never my strong suit.   Kii tubes are 10cm in diameter and 65cm long.   That tube Volume is 5.1 litres

 

https://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/volume-to-weight

 

So this calculator suggests dry sand for 5.1 litres has a weight of 8.2kg x 2 is 16.4 kg of dry sand.    Does that sound right to the Math's boffins?

 

A 20kg bag of dry sand should see me just about right.

 

I guess I will let you know.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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Poured my dry sand into the Kii Stands today.    Might be placebo effect but I'm thinking there is a more focused sound.    The best way to describe it is there is no ringing in the air.   I'm not sure I ever noticed ringing before but it just sounds somewhat quieter and on point.

 

Some female vocals that occasionally hit a note that 'bit' now seems more controlled.    A song by London Grammar called Rooting for You has a few of those notes from singer Hannah Reid that are now under control to my old ears.

 

Regardless, I highly doubt adding the sand has hurt the sound in any way.  

 

The 20 kg bag, once dried, easily filled the columns.  Probably had 2 or 3 kg leftover.    $7 Australian dollars well spent.   That will be about $1.50 in US Dollars. 🙁

 

Regards Cazzesman

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Hi Rando,

 

I wasn't aware there were remixes.   I'm abit late to the LG music.     Are you talking 'Remixes' or 'Remasters'.    Has there previously been mutterings about the production of Reid's vocals?   Or are you talking about Reid singing with assorted artist on extended 7" tracks?

 

Regards Cazzesman

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The cable that came with my Kii 3 is an unshielded cat6.   Because both cables are 6+ metres long and my kiis are only 2 metres apart I was thinking about getting some replacements that are shorter and shielded.  

 

 And no I won’t be spending big bucks on the likes of Sotm cat7.    I struggle with that concept of  $$$, for something that in its most basic form is $3 per metre.

 

I’m guessing the shielded cat6 can’t do any harm vs the unshielded.

 

https://www.cablechick.com.au/cables/1m-cat6a-professional-rj45-shielded-ethernet-cable-black.html

 

Regards Cazzesman

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Thanks Mazza.   I spent a grand total of about $25 US for 2 cables as per above from CableChick.   Won't break the bank so I will let you know.

 

Regards Cazzesman.

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New cat6e double shielded cables finally arrived.   Nothing special price wise.  Purchased from CableChick as listed above.

 

Probably did 1/2 hour of initial testing once Kii3’s had been running for a few hours.

 

Tried 4 or 5 tunes, alternating b/t Kii’s original cat 6 unshielded and cat6e double shielded.

 

Finally settled on 1 track that was fairly dynamic.   Toto’s - I will Remember - Tambu CD.    Big rolling drum sound left to right and clean vocals from Lukather up front.    My 1st thought is there is some difference.

 

Cat6 is a tad larger in overall scale across the soundstage and a tad more forward in the vocal presentation.    Cat6e is possibly slightly cleaner in presentation with a fractionally smaller soundstage.    I am only talking small degrees of sound stage and 3d imaging.   Cat 6e presents like focusing a camera.   6e is just marginally more infocus that the Cat6 but the Cat6 looms marginally bigger in scope and imaging front to back.

 

Intriguing on first listen.   I know zero about any possible Lan cable burn in so I won’t go there.    I will get another set of ears in for a listen on the weekend.

 

I will try some different tunes this evening and see where we are at.

 

This is just one mans sensory perception so take it for what it is after a mere 30 min snap shot.

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheStupidOne said:

In my experience, if any difference is so hard to hear that you need to focus really hard and switch back and forth to maybe hear a slight nuance, then that difference is far more likely to be a product of the mind than a product of actual differences.

 

You want a bigger soundstage? Get some more distance between the speakers, toe them in or out a little more or get yourself dsp to fix the bass issues and add some low-end heft. That'll work every time - and no need to focus to hear it.

 

Cat cables changing tonality in the recordings is not and will not be possible anytime soon. If a digital cable changes the data, I'd like that cable to transfer digital bits from my ATM to my bank account. Maybe I'd suddenly be very rich by accident.

 

You first paragraph I except and you are possibly/probably right but I guess posters here live a large proportion of their audio lives on perception, otherwise the threads here would be blowing tumbleweeds.

 

Your 2nd - Not what I was discussing here and I wasn't chasing a bigger SS etc etc   It was about being curious about having Unshielded Cat6 cable supplied with my Kii 3 speakers vs trying out a double shielded Cat 6e version for minimal dollars.

 

Your 3rd -  I really have/had no idea if changing Cat cables can alter the sound hence my desire to trial.    Perhaps you can replenish your bank balance with the use of some cables from Sotm or some other cable 'Specialist's who are charging $$$$$ for a Cat7 cable.    Alas those Cat Cables have the reverse effect you are after.    The money flows out not in.😮

 

As I mentioned above my Cat6e testers cost about $24 US.

 

Regards Cazzesman

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