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Or, run two Vidars from a preamp with balanced outputs (like our Freya) for true monoblock performance and 400 watts per channel into 8 ohms.

 

This is what I would do.  I hope you get to review this...


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One mundane thing I am interested in is efficiency (and how hot they get).  It sounds like they use passive (heat sink) cooling, so sticking them in a cabinet might not be such a good idea.


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I ordered two Vidar amps and they be delivered tomorrow. My Tekton Double Impact speakers arrive tomorrow as well.

 

Schiit were able to up the biasing due to the change in heatsink design from the original prototypes. Jason said the production units get hotter than the prototypes. That means they should stay Class A longer.

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29 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I'm going to ask Jason and Mike if I can review a cost no object, top of the line, Schiit system. I have the Yggrdrasil, but need the amps and pre. 

 

Prices

Freya: $699

Vidar: $699 (x2 for monoblocks)

Yggdrasil: $2299

 

Total: $3697 ($4396 if using mono amps)

 

 

Amazing.

 

It is! I already have an Yggdrasil and Freya along with the two Vida's coming. What a bargain!!

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Seriously. I had to check to make sure it wasn't true.

 

Edit: I know this is just audio and these are inanimate objects, but the Schiit Audio components for such reasonable prices are something worth Schitting yourself about :~)


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1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Seriously. I had to check to make sure it wasn't true.

 

Edit: I know this is just audio and these are inanimate objects, but the Schiit Audio components for such reasonable prices are something worth Schitting yourself about :~)

 

Here is what my setup will entail:

 

DAC: Yggdrasil - $2,299

Preamp: Freya - $699

Amps: Vidar x 2 - $1,398

Headphone amp: Mjolnir 2 - $849

Speakers: Tekton Design Double impact - $3,300

 

Not counting speaker cables and interconnects, the total is $8,545. There is no way you could buy that quality of components from anywhere else for anywhere near that price. A DAC as nice as Yggdrasil could cost you that much!

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I want @Johnseye to test these against his Benchmark...


"The overwhelming majority [of audiophiles] have very little knowledge, if any, about the most basic principles and operating characteristics of audio equipment. They often base their purchasing decisions on hearsay, and the preaching of media sages. Unfortunately, because of commercial considerations, much information is rooted in increasing revenue, not in assisting the audiophile. It seems as if the only requirements for becoming an "authority" in the world of audio is a keyboard."

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1 hour ago, Speed Racer said:

 

Here is what my setup will entail:

 

DAC: Yggdrasil - $2,299

Preamp: Freya - $699

Amps: Vidar x 2 - $1,398

Headphone amp: Mjolnir 2 - $849

Speakers: Tekton Design Double impact - $3,300

 

Not counting speaker cables and interconnects, the total is $8,545. There is no way you could buy that quality of components from anywhere else for anywhere near that price. A DAC as nice as Yggdrasil could cost you that much!

 

I haven't heard the Schiits neither I've heard these speakers (googled quickly and indeed they look nice!). However, that does not sound exactly cheap (pun intended). Actually with that money for the amplification one could easily buy a Hegel or Naim. Same for the DAC...

 

Or just get a Focus XD.

 

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OK, I can buy "200W at 8 Ohm" in this way

 

1) https://www.nordacoustics.co.uk/product-page/nord-one-mp-nc250-stereo-power-amp

About 1023$ delivered to me in NY

 

or in this way

 

2) 2 x http://schiit.com/products/vidar

About 1467$ 

delivered to me in NY

 

I kinda know what the answer will be in this thread, and I honestly want to reassure you I'm not trying to generate any flame.

 

But what would you consider as pros and cons of option 1 and 2 above?

 

Thanks

franz

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3 minutes ago, franz159 said:

OK, I can buy "200W at 8 Ohm" in this way

 

1) https://www.nordacoustics.co.uk/product-page/nord-one-mp-nc250-stereo-power-amp

About 1023$ delivered to me in NY

 

or in this way

 

2) 2 x http://schiit.com/products/vidar

About 1467$ 

delivered to me in NY

 

I kinda know what the answer will be in this thread, and I honestly want to reassure you I'm not trying to generate any flame.

 

But what would you consider as pros and cons of option 1 and 2 above?

 

Thanks

franz

 

Well, most don't really need TWO Vidars. One Vidar is 100 W/pc, plenty for most setups and only $649. 


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Hi Franz - I'm willing to bet you can find a cheaper 100 watts, if that's what you're trying to do. What exactly are you trying to do with this comparison?

 

It cool to find the competition, let's just make sure we are comparing apples to apples.


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10 minutes ago, franz159 said:

OK, I can buy "200W at 8 Ohm" in this way

 

1) https://www.nordacoustics.co.uk/product-page/nord-one-mp-nc250-stereo-power-amp

About 1023$ delivered to me in NY

 

or in this way

 

2) 2 x http://schiit.com/products/vidar

About 1467$ 

delivered to me in NY

 

I kinda know what the answer will be in this thread, and I honestly want to reassure you I'm not trying to generate any flame.

 

But what would you consider as pros and cons of option 1 and 2 above?

 

Thanks

franz

 

Well, two Vidar amps running in monoblock mode will give you a conservative 400 watts per channel at 8 ohms.

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i have a pair of Vidar on the way too, should be here Thursday.

2 Schiit Vidars

Schiit Freya

Schiit Mani Phono

Schiit Gungnir Multibit with Gen 5 usb 

Vandersteen 2ce Signatures MKII

 can't wait to hear it together!!!!

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14 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Hi Franz - I'm willing to bet you can find a cheaper 100 watts, if that's what you're trying to do. What exactly are you trying to do with this comparison?

 

It cool to find the competition, let's just make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

 

Until now I was oriented to buy a NordAcoustic amp.

This was based on more than positive user feedbacks read on various sites (probably also here on Computer Audiophile)

 

The need is in short to power in the appropriate way a pair of "hungry" Elac UB5

https://www.elac.com/product/ub5/

 

Now, knowing that Vidar is finally available and considering that (as mentioned by gmgraves) one single Vidar is probably enough for my need, I am actually re-considering my options.

 

The main remaining reason in favour of the Nord Acoustic MP amp is probably just its flexibility in terms of power input (auto-switching between 115V and 230V) which is somehow relevant to me because I would be using the amp in US initially, but possibly needing to bring it back to Europe with me in the future.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

I want @Johnseye to test these against his Benchmark...

 

When I saw this I was immediately going to place an order.  Mostly because I've been eyeing the Freya and Yggdrasil and have been looking for an excuse.  Then I saw that the Vidar only has one balanced in.  Maybe I'm missing something because there's stereo in via RCA, just not XLR.  That would require monoblocks if you want balanced in.


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Power: Paul Hynes SR7, Uptone LPS-1.2, sPS-500, Topaz 91001-31 Isolation Transformer

Analog chain: VPI Prime with Ortofon Quintet Black cart -> Simaudio Neo 310LP-> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H

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I'll buy you a beer if you do a careful audition/comparison...


"The overwhelming majority [of audiophiles] have very little knowledge, if any, about the most basic principles and operating characteristics of audio equipment. They often base their purchasing decisions on hearsay, and the preaching of media sages. Unfortunately, because of commercial considerations, much information is rooted in increasing revenue, not in assisting the audiophile. It seems as if the only requirements for becoming an "authority" in the world of audio is a keyboard."

-- Bruce Rozenblit of Transcendent Sound

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57 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

I'll buy you a beer if you do a careful audition/comparison...

 

The Vidar and Benchmark are similar in terms of watt output.  Does this qualify? ;) 

I'm still tempted and may.  I'll let you know.

 

Benchmark AHB2:

Frequency Response:

Better than 0.1 Hz to 200 kHz, +0/-3 dB

-0.01 dB at 20 Hz, -0.17 dB at 20 kHz, 8-Ohm Load

-0.23 dB at 20 Hz, -0.32 dB at 20 kHz, 4-Ohm Load

THD+N : 1 kHz, 80 kHz LPF, at full rated output into any rated load

< -118 dB (< 0.00013%), Stereo or Mono Mode

THD:  1 kHz, 20 kHz LPF, at full rated output into any rated load

< -119 dB (< 0.00011%), Stereo Mode

< -120 dB (< 0.00010%), Mono Mode

SNR: 132 dB A-weighted, Stereo Mode

135 dB A-weighted, Mono Mode

Damping Factor: 

350 at 20 Hz, 8-Ohms

254 at 1 kHz, 8-Ohms

34 at 20 kHz, 8-Ohms

7 at 200 kHz, 8-Ohms

Gain (adjustable):

Low-Gain = 22 dBu (9.8 Vrms), Gain = 9.2 dB

Mid-Gain = 14.2 dBu (4 Vrms), Gain = 17.0 dB

High-Gain = 8.2 dBu (2 Vrms), Gain = 23 dB

Use Mid-Gain or High-Gain settings for unbalanced inputs

Input Impedance:

50 k Ohms, normal mode

1 M Ohm, common mode

Crosstalk:

Better than -115 dB at 1 kHz

Better than -92 dB at 20 kHz

 

Shiit Vidar:

Frequency Response: 20Hz-20Khz, -0.1db, 3Hz-500KHz, -3dB

THD: <0.01%, 20Hz-20KHz, at 100W RMS into 8 ohms 

SNR: >125db, A-weighted, referenced to full output 

Damping Factor: >100 into 8 ohms, 20-20kHz

Gain: 22 (27dB)

Input Impedance: 22k ohms SE, 44k ohms balanced

Crosstalk: >95dB, 20-20kHz


Digital chain: Synology DS1815+ -> Linear Solution OCXO switch-> Custom 2016 Server (sCLK-EX modified motherboard, Mutec REF 10)-> AL NUC NA->  Holo Spring L3 -> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H, JL Fathom sub

Power: Paul Hynes SR7, Uptone LPS-1.2, sPS-500, Topaz 91001-31 Isolation Transformer

Analog chain: VPI Prime with Ortofon Quintet Black cart -> Simaudio Neo 310LP-> Audio Research LS28-> Benchmark AHB2 -> Paradigm Persona 9H

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Nyet!

 

Actual listening - hopefully blind...

 

with this release and the Mytek, I am feeling better about deferring an amp purchase...


"The overwhelming majority [of audiophiles] have very little knowledge, if any, about the most basic principles and operating characteristics of audio equipment. They often base their purchasing decisions on hearsay, and the preaching of media sages. Unfortunately, because of commercial considerations, much information is rooted in increasing revenue, not in assisting the audiophile. It seems as if the only requirements for becoming an "authority" in the world of audio is a keyboard."

-- Bruce Rozenblit of Transcendent Sound

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