mansr Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 8 hours ago, GUTB said: I guess Pyramix uses DSD-Wide? I don't think it would for the workflow Cookie described. Link to comment
bmoura Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 12 hours ago, GUTB said: I guess Pyramix uses DSD-Wide? DSD Wide is a feature of the Sonoma Workstation. Pyramix does not have DSD Wide as far as I know. Link to comment
christian u Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 16-10-2017 at 3:29 AM, cookiemarenco said: This is a great topic. Testing your DAC for optimum performance is a good idea. Not all DAC perform the same so it's best to know what your equipment prefers. It's interesting to hear your opinions for us as well. Important to know for testing is how the song was recorded, processed and if there were alterations made in mastering to accommodate a particular format. They are pretty clear on the site about that, no overdubs, dxd converted to dsd and lower pcm formats....:https://www.soundliaison.com/studio-showcase-series/276-carmen-gomes-sings-the-blues Link to comment
GUTB Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 DSD-Wide is the only way to "natively" (ie, lossless) mix in DSD, right? Link to comment
christian u Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 23 hours ago, GUTB said: DSD-Wide is the only way to "natively" (ie, lossless) mix in DSD, right? You mean without converting to pcm? Link to comment
Milan Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 12:27 PM, PAP said: I actually hear my DACs having a preference....my korg prefers DSD but my ifi goes for DXD/Pcm! Korg are DSD specialist so that figures Link to comment
bmoura Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, Milan said: Korg are DSD specialist so that figures Actually many DACs (not just Korg) sound better with DSD files than DXD files. Tailspn (Tom) explained that awhile back as being due to modern DACs being designed with SDM processing at the start of their Digital to Analog Conversion process. Link to comment
hdo Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 8 hours ago, bmoura said: Actually many DACs (not just Korg) sound better with DSD files than DXD files. I suspect that this is because most media players implement poor quality filters for PCM tracks while DSD is played bit-perfect mode. I have about ten media players. Most of them don't have graphic equalizer. Others have poor PCM sound. Only exception is Windows Media Player. It has PCM sound comparable to DSD. Sound is clean and clear. Detailed bass. Crisp high sound. This is what I can get only from WMP. So I ended up converting my favourite tracks into WMP playable formats. Link to comment
christian u Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 On 21-10-2017 at 4:48 AM, hdo said: I suspect that this is because most media players implement poor quality filters for PCM tracks while DSD is played bit-perfect mode. I have about ten media players. Most of them don't have graphic equalizer. Others have poor PCM sound. Only exception is Windows Media Player. It has PCM sound comparable to DSD. Sound is clean and clear. Detailed bass. Crisp high sound. This is what I can get only from WMP. So I ended up converting my favourite tracks into WMP playable formats. Interesting hdo that you prefer wmp....I also think it sounds pretty good. I have to admit that I'm not very good in A/B testing though . Link to comment
PAP Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 8:06 PM, bmoura said: Actually many DACs (not just Korg) sound better with DSD files than DXD files. Tailspn (Tom) explained that awhile back as being due to modern DACs being designed with SDM processing at the start of their Digital to Analog Conversion process. SDM processing is that the same as Delta-sigma modulation? Link to comment
mansr Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, PAP said: SDM processing is that the same as Delta-sigma modulation? Yes, sigma-delta and delta-sigma are used interchangeably. PAP 1 Link to comment
oso Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 12-11-2017 at 11:41 AM, christian u said: Interesting hdo that you prefer wmp....I also think it sounds pretty good. I have to admit that I'm not very good in A/B testing though . that's an impossible art form Link to comment
PAP Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 12-11-2017 at 11:41 AM, christian u said: Interesting hdo that you prefer wmp....I also think it sounds pretty good. I have to admit that I'm not very good in A/B testing though . On 21-11-2017 at 8:46 PM, oso said: that's an impossible art form on the site it says; "When you compare different sample rates always start with the lowest resolution.During listening don't focus too much, hearing is as individual as taste but hearing is also something which can be acquired, like the taste of good wine. "https://www.soundliaison.com/all-categories/6-compare-formats Link to comment
oso Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 21-10-2017 at 4:48 AM, hdo said: I suspect that this is because most media players implement poor quality filters for PCM tracks while DSD is played bit-perfect mode. I have about ten media players. Most of them don't have graphic equalizer. Others have poor PCM sound. Only exception is Windows Media Player. It has PCM sound comparable to DSD. Sound is clean and clear. Detailed bass. Crisp high sound. This is what I can get only from WMP. So I ended up converting my favourite tracks into WMP playable formats. There is an extension for Flac play back possible in wmp. Link to comment
hdo Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 30/11/2017 at 5:48 AM, oso said: There is an extension for Flac play back possible in wmp WMP on Windows 10 plays FLAC natively. But it does not play DVDs. So I have to convert my favorite concert dvds into mkv or mpg formats. This is a bit complex to do. Link to comment
christian u Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 You are right . Very strange, the older version did play dvd Link to comment
oso Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 indeed in windows 10 it no longer plays dvd....what a strange decision. Link to comment
PAP Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 10/16/2017 at 5:04 PM, bmoura said: DSD Wide is a feature of the Sonoma Workstation. Pyramix does not have DSD Wide as far as I know. The Carmen Gomes Sings the Blues album is available in DXD and in DSD on the native dsd as well as on the Sound Liaison Site. Is it the same DSD file native dsd is selling or has it been mastered differently i.e. using the Sonoma workstation? Link to comment
bmoura Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, PAP said: The Carmen Gomes Sings the Blues album is available in DXD and in DSD on the native dsd as well as on the Sound Liaison Site. Is it the same DSD file native dsd is selling or has it been mastered differently i.e. using the Sonoma workstation? It was provided to NativeDSD Music by Sound Liaison. So it should be the same music files. Link to comment
oso Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 Is there a difference in sq with software DSD players? or does it all depend on the DAC? Link to comment
mansr Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, oso said: Is there a difference in sq with software DSD players? or does it all depend on the DAC? That depends on your choice of belief system. If you believe bit-perfect PCM players sound different, then the same reasoning applies to DSD players. oso 1 Link to comment
oso Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 I am very easy to influence What do you use? Link to comment
mansr Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Just now, oso said: I am very easy to influence What do you use? I have very little DSD material. When I do play any, I convert it to PCM anyway for room correction. Link to comment
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