Beyond stereo?

[AJ Soundfield]

If there was a plate full of cookies on the audio rack, I'd be the first in line

[STC]

26 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

Here's another, older view of an Ambiophonics demo at an audio show.  Ralph Glasgal presiding.

 

Kal, I thought you should know the difference between the 3D and stereo. The 3D can only happen when you are in the median line. It is exactly the same as stereo where you have to be in the sweet spot. 

 

Going out of the line - it sounds like any other standard stereo setup when you are off the centre of a stereo setup. 

[STC]

15 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

If there was a plate full of cookies on the audio rack, I'd be the first in line

 

Aren't you bit old for that? Perhaps not.

[AJ Soundfield]

17 minutes ago, STC said:

 

Kal, I thought you should know the difference between the 3D and stereo. The 3D can only happen when you are in the median line. It is exactly the same as stereo where you have to be in the sweet spot. 

 

Going out of the line - it sounds like any other standard stereo setup when you are off the centre of a stereo setup. 

Wrong, the illustration is explaining the difference between a conventional "stereo" speaker vs a CD

Once again, you either aren't reading...or more likely, can't comprehend:

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Links/Optimized-listening-area-Davies.pdf 

 

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Compared with conventional and many unconventional loudspeakers the top octaves are clearly better dispersed. Imaging is indeed maintained over a very wide range of positions . An A/B comparison against conventional loudspeaker with the listener well off centerline is almost tantamount to a comparison of stereo with mono.

 

[AJ Soundfield]

18 hours ago, AJ Soundfield said:

How many wide stereo + diffuse decorrelated independent driven indirect radiation fronts + 2 Logic7 rears have you heard?

Still no

[AJ Soundfield]

 

LOL

[STC]

8 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

Wrong, the illustration is explaining the difference between a conventional "stereo" speaker vs a CD

Once again, you either aren't reading...or more likely, can't comprehend:

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/Links/Optimized-listening-area-Davies.pdf 

 

 

 

Nothing new. Bose 301 is doing that and the best sound is still in the middle. My speakers dispersion is  45 degree full spectrum. It sounds good anywhere in the room but the best stereo effect is still in the middle.

 

 

 

[STC]

1 minute ago, AJ Soundfield said:

 

LOL

 

Finally you got it. The magic can only happen in the center.

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, STC said:

My speakers dispersion is  45 degree full spectrum.

Right, the exact opposite required for wide area stereo imaging. So all this is projection by you.

You're in way over your head, move along...

[STC]

5 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

Still no

 

Nothing new. The concept would sound better if you move the front  speakers closer and do the XTC. You are still listening to stereo. 

[STC]

Just now, AJ Soundfield said:

Right, the exact opposite required for wide area stereo imaging. So all this is projection by you.

You're in way over your head, move along...

 

Not according to the review of your speakers. 

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, STC said:

Finally you got it. The magic can only happen in the center.

Right, for you fringe Ambi types.

 

While most prefer something a bit less confining.

 

[STC]

Seriously, do you only put the links to the favorable reviews and omit this

 

 

[STC]

3 minutes ago, AJ Soundfield said:

Right, for you fringe Ambi types.

 

While most prefer something a bit less confining.

 

 

Like stereo with crosstalk. Enjoy. 

[AJ Soundfield]

3 minutes ago, STC said:

Not according to the review of your speakers. 

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue62/capital_audiofest.htm

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These combined to make for a system that has very even and flat dispersion, that is the frequency response remains very much the same as you get off the main axis of the speakers. But, they have added a small full-range radiator to the rear of the top box, which adds some energy into the diffuse field much the way planar dipole speakers do. The effect was a soundfield very reminiscent of a planar speaker, but with a much, much wider sweet spot. 

Ouch 

[AJ Soundfield]

7 minutes ago, STC said:

 

Nothing new. The concept would sound better if you move the front  speakers closer and do the XTC. You are still listening to stereo. 

Ok, so still no, never heard anything like this.

Thanks.

 

Now maybe you could start a separate thread about your cult of Ambi and proselytize there?

I'm sure a single line would form quickly

[STC]

4 minutes ago, STC said:

Seriously, do you only put the links to the favorable reviews and omit this

 

 

 

Yes but cleverly concealed this. 

[STC]

Just now, AJ Soundfield said:

Ok, so still no, never heard anything like this.

Thanks.

 

Now maybe you could start a separate thread about your cult of Ambi and proselytize there?

I'm sure a single line would form quickly

 

Make me. 

[AJ Soundfield]

6 minutes ago, STC said:

Seriously, do you only put the links to the favorable reviews and omit this

That isn't a wide area stereo design duh!

The other, clearly is to all listeners.

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, STC said:

 

Make me. 

Is was just a suggestion to help with the Ambi fringe obsession condition

[STC]

Just now, AJ Soundfield said:

That isn't a wide area stereo design duh!

The other, clearly is to all listeners.

 

hahaha

[STC]

AJ, Perhaps, you should change the topic from Beyond Stereo to Nothing beyond Stereo because that's the point you want to score here. 

 

Robin Miller - An internationally recognized engineering consultant and Peabody award-winning producer, Robin Miller has presented advanced 2D and 3D audio solutions worldwide to the Audio Engineering Society, Society of Motion Picture & Television Engineers, Acoustical Society of America, Canadian Acoustical Association, and German Tonmeisters. 

 

Said - 

We’re not fooled; recordings aren’t real. With two speakers spaced 60° in front of us – let’s call that “speaker stereo” – the three most key qualities of audio reproduction are distorted. Defects are due not only to your listening equipment or acoustics, but simply to the positional relationship of the speakers and your ears. Unless that relationship is corrected to produce no acoustic artifacts, correct localization, spatiality, and tone color remain imprisoned in much of your recorded collection. Even 5.1 surround is still 60° stereo in front plus two side-rear speakers to provide envelopment, but still we do not experience being “transported” to the extent that captured auditory scenes are unlocked, and our speakers and listening space “disappear.”

Speaker-stereo, invented in the early 1930s and popularized after World War II, initially wowed listeners. Today we’ve had to settle, or continue trying this and that, wishing for better sound. Yet the myriad recordings made over this time period have often in fact captured auditory scenes that remain unauralized when reproduced using the conventional stereo triangle due to crosstalk. Blumlein knew this, but in 1932 the compromise was small. Today we have orders-ofmagnitude more linear transducers and electronics. Most weak links in the chain have been strengthened, so that crosstalk is by far the weakest....

 

 

 

 

 

[AJ Soundfield]

20 minutes ago, STC said:

AJ, Perhaps, you should change the topic from Beyond Stereo to Nothing beyond Stereo

No, better yet, you could take you megaphone to the street corner and start preaching at folks how Ambiophonics is their salvation also and will save them all from stereo hell.

Seriously, if it's as great as your ilk claims, start a thread about it a see what others think

[STC]

Just now, AJ Soundfield said:

No, better yet, you could take you megaphone to the street corner and start preaching at folks how Ambisonics is their salvation also and will save them all from stereo hell.

Seriously, if it's as great as your ilk claims, start a thread about it a see what others think

 

Master of distortion. Who is talking about Ambisonics. 

[AJ Soundfield]

12 minutes ago, STC said:

 

Master of distortion. Who is talking about Ambisonics. 

Who sonics, phonics, dextrous, cares? Start your cult of http://www.ambiophonics.org/ thread as see how many consider this a sane persons living room stereo look:

 

Besides you...