chip Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I am just wondering so I thought I would ask. Has Sonore given up on the I2S interface? It was in their top of the line equipment not long ago and now I do not see or hear anything about it in the products or forums. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It's more like customers gave up on it. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 It sounds like the answer to my questions is YES. After proclaiming this as the best interface Sonore, it was included in their now discontinued Signature product, has now decided that due to commercial reasons (or maybe being too early to the party) they do not have any current plans to offer products with an I2S interface to high end DACs. I am not trying to be rude but I am just trying to get some clarity. Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, vortecjr said: It's more like customers gave up on it. btw: I did not give up on it. I am still using my Signature Series Rendu I2S interface to my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 There is no demand for it except for one or two people here and there. We can't maintain it's production that way. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 I can perfectly understand the economics of what you are saying. I just find it a bit disappointing. I have always looked at niche companies, like Sonore, to provide niche products but if that is not possible for survival then that is the way it is, like it or not. You must survive as a company. I would certainly be one of the few (here ot there) that would be interested in any new I2S products you may develop based on my experience with my SSR. I had hoped for the upgrade that Adrian talked about last year. Do you consider that a possibility or is this also off the development schedule? Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 We are always looking, but these things take time. If you talking about upgrading the unit for 384 PCM and higher rate DSD we should be able to do that, but it's going to be expensive and I'm not sure how quickly we can get the parts. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 btw, Adrian' comments in January 2017 I have referred to are: "Saying all this the developers of the SSR board (which we were Apprx 15% off) are working on a replacement board. We definitely are keeping an eye on them. " Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, vortecjr said: We are always looking, but these things take time. If you talking about upgrading the unit for 384 PCM and higher rate DSD we should be able to do that, but it's going to be expensive and I'm not sure how quickly we can get the parts. I am interested. Expensive is relative, what do you have in mind? Can it be done remotely? I am in Europe so doing something here could save transport cost. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, chip said: btw, Adrian' comments in January 2017 I have referred to are: "Saying all this the developers of the SSR board (which we were Apprx 15% off) are working on a replacement board. We definitely are keeping an eye on them. " I'll believe it when I see it:) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, chip said: I am interested. Expensive is relative, what do you have in mind? I'll talk to Adrian tomorrow and work out the details. Email him again in the afternoon. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
chip Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 typical sales guy!! I deal with them all the time. I project manage for an industrial automation company and sometimes I really am astounded by what sales guys tell customers and potential customers. Good luck with this. Let me know if anything develops. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 He is just conveying what we were told. So far nothing has materialized. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
chip Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 I understand that some things are out of your control. Just hoping. I was just joking around about sales in general. I certainly did not mean any disrespect for Adrian. I had a very good experience with him when I bought my SSR. Link to comment
PhilR Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Would you guys consider an i2s-only option model? Synology DS1515+ > PS Audio P10 > Innuos Zenith Mk II running Roon Core > IsoRegen/LPS-1 > Lyngdorf TDAI 2170 > Tekton Double Impact Speakers Link to comment
firedog Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 7 hours ago, PhilR said: Would you guys consider an i2s-only option model? Already answered. They had an i2s model before the microRendu that didn't sell well. Discontinued. Doesn't sound like the are itching to go back to that market. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Cooler Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, firedog said: Already answered. They had an i2s model before the microRendu that didn't sell well. Discontinued. Doesn't sound like the are itching to go back to that market. Market wasnt ready at that time, but now it does I would wait, maybe next year they will decide to do that or maybe some other company.. dCS Network Bridge | Audio Note DAC2 Signature | Audio Note M5 Preamp | Audio Note Empress Silver Monoblocks | Audio Note AN-E/Spe HE Speakers Link to comment
bunno77 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, firedog said: Already answered. They had an i2s model before the microRendu that didn't sell well. Discontinued. Doesn't sound like the are itching to go back to that market. Could that have been due to a lack of DACs with an i2s input? Looks like things may be changing in this area a little? Peach Audio Iso Transformer, Linn Akurate DSM, McIntosh MA2275 Paradigm 30th Anniversary Tributes, SVS SB13 Ultra x2, Dynaudio BM5A MKII Link to comment
Speed Racer Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, bunno77 said: Could that have been due to a lack of DACs with an i2s input? Looks like things may be changing in this area a little? It could be it was overpriced too..... Link to comment
bunno77 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Speed Racer said: It could be it was overpriced too..... Ahh ok that makes sense, i wasn't aware of the price. Peach Audio Iso Transformer, Linn Akurate DSM, McIntosh MA2275 Paradigm 30th Anniversary Tributes, SVS SB13 Ultra x2, Dynaudio BM5A MKII Link to comment
R1200CL Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 13 hours ago, PhilR said: Would you guys consider an i2s-only option model? If I have understood i2s interface correctly, you would need to have a very good clock on that device, and in addition is should be a better clock than your DAC, as the i2s interface bypass the DAC clock. This may also make a propper build device a bit expensive as well. Maybe most usefull on cheap DAC's,? though people seems to like i2s interface on the Spring DAC. Also wiring for the i2s signal may matter. I think John Swenson wrote about i2s not long time ago. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 14 hours ago, PhilR said: Would you guys consider an i2s-only option model? We have looked at every small board computer that has i2s and every single one has done it incorrectly and we will not follow their example. We also require that we run our own software (Sonicorbiter) so we can control the vertical and horizontal. Adding i2s to the microRendu or ultraRendu series would be a bad after thought. Sure we could use an on board XMOS receiver as other have done for digital output, but the complexity of this would not meet our keep it simple design criteria for the microRendu or ultraRendu series. There are then other issues like the fact that there are only really a hand full of i2s devices and they can't manage to agree on the pin assignment. So any product that we would consider making with i2s would have to also include other digital outputs. If we are going to proceed with an i2s/digtial output design we have our work cut out for us....we are going to want to use Sonicorbiter, it has to be very high quality, and it has to be a game changer. We have the foundation for just such a device, but it's 2 years out on the development cycle. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 6 hours ago, firedog said: Already answered. They had an i2s model before the microRendu that didn't sell well. Discontinued. Doesn't sound like the are itching to go back to that market. We were actually happy with the sales numbers because we knew full well that the unit was intended for a limited market. However, we can't build a company around a low volume business model. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 5 hours ago, bunno77 said: Could that have been due to a lack of DACs with an i2s input? Looks like things may be changing in this area a little? What has changed...it is still the case today:) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Speed Racer said: It could be it was overpriced too..... Not really because there were several options and configurations that were affordable. The Signature Rendu being the most expensive though. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
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