Tidal Loses CEO

[LCC0256]

if you have to ask in what ways Sal disagrees with Mr. Carter - then you would not understand when he told you...If you have read Sal's postings  over the years you will see he is not someone trying to "show off virtue" His posts are well reasoned and made with conviction yet not judgmental. He has disagreed with me in the past several times yet i never felt he was judging me at all nor did i feel he was asserting any moral superiority. You go on supporting and being a Jay Z fanboy. This (for now) is still a free country. 

[Sal1950]

6 minutes ago, LCC0256 said:

if you have to ask in what ways Sal disagrees with Mr. Carter - then you would not understand when he told you...If you have read Sal's postings  over the years you will see he is not someone trying to "show off virtue" His posts are well reasoned and made with conviction yet not judgmental. He has disagreed with me in the past several times yet i never felt he was judging me at all nor did i feel he was asserting any moral superiority. You go on supporting and being a Jay Z fanboy. This (for now) is still a free country. 

Thank you for that, it is very much appreciated.

cent' anni

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, LCC0256 said:

if you have to ask in what ways Sal disagrees with Mr. Carter - then you would not understand when he told you...If you have read Sal's postings  over the years you will see he is not someone trying to "show off virtue" His posts are well reasoned and made with conviction yet not judgmental. He has disagreed with me in the past several times yet i never felt he was judging me at all nor did i feel he was asserting any moral superiority. You go on supporting and being a Jay Z fanboy. This (for now) is still a free country. 

 

Thanks for elevating your own intelligence above mine by saying I wouldn't understand. 

 

So far I haven't seen anything to understand. 

[LCC0256]

Chris i was responding to Trappy's comment. On your new and improved site the referencing of a post to quote in a reply is not as intuitive as it was on your old site. So that is why i did not post Trappy's comment directly with mine. As for your misconception that i am elevating my intellect above yours - well i apologize if you got that idea - I certainly do not think nor did i mean to infer that. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, LCC0256 said:

Chris i was responding to Trappy's comment. On your new and improved site the referencing of a post to quote in a reply is not as intuitive as it was on your old site. So that is why i did not post Trappy's comment directly with mine. As for your misconception that i am elevating my intellect above yours - well i apologize if you got that idea - I certainly do not think nor did i mean to infer that. 

Ah. No worries. 

[trappy]

Ah, "I know you are but what am I ?" In other words. Bravo.

 

[trappy]

25 minutes ago, LCC0256 said:

if you have to ask in what ways Sal disagrees with Mr. Carter - then you would not understand when he told you...If you have read Sal's postings  over the years you will see he is not someone trying to "show off virtue" His posts are well reasoned and made with conviction yet not judgmental. He has disagreed with me in the past several times yet i never felt he was judging me at all nor did i feel he was asserting any moral superiority. You go on supporting and being a Jay Z fanboy. This (for now) is still a free country. 

 

Well, I'll work on the assumption that if even Chris was previously unaware of Sal's vehemently held views then I don't think I with my albeit scarcely negligible 300-odd posts  need to feel bad about missing them. I think perhaps you might have a look at the first tightly-woven interjection Sal made to this thread, which, btw, threw it right off the rails. I say again, you made the parade of virtue, Sal: yours to defend it.

 

i have, btw, zero interest in Sean Carter's music, nor his glitzy life. I like his music service up to a point, and think he has an interesting approach for artists, but a pretty dull one for consumers. For my money, though, the best streaming service, by far, was Rdio, which had a far better social connectivity platform than any of them, and had created a genuinely new way of experiencing and sharing music, instead of just packaging up an old model. If it still existed I'd still be using it with or without lossless streaming.

 

 

[Booster MPS]

4 hours ago, crenca said:

 

It is absurd, but that IS what the man (i.e. Booster) is saying...he is careful to avoid the word of course.

 

@Sal1950 and @crenca - The word racist was not used because I don't have grounds to use that label for a person, preference, or policy that was being discussed here.  Look guys, I did not craft a clever message with the intent to stop "just short" of indictment to call anyone out.  What I said is that this predictable, constant, and singular disdain for this one genre is a product of our relationship with race/diversity, at least in the States.  I am not sorry if that rubs some the wrong way.  The problem that I am pointing to is looking at this discussion on the Tidal streaming predictably devolving into members throwing stones at Jay Z and rap music.  That is fact and it comes from looking at the rap genre from only within most member's experience and not being able to/willing to consider ANY of it outside of their experience.  You know the one thing, about the one person in rap, or you heard the one song that offended you, and everything about it offends you.  If I told you that Blue Jay Z's daughter was a prodigy classical pianist at the age of 5, I guess even she is guilty by association and worthy of everybody checking in to vote in that discussion  - I hate rap and Jay Z.  

 

I have no idea of the race of anybody here, but I will stand up and identify as a 40's black guy who is from the south.  The deep south.  My parents lived the majority of their life under Jim Crow.  Google the Michael Donald lynching, that is my home town and I remember that event vividly.  So I am saying I have lived this and know a little bit about the topic of race, racism, and our troubled relationship with race and diversity in the States.  But my blackness does not make me the defacto rap music expert so don't take that away from this discussion.  I am not the ordained apologist for CA.  Nobody is a racist for not liking rap or Jay Z, but when anything rap/Jay Z related goes down and all the hate comes out.....wow.  It's like people post just to "make sure their rap hate is counted" yet again.  We don't do that for any other genre and discussion here.  Why does it happen for this one.

[BilboAlaska]

OK, I hate country, whiner rock, falsetto singers and more.

 

 

[crenca]

38 minutes ago, Booster MPS said:

 

1) The word racist was not used because I don't have grounds to use that label for a person, preference, or policy that was being discussed here.  Look guys, I did not craft a clever message with the intent to stop "just short" of indictment to call anyone out.  What I said is that this predictable, constant, and singular disdain for this one genre is a product of our relationship with race/diversity, at least in the States....

 

2) If I told you that Blue Jay Z's daughter was a prodigy classical pianist at the age of 5, I guess even she is guilty by association and worthy of everybody checking in to vote in that discussion  - I hate rap and Jay Z.....  

 

3) I but I will stand up and identify as a 40's black guy who is from the south.  The deep south.  My parents lived the majority of their life under Jim Crow.  Google the Michael Donald lynching, that is my home town and I remember that event vividly.  So I am saying I have lived this and know a little bit about the topic of race, racism, and our troubled relationship with race and diversity in the States...

 

4)  We don't do that for any other genre and discussion here.  Why does it happen for this one.

 

1)  That is called "racism. You don't get to define it any more than I do.  You are calling the dislike of rap that I and others have as being racist in origin.  Own it man!

 

2) Pleeassseeee.  Who mentioned anyone's daughter but you, and why is she "guilty"??

 

3)  I am a 48 year old white guy from small town Oklahoma.  I distinctly remember the causal racism and sexism from my youth.  So dislike of rap IS about racism after all...apparantly?

 

4)  I don't know...if Diana Krall came to this forum I think she might disagree with you   

 

 

 

[Sal1950]

1 hour ago, Booster MPS said:

 Nobody is a racist for not liking rap or Jay Z, but when anything rap/Jay Z related goes down and all the hate comes out.....wow.

Just a quick observation after which I intend to let this threads current direction die.

Along with racist, why are some people so quick to throw out extreme descriptive words like hate or hater?

No matter my personal feelings toward Jay Z or even rap in general  (which I never mentioned even once in this thread), I can take a political position against either without any feelings or intent of hate. People who hate commit actions of violence going as far as the lynching you mentioned, or the beating of white Trump supporters by blacks on the streets of Chicago and elsewhere. Are you suggesting that because I refuse to inject even one cent of my money into Jay Z's wealth that I would lynch him if the opportunity presented itself? I'm sure your not, but I think you get the point I'm trying to make.

In the last decade or two we have become way too quick to throw out horrid descriptors for people who's honorable positions we disagree with, in a attempt to discredit them and present them as deplorable people.

These approaches are as dishonorable and lacking in integrity as any I've witnessed and hopefully people will rise above one day.

 

BTW, I'm a approaching 70 Italian-American that was born, grew up on, and lived until my retirement in 2010, on the inner city streets of Chicago.  I know dang near as much or more than most about street life in the "hood" and the conditions they present.

[crenca]

19 minutes ago, Sal1950 said:

Just a quick observation after which I intend to let this threads current direction die.

 

 

I don't know Sal, much talk about "having an honest discussion about race" in this country recently and perhaps Booster wants to have one...with out calling it racism...even though that is exactly what he is talking about.  So much for "honest" discussion.  

 

Perhaps I expect too much...we can't always bear the weight of certain things.  He might be right in that it needs to be talked about but in a kind of "secret" kind of way.  Like looking at something hard to bear but only for a second and not calling the monster by its real name.

 

Your point about "hate" is taken - with the caveat that in the context of musical taste it simply does not have the import.

[wgscott]

45 minutes ago, crenca said:

1)  That is called "racism. You don't get to define it any more than I do.  You are calling the dislike of rap that I and others have as being racist in origin.  Own it man!

 

I don't think that is technically correct.  There could be a racial component to something, and there could even be racial prejudice, without something being racist. Racism is an ideology, one that sometimes is even encoded into law (like Jim Crow laws), and usually involves a power structure of economic or political dominance of one race over another.

[crenca]

10 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

I don't think that is technically correct.  There could be a racial component to something, and there could even be racial prejudice, without something being racist. Racism is an ideology, one that sometimes is even encoded into law (like Jim Crow laws), and usually involves a power structure of economic or political dominance of one race over another.

 

 

Well shucks...you almost have me convinced.  Is this "racial component" a kind of "subconscious" racism?  Or is it even more fundamental?  Being born into my time and place, as who I am genetically, culturally, etc. am I just a prisoner of all this and I can't help be a "victim" of this "racial component" anymore than Booster can be of his circumstances?  If all this is true then what can be done about it?  Sort of like complaining about breathing is it not - I mean I might not like the inconvenience of breathing but what can really be done about it? 

 

Does any of this mean I have to like rap?

[Jud]

1 hour ago, Sal1950 said:

the beating of white Trump supporters by blacks on the streets of Chicago

 

Snopes says it was a traffic altercation, not political.

[Sal1950]

20 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

Snopes says it was a traffic altercation, not political.

What a sad statement that is. 

If the colors were reversed but the exact same words and actions taken it would have been a headline story for weeks about the "hate crime" in Chicago.

Nuff said, let's not go there.

[AudioDoctor]

20 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

Can you see the hypocrisy in those two paragraph?

 

How is eating not eating at Chick-Fil-A going against my own self interest?  I don't do it either, for the same reason.

[AudioDoctor]

2 hours ago, Booster MPS said:

 

@Sal1950 and @crenca - The word racist was not used because I don't have grounds to use that label for a person, preference, or policy that was being discussed here.  Look guys, I did not craft a clever message with the intent to stop "just short" of indictment to call anyone out.  What I said is that this predictable, constant, and singular disdain for this one genre is a product of our relationship with race/diversity, at least in the States.  I am not sorry if that rubs some the wrong way.  The problem that I am pointing to is looking at this discussion on the Tidal streaming predictably devolving into members throwing stones at Jay Z and rap music.  That is fact and it comes from looking at the rap genre from only within most member's experience and not being able to/willing to consider ANY of it outside of their experience.  You know the one thing, about the one person in rap, or you heard the one song that offended you, and everything about it offends you.  If I told you that Blue Jay Z's daughter was a prodigy classical pianist at the age of 5, I guess even she is guilty by association and worthy of everybody checking in to vote in that discussion  - I hate rap and Jay Z.  

 

I have no idea of the race of anybody here, but I will stand up and identify as a 40's black guy who is from the south.  The deep south.  My parents lived the majority of their life under Jim Crow.  Google the Michael Donald lynching, that is my home town and I remember that event vividly.  So I am saying I have lived this and know a little bit about the topic of race, racism, and our troubled relationship with race and diversity in the States.  But my blackness does not make me the defacto rap music expert so don't take that away from this discussion.  I am not the ordained apologist for CA.  Nobody is a racist for not liking rap or Jay Z, but when anything rap/Jay Z related goes down and all the hate comes out.....wow.  It's like people post just to "make sure their rap hate is counted" yet again.  We don't do that for any other genre and discussion here.  Why does it happen for this one.

 

We have a few vocal "trump" supporters here. Don't let them get you down.

[Ralf11]

1 hour ago, crenca said:

 

 

Well shucks...you almost have me convinced.  Is this "racial component" a kind of "subconscious" racism?  Or is it even more fundamental?  Being born into my time and place, as who I am genetically, culturally, etc. am I just a prisoner of all this and I can't help be a "victim" of this "racial component" anymore than Booster can be of his circumstances?  If all this is true then what can be done about it?  Sort of like complaining about breathing is it not - I mean I might not like the inconvenience of breathing but what can really be done about it? 

 

Does any of this mean I have to like rap?

 

It is more fundamental, depending on how you define it.  An "in-group" vs. "outgroup" sort of mental bias is built-in (and is found in many species).

 

And, yeh you can fix it -- or at least mitigate it.  

[Teresa]

1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

How is eating not eating at Chick-Fil-A going against my own self interest?  I don't do it either, for the same reason.

 

I just want to point out there is also a non-political reason for not eating at Chick-Fil-A. I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat any dead animals including chickens.

[AudioDoctor]

2 minutes ago, Teresa said:

 

I just want to point out there is also a non-political reason for not eating at Chick-Fil-A. I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat any dead animals including chickens.

 

You are right, that is another reason.

[Sal1950]

1 hour ago, Teresa said:

 

I just want to point out there is also a non-political reason for not eating at Chick-Fil-A. I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat any dead animals including chickens.

No love lost for killin the poor plants huh.

[Teresa]

11 minutes ago, Sal1950 said:

No love lost for killin the poor plants huh.

 

We don't kill plants, we eat the fruit they deliver. If no one ate it, fruits, vegetables and nuts would rot on the ground.

[Sal1950]

6 minutes ago, Teresa said:

and nuts would rot on the ground

You know they say you are what you eat. 

Just teasin you Teresa.

God Bless

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, Teresa said:

 

I just want to point out there is also a non-political reason for not eating at Chick-Fil-A. I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat any dead animals including chickens.

 

Veganism is Murder