Tidal Loses CEO

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7 minutes ago, bmoura said:

Billboard Magazine reports today that Tidal has lost their CEO. 

A replacement will be named soon.
 

 

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7809477/tidal-ceo-jeff-toig-departure-jeffrey-new-executive

 

 

This is a problem for me.  Roon's value is much much less without Tidal.  My current listening (particularly around discovery) is Tidal dependent.  Tidal's demise (is it tomorrow?  next week?) will mean an adjustment...

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2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Did I miss something that said Tidal was closing its doors?

 

No. However, this uneasy feeling I have about the viability of the company (based on it's well know woes) is not groundless I don't think...or is it?

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1 hour ago, GUTB said:

A CEO departure always means a large "change" is forthcoming. By "change", of course, I mean a reduction. Sprint will leverage the platform somehow, and all the other stuff Tidal does is going to be eliminated. I bet you streaming audiophiles is not a market anyone cares about. Tidal tried to bring audiophile grade sound to the streaming masses, but the masses have proven over and over that they don't place a high value in sound quality.

 

This is a real possibility I think.  Although I give it less than say, 33%...

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1 minute ago, daverich4 said:

 

You say let's not tip toe around but you never actually get around to using the word Racist. That is what you meant though, isn't it? I don't care for Rap as a musical genre so I must be a Racist? I don't care for Opera all the much either but that's mostly overweight white people. What's the epithet for that?

 

Yea, what he said.  

 

I dislike Rap enough that I must be some sort of "Grand Duke" of a Racist.  Where do I get the T-shirt?  Wait, that's not enough.  Swastika's always bored me so I won't be tattooing one of those on my forehead...will dressing up in a pointy had and a white robe do?  I mean, I don't want anyone to get confused about where I stand.

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Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I believe you're using a logical fallacy that says is A isn't true, the opposite, or Z, must be true. 

 

 

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What he was responding to is defended as racist - not an individual, crude, bigotry but a kind of racism of the aristocracy - a racism of "ideas".  It is very very common allegation in Academia for example  - do I need to point to examples?

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1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Now you don't support Tidal because Sean Carter used the legal system to the best of his ability, just like you or I would? You think a prosecutor put his career on the line to let Sean Carter off? Wow. And you factor this into your lossless music streaming thought process. Wow.

 

 

 

Good point.  The failures (or successes) of the "broken justice system" are just that, and yes anyone of us would of course poor all our resources and talent into keeping our own behinds out of it

 

 

On the below, not "strange", just different - a different set of principles than the ones that inform a libertarian outlook...

 

 

 

I support CFA to do whatever they want. I'm not sacrificing by not eating the food. I can eat at millions of other places. On the other hand, you are sacrificing by streaming lossy music because Tidal is the only game in town, and you do that like the guy who committed crimes 17 years ago. It's just strange to me. 

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2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

You're doing the same thing. Did anyone say those who don't like rap are racist? That would be absurd. 

 

It is absurd, but that IS what the man (i.e. Booster) is saying...he is careful to avoid the word of course.

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11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Someday I hope we can all meet up for a beverage. I'm sure the discussions would be so interesting and fun to have with you guys. Honestly. 

 

 

I will buy the first round (and probably more).  

 

This faceless format is part of the problem - discussing tubes, MQA, and racism is always more pleasant over a glass of beer.  Then we can see in each others smiles just how unimportant it all really is...

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38 minutes ago, Booster MPS said:

 

1) The word racist was not used because I don't have grounds to use that label for a person, preference, or policy that was being discussed here.  Look guys, I did not craft a clever message with the intent to stop "just short" of indictment to call anyone out.  What I said is that this predictable, constant, and singular disdain for this one genre is a product of our relationship with race/diversity, at least in the States....

 

2) If I told you that Blue Jay Z's daughter was a prodigy classical pianist at the age of 5, I guess even she is guilty by association and worthy of everybody checking in to vote in that discussion  - I hate rap and Jay Z.....  

 

3) I but I will stand up and identify as a 40's black guy who is from the south.  The deep south.  My parents lived the majority of their life under Jim Crow.  Google the Michael Donald lynching, that is my home town and I remember that event vividly.  So I am saying I have lived this and know a little bit about the topic of race, racism, and our troubled relationship with race and diversity in the States...

 

4)  We don't do that for any other genre and discussion here.  Why does it happen for this one.

 

1)  That is called "racism. You don't get to define it any more than I do.  You are calling the dislike of rap that I and others have as being racist in origin.  Own it man!

 

2) Pleeassseeee.  Who mentioned anyone's daughter but you, and why is she "guilty"??

 

3)  I am a 48 year old white guy from small town Oklahoma.  I distinctly remember the causal racism and sexism from my youth.  So dislike of rap IS about racism after all...apparantly?

 

4)  I don't know...if Diana Krall came to this forum I think she might disagree with you   

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Sal1950 said:

Just a quick observation after which I intend to let this threads current direction die.

 

 

I don't know Sal, much talk about "having an honest discussion about race" in this country recently and perhaps Booster wants to have one...with out calling it racism...even though that is exactly what he is talking about.  So much for "honest" discussion.  

 

Perhaps I expect too much...we can't always bear the weight of certain things.  He might be right in that it needs to be talked about but in a kind of "secret" kind of way.  Like looking at something hard to bear but only for a second and not calling the monster by its real name.

 

Your point about "hate" is taken - with the caveat that in the context of musical taste it simply does not have the import.

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10 minutes ago, wgscott said:

 

I don't think that is technically correct.  There could be a racial component to something, and there could even be racial prejudice, without something being racist. Racism is an ideology, one that sometimes is even encoded into law (like Jim Crow laws), and usually involves a power structure of economic or political dominance of one race over another.

 

 

Well shucks...you almost have me convinced.  Is this "racial component" a kind of "subconscious" racism?  Or is it even more fundamental?  Being born into my time and place, as who I am genetically, culturally, etc. am I just a prisoner of all this and I can't help be a "victim" of this "racial component" anymore than Booster can be of his circumstances?  If all this is true then what can be done about it?  Sort of like complaining about breathing is it not - I mean I might not like the inconvenience of breathing but what can really be done about it? 

 

Does any of this mean I have to like rap?

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28 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Intelligent Design seems as credible as many of the beliefs that your typical audiophile holds.   

 

Too true, too true...