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yes @flummoxe, I know this since I have the dCS bridge and it would only accept it via a Mutec MC3+ USB as external wordclock.

There is no direct input for a ref clock.

 

The mutec MC3+ USB changes absolutely nothing to SQ when used as external wordclock vs using internal clock of the dCS network bridge. Maybe the Ref 10 would increase overall system SQ but it's hard to say.

 

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4 minutes ago, pam1975 said:

yes @flummoxe, I know this since I have the dCS bridge and it would only accept it via a Mutec MC3+ USB as external wordclock.

There is no direct input for a ref clock.

 

The mutec MC3+ USB changes absolutely nothing to SQ when used as external wordclock vs using internal clock of the dCS network bridge. Maybe the Ref 10 would increase overall system SQ but it's hard to say.

 

 

Thanks for the response.

 

Please excuse my ignorance on this subject as it's new to me, but the dCS Bridge does have 2 world clock inputs?

 Innuos Zenith SE (Roon Core) > Curious USB/Upton ISO REGEN +LPS-1/USPCB> Chord Hugo TT > ATC SCM 40A

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The frequencies are different, therefore they won't be compatible unless we add Mutec MC-3+ between dCS Network Bridge and Mutec REF 10

 

https://www.mutec-net.com/product_ref_10.php

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2 x 10 MHz reference clock BNC output, 50 Ω terminated, unbalanced

6 x 10 MHz reference clock BNC output, 75 Ω terminated, unbalanced

 

https://www.dcsltd.co.uk/products/network-bridge/specification

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2x Word Clock Inputs on 2x BNC connectors, accept standard word clock at 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4 or 192kHz. The data rate can be the same as the clock rate or an exact multiple of the clock rate.

 

For a direct connection from Mutec REF 10 to a network streamer, we'll need something similar to Esoteric N-05 or SoTM sMS-200Ultra with 10 MHz reference clock BNC inputs

 

http://www.esoteric.jp/products/esoteric/n05/indexe.html

http://www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/sms-200ultra/

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12 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

The frequencies are different, therefore they won't be compatible unless we add Mutec MC-3+ between dCS Network Bridge and Mutec REF 10

 

https://www.mutec-net.com/product_ref_10.php

 

https://www.dcsltd.co.uk/products/network-bridge/specification

 

For a direct connection from Mutec REF 10 to a network streamer, we'll need something similar to Esoteric N-05 or SoTM sMS-200Ultra with 10 MHz reference clock BNC inputs

 

http://www.esoteric.jp/products/esoteric/n05/indexe.html

http://www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/english/portfolio-item/sms-200ultra/

 

Thanks for the comprehensive reply!

 Innuos Zenith SE (Roon Core) > Curious USB/Upton ISO REGEN +LPS-1/USPCB> Chord Hugo TT > ATC SCM 40A

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19 hours ago, Miko said:

Does anyone run multiple MC3USB's? Before the R10 was born, there was a lot of talk about cascading them and someone tested up to 4 and thought 3 was the sweet spot.

 

I bought a MC3USB a few months back. It replaced a Singxer SU-1. I think it's incredible and elevated my systems performance. Just today, well Saturday... I just bought another MC3USB. 

 

I am gunning for the Triple 3USB freight train.. and now it's looking like I'll be ordering the R10 to boot. 

 

My question(s)

 

Does anyone use multiple MC3's?

 

My DAC is a Tascam DA-3000 (Busman Audio modified) it has a word clock in/out, has anyone tried syncing their DACS to a MC3?

 

I assume I would use a AES/EBU cable between my MC3's?

 

When I pick up an R10... I could use it to sync my MC3's and DAC? I don't have very many sources, just my PC running JRiver and my modded Oppo 103.

 

thanks for any and all help!

 

And congratulations to Mutec! They are certainly trying to and achieving a remarkable track record for bringing excellent products at real world prices for all of us.

 

Having looked at the clock market in the past, it's clear that the new R10 is certainly priced within reach for just about everyone who has more then a few bucks invested in their systems. 

 

It's certainly interesting to triple-stack MC-3+ USB since we could modify them and then feed all of them with a single SoTM sPS-500. It's able provide up to 50W while the maximum power consumption of each MC-3+ USB unit is only 10W.

 

However, I'd like to know if we're getting even better performance with one modified Matrix X-SPDIF 2 + SoTM sCLK-EX combo followed by two more Mutec MC-3+ USB. It's well known that latest XMOS XU208 should be able outperform any predecessors if we're feeding everything with quality power source. Since modified MC-3+ USB does accept 7V without any issues, maybe we could get away with distributing 50W from sPS-500 to power all four sources:

  • sCLK-EX with 10 MHz master clock input
  • X-SPDIF 2 modified by SoTM
  • MC-3+ USB #1
  • MC-3+ USB #2

FYI - Singxer SU-1 (not sure if that were stock or modified?) was already beaten by Matrix X-SPDIF 2 according to this review here

 

https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/xmos-xu208-usb-bridges-the-latest-gen-has-arrived.803111/page-246#post-13601725

https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/matrix-x-spdif-2-a-singxer-su-1-killer.855159/#post-13598256

 

(Maybe MC-3+ USB does sound better than your stock SU-1 with the original Talema PSU but many of us replaced that with LPS-1 and it's a huge difference.)

 

Another reviewer found that both stock SU-1 was nearly as good as MC-3+ USB

 

http://www.basshead.club/spdif-battle-mutec-singxer-lynx-rednet-et-al/

 

The sound should be sweetest from the WCLK output of MC-3+ USB #2 and we could connect our DAC to that particular one, therefore we could simply modify any USB DDC we want with sCLK-EX as long as we're getting the latest and greatest XMOS XU208.

 

And then there's also a way to eliminate USB altogether with Raspberry Pi and single / multiple I2S FIFO II KIT by Ian Jin

 

https://github.com/iancanada/DocumentDownload
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/207438-ian-asynchronous-i2s-pdif-fifo-kit-buy-61.html

 

SoTM did mention that multiple clocks with the same frequency could share the same output of sCLK-EX and that's why it would be so much fun to triple-stack that $139 kit linked above. However, it's only able to accept 5V to 6V and we've gotta add those excellent LT3045 from Dubai for converting 7V to 6V accordingly

 

http://www.ldovr.com/category-s/118.htm

 

S/PDIF Interface Board for FIFO II costs less than $100 and we could also modify that with clock with sCLK-EX. Then we could connect that to either MC-3+ or MC-3+ USB for those of us who do need WCLK outputs.

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With my set up I use a Balanced Power system (2RQ from Equi-Tec) that is fed from an unused electric dryer circuit in my home. It was a 30 amp line and I had a electrician route it to my living room, and it's now a 20 amp line and that is running my whole system.

 

I don't hear the difference in power supplies anymore. The way these balanced power set ups work is essentially the same as balanced cable. It was pricy when you factor in the wiring and ground issues. ( my home is older and it was recently updated before I bought it but it wasn't up to code and if something should happen, its best to make damn sure you have papers backing up what was done along with having it certified )

 

Since that time, the depth of sound and space between instruments has increased. For example, Fleetwood Mac "Family man"  several times I found myself looking at my speakers wondering how the female vocals can seem to be a few feet off to the side of them during the chorus. 

 

I use a JL Audio CR-1 Crossover and split the signal to individual subwoofers. I'm still dialing in the Crossover points and even a very small incremental adjustment can change the whole presentation. 

 

I am am looking forward to trying an additional MC3 USB and hearing what that will do. I originally envisioned 4 as that is nice and symmetrically advantageous. But now that the Ref 10 is here... dang... there just went $3,500!!

 

Anyone else multi-mutec-ing??

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FYI - it's nice to read the manual and learn more about REF 10

 

https://www.mutec-net.com/downloads/manuals/MUTEC_REF_10_Manual_V1_E_screen.pdf

 

BTW, I did a quick search on decent 50Ω BNC cables and so far I could actually count the results with one hand

 

Esoteric 8N-A2000 BNC (Discontinued)
http://www.esoteric.jp/products/esoteric/8na2000bnc/indexe.html

 

Shunyata Alpha Clock-50 ($1,000/£1,000)
https://shunyata-uk.com/product/digital-cables/alpha-clock/
http://www.shunyata.com/media/PDFs/2017_Cable_Guide_v2.pdf#page=60

 

Shunyata Sigma Clock-50 ($2,000/£2,000)

https://shunyata-uk.com/product/digital-cables/sigma-clock/

http://www.shunyata.com/media/PDFs/2017_Cable_Guide_v2.pdf#page=72

 

Evolution Acoustics BNC Links ($6,000)
http://www.evolutionacoustics.com/cables/bnc-links/

 

Of course we could always stick with the good ol' Mogami

 

http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/video/push_pull_bnc/

http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/video/subminiature_miniature/

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On 23/07/2017 at 4:19 AM, jelt2359 said:

In our recent testing with Chord Dave and Blu2, the Dave owners were surprised by how much the Ref10 added to the Dave with an SoTM setup (ultra + TXB + Switch). With the Blu2, the impact was a bit less, but still very discernible. Nothing at all like some other 10mhz clocks I've tried. The air becomes distinct, separation between instruments becomes much better, and best of all it does it all without sharpening any edges. It's an organic and smooth type of improvement.

 

One testee remarked, this was the type of improvement that he had never heard from anything else other than a clock. It's really quite stunning!

 

Personally I am using it with my 3+ USB and Rednet. I also have an Yggy if anyone is interested to know what the improvements with that are like- but I haven't gotten there yet. Very happy listening to my current combination.

 

Really glad to hear that the REF 10 is working out so well in the setups you've described. Thanks for spreading the word!

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On 23/07/2017 at 1:39 PM, Miko said:

 

 

I am am looking forward to trying an additional MC3 USB and hearing what that will do. I originally envisioned 4 as that is nice and symmetrically advantageous. But now that the Ref 10 is here... dang... there just went $3,500!!

 

Anyone else multi-mutec-ing??

@julian.david I'd like to know if it is Mutec or another who is endorsing multiple MC3+ units chained in a system o.O?

I was thinking a singular MC3+ with Ref10 will suffice, since I cannot figure how this additional units can incrementally improve the quality.

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40 minutes ago, k-man said:

@julian.david I'd like to know if it is Mutec or another who is endorsing multiple MC3+ units chained in a system o.O?

I was thinking a singular MC3+ with Ref10 will suffice, since I cannot figure how this additional units can incrementally improve the quality.

Please read this test/review of up to 4 units cascaded.

 

https://www.mutec-net.com/artikel.php?id=1388254422

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You are welcome! I was writing a note to Julian and seen your post so I thought you may want to read it. It was that article that made me want to try multi mutec-ing :)

 

I should have my 2nd unit and cables by the end of the week, I'll share my thoughts once I have it installed in my system.

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On 8/11/2017 at 0:02 AM, soundlogic said:

Anyone else received their REF 10, that would like to chime in with a review?

 

Just received my Ref 10 today with HABST Clock Cable. I am using it with MC-3+ USB with rMBP as a source running ROON (headphone system). Out of the box, the Ref 10 is very very nice indeed (both the looks and construction) . My initial impression (IMHO) for sound quality, just for comparison so people can have better idea of improvement, is like without the Ref10 I am listening to 44.1k redbook quality file source. But with Ref10 added, its like I am listening to DSD file (I am not sure if that make sense, sorry English is my 2nd language). I really like what I am hearing. Everything is less digital and more natural. That's all I can say for now

 

I will post more detail impression soon once everything is dialed in.

 

 

"Its the REF clock that makes it all so good..."

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Those cables are waaay too much money!

the dirty secret is that the majority of recording studios use quite inexpensive cabling.

 

If you want value for your money, I suggest looking into Supra. I've been slowly replacing all my cables with Supra.

 

The only real nod to excess in my system is the pure silver alpha goertz mi veracity speaker cables. The only reason I even have those is because I found them for sale by a pawn shop on eBay and paid well below 50% of actual retail.

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