mmerrill99 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 You could try just taking a photo of the scope screen & save yourself all the hassle of file conversions, etc? Link to comment
Daudio Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 47 minutes ago, JohnSwenson said: BUT the image format is very old so none of the current programs will read it, so John, Are you aware of GraphicConverter for the Mac ? It handles over 200 image formats. Maybe yours ? It's been around the Mac world for so long that it may not be as well known now, but an old friend of the Tidbits crowd Link to comment
kalinka Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Something crossed my mind just now We all agree the regen makes pratically every system to sound better. More "weight" and better "clarity" are among the mentioned -by me as well- benefits. So, all this improvement comes just from having a better USB signal? Or the regen has some sort of "sonic signature" that is responsible for what we are listening? Sorry if this has been answered before, I'm kinda new around here and did not take place in the discussions about the original regen. Link to comment
tommytastic Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Hi, What is expected to sound better in each of following 2 scenarios. I have approx £600-700 to spend on new streaming solution. Already have chord mojo. For now looking at. 1. micro rendu 2. Iso regeneration & mac mini If i can afford a bit more or looking at upgrade later.. (Essentially here question is which benefits more from LPS1?) 1. Microrendu & Lps1 2 Iso regen & Lps1 & mac mini I think I'd prefer mac mini (or nuc or some kind) so I can switch seamlessly between spotify and roon. Having to change mode in microrendu puts me off. So ISO regeneration provide equal/better SQ as microrendu to standard pc then would suit me better. Thanks for any insight. mikicasellas 1 Link to comment
SWL3600 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I ordered mine yesterday. The ISO-REGEN will be replacing the USB Regen I'm currently using powered by the LPS-1. Will the voltage setting on the LPS-1 be the same for the ISO as it is for the USB Regen? Link to comment
Confused Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Could this device afford any benafit if installed between a microRendu and a Mutec MC3+USB? Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
Jud Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, kalinka said: Something crossed my mind just now We all agree the regen makes pratically every system to sound better. More "weight" and better "clarity" are among the mentioned -by me as well- benefits. So, all this improvement comes just from having a better USB signal? Or the regen has some sort of "sonic signature" that is responsible for what we are listening? Sorry if this has been answered before, I'm kinda new around here and did not take place in the discussions about the original regen. Can't of anything the Regen does that would cause something like that other than perhaps correct impedance matching, which would make any "sonic signature" the um, correct one. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, tommytastic said: I think I'd prefer mac mini (or nuc or some kind) so I can switch seamlessly between spotify and roon. Having to change mode in microrendu puts me off. Well, what if Roon supports Spotify ? What are you using today. And why not considder SonicTransporter? ssh 1 Link to comment
tommytastic Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, R1200CL said: Well, what if Roon supports Spotify ? What are you using today. And why not considder SonicTransporter? As good as Roon is, it's not as user freindly as spotify app for discovering new artists and I love the personalised play lists. Spotify connect or tidal over chromecast is far more immediate and accessible than roon. There is a weird disconnect in roon using tidal between tidal library and roon library. I currently use a chromecast for tidal/spotify/tunein and also have a Roon license but need a new living room friendly PC for it. The sound via chromecast optical is good but not as good as over usb from pc. My ideal would probably be a unit that allows "casting/connect" of spotify lossless and tunein. I tend to prefer the native apps than the generic ones. I have a sonos connect too and found the spotify integration on that poor. I think they are doing spotify connect now too but like the chromecast it's not as good SQ as via my pc. Sonic transporter is basically microrendu right with lower SQ? How does it help? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, tommytastic said: Sonic transporter is basically microrendu right with lower SQ? How does it help? A MicroRendu is an endpoint with almost same SW as the SonicTransporter. The SonicTransporter is meant to be a RoonServer. Just like your suggested Mac. You can do USB direc from it. (+ ISO regen). No need for the MicroRendu. An upgraded Mac mini with UpTone mod may be equal. I don't know. Link to comment
audiojerry Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I just joined as a new member of the forum, though I've been an audio enthusiast for more than a couple of decades, and I used to participate in other forums like AudioCircle. I began immersing myself in computer streamed audio a little more than 18 months ago, and am a true believer in the superior sound quality of streaming files (especially high resolution downloads) over CD playback using highly regarded playback equipment and cabling. As a computer audio newcomer, I'm hoping I might be able to get some advice the knowledgeable and friendly members of this forum, but I'll ask those questions as new posts. That's it for my mini introduction. So now I'll build to my question about the ISO Regen and LPS-1. I took the plunge on the original USB Regen a year ago after I inquired about it on the Uptone Audio website. I was most impressed that my questions were patiently addressed and answered by Superdad personally. My computer playback system is fairly modest (using a USB hard drive as my music library feeding a Windows laptop running JRiver outputted to a Parasound Halo with built-in dac), and as soon as I inserted the Regen in front of the Halo I immediately heard a significant improvement in sound quality. Based on my very satisifying experience with the USB Regen and Alex, I did not hesitate to order the ISO Regen and LPS-1. Here's the question: My system has always been plugged into a pair of isolation transformers acquired from a lab where they were previously used with electron microscopes. Should I continue using the transformer assigned to my digital components with the ISO Regen and LPS-1, or would there be any concerns for some sort of conflict or intererence between them? Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted April 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2017 Hi all: I wanted to mention in the interest of full disclosure that as a perk for helping to test the ISO Regen, Alex very kindly will be sending me a production version gratis. (I did not hesitate to give a fair evaluation, as Alex and John can tell you!) So although I don't feel it's affected my view of the ISO Regen's impact on my system (what I've reported here matches what I told Alex and John about the sound privately), I thought it only fair to let anyone reading what I say here know this. mozes, Middy, asdf1000 and 3 others 6 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
k-man Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Well earned Jud! I'll thank you for your contributions to its development whenever I get to hear it. Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 3 hours ago, JohnSwenson said: This one is tough. In order to try and measure this sort of thing I bought some older (then) top of the line test equipment from ebay, I can get great eye patterns with this, it is good for looking at the waveforms but useless for jitter measurement. The jitter from any of our devices is lower than what these devices can measure. The waveforms from the ISO REGEN look REALLY good. Unfortunately getting screen dumps is quite a complex task and very time consuming so I don't do it very often. I don't have any saved eye patterns so I'm not going to be able to post anything for quite some time. None of this equipment has USB interfaces that would make it easy, they work off of GPIB interfaces, or in the case of one of my scopes, a floppy! The scope take FOREVER to write an image file to the floppy, then I have to put it in a USB floppy drive to get it into my lab computer. BUT the image format is very old so none of the current programs will read it, so I have to run a series of conversion programs to get it into something that a modern browser can handle. Its a lot of work. As for jitter measurements I have been looking for test equipment that can actually measure the jitter on actual USB data streams and have not found any that will get us into the area that our stuff works at - for any price. The ones that exist are designed for standards compliance not characterization at very low jitter levels. So I'm designing my own. Unfortunately I can't start working on that until the new lab is set up, and then I will have lots of things to work on, so realistically it is most likely going to be a year before I have that device up and running. THEN I can actually measure the USB jitter. Oh yeah, the existing differential probes aren't good enough for this so I will have to build my own as well! John S. Thanks John! Not a big drama for me if you can't publish any wave forms / eye patterns until you're well settled in your new lab. But when you say "The waveforms from the ISO REGEN look REALLY good" I assume you also mean significantly better than the original USB REGEN (from the waveforms / eye patterns you saw visually)? Appreciated, as always. Link to comment
Popular Post lmitche Posted April 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Jud said: Hi all: I wanted to mention in the interest of full disclosure that as a perk for helping to test the ISO Regen, Alex very kindly will be sending me a production version gratis. (I did not hesitate to give a fair evaluation, as Alex and John can tell you!) So although I don't feel it's affected my view of the ISO Regen's impact on my system (what I've reported here matches what I told Alex and John about the sound privately), I thought it only fair to let anyone reading what I say here know this. Hi Jud, Having been the other other lucky one to beta test the ISO Regen, I know you just sent your ISO Regen back to Alex for recycling. So having used it for a year, I want to ask how your system sounds without it! I can't answer this for myself as I voluntarily and reluctantly sent the G version back to John for testing six months ago after he blew up all his other prototype units. I should also disclose I am gratefully receiving a free ISO Regen from Uptone. Thanks to Alex and John. MikeyFresh and Middy 2 Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
Jud Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, lmitche said: Hi Jud, Having been the other other lucky one to beta test the ISO Regen, I know you just sent your ISO Regen back to Alex for recycling. So having used it for a year, I want to ask how your system sounds without it! I can't answer this for myself as I voluntarily and reluctantly sent the G version back to John for testing six months ago after he blew up all his other prototype units. I should also disclose I am gratefully receiving a free ISO Regen from Uptone. Thanks to Alex and John. I'm still enjoying the music a lot with the original Regen in the system, but sending back the test version of the ISO Regen was sadness. Anxiously awaiting shipment of the production version along with everyone else! One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
ted_b Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 10 hours ago, tboooe said: Maybe I will just use some caps instead. Much easier though not has pretty looking. Do I assume you are referring to wire nuts, or something else? "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
tboooe Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, ted_b said: Do I assume you are referring to wire nuts, or something else? Yes sorry about not being more clear. I mean wire nuts. Any draw back to that aside from how lame that looks? 12TB NAS >> i7-6700 Server/Control PC >> i3-5015u NAA >> Singxer SU-1 DDC (modded) >> Holo Spring L3 DAC >> Accustic Arts Power 1 int amp >> Sonus Faber Guaneri Evolution speakers + REL T/5i sub (x2) Other components: UpTone Audio LPS1.2/IsoRegen, Fiber Switch and FMC, Windows Server 2016 OS, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 6, HQ Player, Roonserver, PS Audio P3 AC regenerator, HDPlex 400W ATX & 200W Linear PSU, Light Harmonic Lightspeed Split USB cable, Synergistic Research Tungsten AC power cords, Tara Labs The One speaker cables, Tara Labs The Two Extended with HFX Station IC, Oyaide R1 outlets, Stillpoints Ultra Mini footers, Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, Vicoustic/RealTraps/GIK room treatments Link to comment
Energy Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 20 hours ago, JohnSwenson said: For all the people wanting to use an ISO REGEN with a SU-1 and an LPS-1, I just talked to Alex about this. He has done it, the recipe is: Set the LPS-1 to 5V, use a Y-cable to power both at 5V. (see the DIY DC Cable thread on how to make your own) The VBUS output regulator will be undervolted so it won't actually be regulating (but the regulator in the LPS-1 is the same as in the ISO REGEN). The measured voltage is 4.95 V on the VBUS coming out of the ISO REGEN, this is fine to drive the upstream side of the SU-1. This will preclude the isolation in the SU-1, but the isolation in the ISO REGEN will still be working. If it were me I would get the external power kit from the manufacturer and cut off the internal cable, leaving pigtails on the both connectors. Then use a piece of 4S6 starquad to replace the cable you just cut off. John S. John (or Alex) is there any down side when the SU-1's isolation is no longer in affect? Is there any ground loops or noise passed from the ISO REGEN over to the SU-1? Would powering them with separate LPS-1's provide any incremental gains? ٩(●̮̃•)۶ Carbon (NET) ⇢ EtherRegen (NET) ⇢ Carbyne (USB) ⇢ Terminator-Plus (XLR) ⇢ β22 (XLR) ⇢ Diana TC (ง'-')ง 【 = ◈ ︿ ◈ = 】 Link to comment
Popular Post JohnSwenson Posted April 27, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2017 I've been thinking about whether I should make this post for several hours, but I finally decided to go ahead and do it now. Alex and I are overjoyed with the enthusiasm shown for the ISO REGEN, but at least I am getting overwhelmed by questions asking us if a particular combination of components is going to sound better than a different configuration. The problem here is that this is all conjecture. I don't have ANYTHING to actually try things out and Alex only has a very small subset of all possible components out there so we can't actually set the components up and listen. So it all has to be based on analysis of the components involved and MANY factors relating to how these devices interact with each other. This is not trivial to do, it is a lot of hard work. Most of the components people are asking about I do not own or have used extensively, so I have to go on the net and spend a couple hours researching them to try and make a decent guess about the circuitry inside. THEN do an analysis of possible leakage currents, sensitivity to them, USB signal integrity, sensitivity to said SI and a whole host of others. It takes all of this to make a semi accurate attempt at what the interactions are going to be. This takes me several hours for each system and is a lot of mental work. After doing several of these today my brain is hurting and I'm wiped out. I'm just not going to be able to do much more of this going forward. Both Alex and I want to take care of our customers and give our best at answering your questions, but this is just getting overwhelming for these types of questions. So unfortunately I'm not going to be able to respond to such questions for several days (I have to recharge the mental batteries). Please don't think I'm try to "put off" our customers, I just can't give these questions the resources they deserve. Please remember that nobody has been able to actually listen to most of these combinations, so it is all a guess anyway. I know everybody wants to know how all possible combinations are going to sound before buying anything, but the reality is: nobody is in a position right now to actually test it, and guesses are not terribly accurate and take a lot of work to make them any better than random chance. The reality is that until you all start getting your devices and start trying them in various combinations, no one will really know. Remember Alex has a 30 day money back guarantee so you can try different approaches and return what doesn't work. I love to talk about "my baby", what it is and how it works and interesting interactions of this technology, it is just the requests for us to say which specific setup is going to sound better than another that I'm going to have to not respond to for awhile. Thanks for your understanding. John S. greenleo, k-man, pl_svn and 5 others 8 Link to comment
mikicasellas Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 20 hours ago, JohnSwenson said: The kit is talked about in the DIY DC Cable thread, page 4. If anyone wants to discuss this please do it in that thread rather than here. John S. John, I did not want to be on the way of this thread but actually i am in the same interests of the ISO REGEN and if someone pulls out something that has to do with the ISO REGEN and also suggest something that comes along with it, i thought i could ask if i don't have an idea of what is being suggested, sorry for interrupting the Thread Best regards Link to comment
satfrat Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Not a problem on my end John as I don't have the spending money anyways. But if I'm ever able to scratch up 3 bills or more, I'll just PM Alex and ask him what should I be spending money on, a LPS-1 or ISO Regen. Thanks John. Cheers, Robin Link to comment
Energy Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 No problem at all John. You have done way more than what others would have done. Thank you so much for that. ٩(●̮̃•)۶ Carbon (NET) ⇢ EtherRegen (NET) ⇢ Carbyne (USB) ⇢ Terminator-Plus (XLR) ⇢ β22 (XLR) ⇢ Diana TC (ง'-')ง 【 = ◈ ︿ ◈ = 】 Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 15 hours ago, satfrat said: Hypothetical question for Alex or John, IF I had $300+ to spend, which would I be better off buying, a $380 LPS-1 for my present day USB Regen/Meanwell or a $310 ISO Regen to go with my Meanwell SMPS? Just curious,,, just in case something changes in my life. Cheers, Robin Hi mate, I'm definitely not John or Alex and am just as curious about how the ISO REGEN performs as you, but with the 30 day trial you could buy both and return one for a refund, after your testing. If I had to make a guess I would go with the new ISO REGEN to go with your Meanwell initially and add the LPS-1 when funds later allow. Only a guess though, as to which one to get first, like tossing a coin. Once it's out in the field there will be plenty of people that can help to test this out of you with their feedback too. But the risk free 30 day trial is cool. Superdad 1 Link to comment
satfrat Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Em2016 said: Hi mate, I'm definitely not John or Alex and am just as curious about how the ISO REGEN performs as you, but with the 30 day trial you could buy both and return one for a refund, after your testing. If I had to make a guess I would go with the new ISO REGEN to go with your Meanwell initially and add the LPS-1 when funds later allow. Only a guess though, as to which one to get first, like tossing a coin. Once it's out in the field there will be plenty of people that can help to test this out of you with their feedback too. But the risk free 30 day trial is cool. Damn if that's not a marvelous idea, I could make up my own mind, keep the Regen w/LPS-1 or upgrade to the ISO Regen w/Meanwell and send back the LPS-1 for another day which I'm sure there would be once I sampled the Regen w/Meanwell vs ISO Regen w/LPS-1. I would know first hand how all the combinations work IN MY SYSTEM. Much thanks for telling me something I should have thought of on my own,,, duhhhh. Now I just need to find the money for at least one of them so I can sample them both. Cheers, Robin asdf1000 1 Link to comment
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