allhifi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 1:30 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: Which photograph would you purchase? Photograph by: 1. Average Joe photographer with a 100 megapixel medium format camera. Or 2. Ansel Adams with a Polaroid. Now switch this to DACs and interfaces. I'll go with S/PDIF from the best designers over i2s from a lesser designer any day. Talking about technologies in a vacuum doesn't advance the conversation and can really misinform people. CA: Interesting analogy. A couple points. Firstly, you might be surprised what a average Joe can shoot/capture. Secondly, although I don't know the photographer mentioned, I suspect he is a commercial "success" ? (If so, that comes replete with its own oddity --how most garner the notoriety, that is) Since i have have more interest in the average Joe, to answer your question, I'd take '100-Mega Joe'. Yet, here's where your analogy falls short --by some stretch , your AA/Polaroid is hardly Wang/Auralic. In fact, his Aries G2 screen-shot looks like a carbon copy of MoOde's $10.00 GUI. If so, hardly an innovator. And since I'm not here to pick on anyone in particular, could it be that perhaps much of his Auralic (Aura-lie, Aura-got-licked?) Streamer (among many others is should be stated) may be based on a modified Raspberry Pi architecture (that can be purchased for $35.00)? (Once again, I leave the field to you, to help answer, or correct.) Moving back somewhat, I noticed a few readers bent-out-of-shape over my comments regarding the digital interface options of Wang's new oddities. Most bizarre. Yet, it brings up a couple points-in-fact. Firstly, the original Thread/Post (sorry, I don't know the correct terminology) was started by Mr. Wang/Auralic. We have a few early readers noting the HDMI, Word Clock connections --before the answers began rolling (crashing?) in. Some time later, I wrote in, the first thing was to note the beautiful design, construction (and physical functionality) of the new designs. (That's in answer to one of the angry disciples that incorrectly suggested I "trashed" the company/products ?) Bottom line; we'll see how clever both we the readers & Mr. Wang really are. And whether he, and we have heeded some of the concerns discussed here. (A bit like "Us & Them" --Floyd, no ?) peter jasz Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted July 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, allhifi said: although I don't know the photographer mentioned That says it all :~) Now back to the topic at hand. daverich4 and Doak 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 2:29 PM, jtwrace said: Art is purely subjective. Audio isn't. People make it so but there is a direct correlation to measurements but most want to overlook that for many reasons. JTW: I disagree. I feel CA's analogy was appropriate with some caveats I failed to introduce in my original reply. Namely,(and correctly), within a limited budget but impressive design chops, a talented chap may be very well have the hand up/edge. But with both the financial means both in R&D and final selling price (that by the way is four-thousand-dollars, US$ G2 Aries Streamer), Polaroid mechanical's don't even enter into the equation, comparison on indeed the analogy itself. The resources are there to 'have-it-all' . Yet, the best part may be that of what can (should) come; a Shoot-out between the Polaroid wielding amateurs with the Raspberry Pi's, and the slick, pricey Auralic GE series Streamer ! (Now that would be educational, don't you think, CA?) peter jasz Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, The Computer Audiophile said: That says it all :~) Now back to the topic at hand. Does it, CA ? ( I believe we 'get' the picture, without having to know his preferred under-pants) pj P.S. I know you that you know that not only your comments and analogies, but the side-stepping talk (so-to-speak) is very relative to the topic at hand. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 No. You don't seem to get anything I say and your responses don't make sense to me. Not being personal or attacking you, just stating how I see this situation. I'll bow out of this discussion now. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: No. You don't seem to get anything I say and your responses don't make sense to me. Not being personal or attacking you, just stating how I see this situation. I'll bow out of this discussion now. CA: I do understand the delicate balance you must maintain here, professionally, and personally. I also realize that you are a very busy man. But don't bow-out now, the end (so-to-speak), the revelation, is close at hand. I, as you, would rather not blather endlessly. There is a point to it. A vital, and essential one, that I believe you are aware, that lies around the corner. pj Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: That says it all :~) Now back to the topic at hand. I guess you may be right. Therefore, how would your readers take to the following: " ..... a Shoot-out between the Polaroid wielding amateurs with Raspberry Pi's (mini-computer/Streamer), and the slick, pricey Auralic G2 series Streamer, or other, Ansel Adams ... " (Clearly, an inline, educational, and relevant exercise) peter jasz Link to comment
tallica1 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 7 hours ago, allhifi said: JTW: I disagree. I feel CA's analogy was appropriate with some caveats I failed to introduce in my original reply. Namely,(and correctly), within a limited budget but impressive design chops, a talented chap may be very well have the hand up/edge. But with both the financial means both in R&D and final selling price (that by the way is four-thousand-dollars, US$ G2 Aries Streamer), Polaroid mechanical's don't even enter into the equation, comparison on indeed the analogy itself. The resources are there to 'have-it-all' . Yet, the best part may be that of what can (should) come; a Shoot-out between the Polaroid wielding amateurs with the Raspberry Pi's, and the slick, pricey Auralic GE series Streamer ! (Now that would be educational, don't you think, CA?) peter jasz Allfi what is your expert technical background? Or do you only google search? ... otherwise you're opinion is quite insulting on the thread that Auralic's Xuanquin started.. you have said nothing valuable regarding AURALIC G2 equipment AND it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about it.. I can assure you that your jealously comes across through your constant banter.. Link to comment
Popular Post mjb Posted July 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 1/2 pages of crap. I hate it when threads do this. pl_svn and johndoe21ro 2 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, mjb said: 4 1/2 pages of crap. I hate it when threads do this. Dare i say you just contributed to the crap :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Leeuwarden Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Dare i say you just contributed to the crap :~) He had a good reason :-) pl_svn 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I agree :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 13 hours ago, tallica1 said: Allfi what is your expert technical background? Or do you only google search? ... otherwise you're opinion is quite insulting on the thread that Auralic's Xuanquin started.. you have said nothing valuable regarding AURALIC G2 equipment AND it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about it.. I can assure you that your jealously comes across through your constant banter.. Right. Spend a few minutes reading from this from the beginning (you can skip the ego massaging ones -easy to spot- to save a few seconds) and report back. Jealous ? Oh yes. That I would personally be uneasy/unable to offer up a sub-par connectivity product to an indifferent buying public while providing no explanation (where are you Mr. Wang?) while simultaneously offering up a superior digital interface (over HDMi no less) to be enjoyed only by those with his proprietary matching DAC/Streamer --oh, after forking over another $4K ! Nice. The sheer assumptions that must be made. For that, indeed, I am most jealous. And you consider it banter ? pj Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 8 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Dare i say you just contributed to the crap :~) That's funny ! pj Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 13 hours ago, tallica1 said: Allfi what is your expert technical background? Or do you only google search? ... otherwise you're opinion is quite insulting on the thread that Auralic's Xuanquin started.. you have said nothing valuable regarding AURALIC G2 equipment AND it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about it.. I can assure you that your jealously comes across through your constant banter.. tallica: One other thing. There are a couple things that impress me. One, is the sheer mechanical beauty of finely constructed (audio) equipment/hardware (some of Auralic's products certainly qualify. Have you seen the interior of the last generation Vega --very, very nice.) The other, conversely, is when a paper-weight fabrication can give said mechanical messiah a real challenge. I'm just not sure what impresses me more. Yet. pj Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I agree :~) Uh-huh. Do you not find it even remotely unusual that the beloved Mr. Wang is suspiciously absent from this post that he himself started ? Now would be a good time to use you insider connections to make that connection with Auralic's head honcho. It's only appropriate. And then, perhaps this topic can mercifully (although it was fun) not exceed 5-pages of unnecessary (but essential) discussion. I know you can do it. Bring in the fine Mr. Wang to set the record straight. pj Link to comment
tallica1 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 9:41 AM, allhifi said: tallica: One other thing. There are a couple things that impress me. One, is the sheer mechanical beauty of finely constructed (audio) equipment/hardware (some of Auralic's products certainly qualify. Have you seen the interior of the last generation Vega --very, very nice.) The other, conversely, is when a paper-weight fabrication can give said mechanical messiah a real challenge. I'm just not sure what impresses me more. Yet. pj wait a second why would anybody have to try to impress you? Link to comment
tallica1 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 9:55 AM, allhifi said: Uh-huh. Do you not find it even remotely unusual that the beloved Mr. Wang is suspiciously absent from this post that he himself started ? Now would be a good time to use you insider connections to make that connection with Auralic's head honcho. It's only appropriate. And then, perhaps this topic can mercifully (although it was fun) not exceed 5-pages of unnecessary (but essential) discussion. I know you can do it. Bring in the fine Mr. Wang to set the record straight. pj Do you really thing Xuanqian has time to waste listening to your nonsense and badmouthing a brand and new technology you know absolutely nothing about...and most importantly will never purchase? Ofcourse not. The record is straight. Link to comment
allhifi Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 17 hours ago, tallica1 said: Do you really thing Xuanqian has time to waste listening to your nonsense and badmouthing a brand and new technology you know absolutely nothing about...and most importantly will never purchase? Ofcourse not. The record is straight. But Wang has the time to start this thing ? By starting this post himself, he initiated a free product 'plug'. Yet he's is too busy to answer why the Aries G2 Streamer only offers SPDIF to non-Auarlic partners while his proprietary 'Lightning Link' (over HDMi no less) providing superior jitter performance is offered to his matching DAC customers ? (Sharper readers know why he hasn't chimed in -the answers are obvious) So tallica, unless you identify yourself (disclose your real name) the record is never straight. pj Link to comment
Popular Post daverich4 Posted July 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2017 I have the original Vega and started reading this thread today hoping to learn something about the new one but Chris allowed allhifi to hijack/troll the topic several pages ago and turn reading it into a waste of time. I've been using a microRendu with the Vega until two days ago when I switched to the ultraRendu so a lack of the interfaces that allhifi has been ranting about in the new DAC doesn't concern me in the least. Hopefully allhifi hasn't chased everyone off and there's still a chance to get some information out of this thread before he takes it down in flames. Sloop John B, Milt99 and George Hincapie 3 Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, daverich4 said: I have the original Vega and started reading this thread today hoping to learn something about the new one but Chris allowed allhifi to hijack/troll the topic several pages ago and turn reading it into a waste of time. I've been using a microRendu with the Vega until two days ago when I switched to the ultraRendu so a lack of the interfaces that allhifi has been ranting about in the new DAC doesn't concern me in the least. Hopefully allhifi hasn't chased everyone off and there's still a chance to get some information out of this thread before he takes it down in flames. +1. Here's hoping. What are your impressions of the UR? A worthwhile upgrade or too soon to say? Link to comment
daverich4 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 40 minutes ago, George Hincapie said: +1. Here's hoping. What are your impressions of the UR? A worthwhile upgrade or too soon to say? Too soon to say but my initial impressions are favorable. My microRendu with the 1.4 update just got back today so I've got some listening to do but this discussion should probably go over to the Sonore forums. George Hincapie 1 Link to comment
Milt99 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 2 hours ago, daverich4 said: Hopefully... xxx hasn't chased everyone off and there's still a chance to get some information out of this thread before he takes it down in flames. I'm still monitoring\lurking on this thread as I suspect are many others. Link to comment
hmartin Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Milt99 said: I'm still monitoring\lurking on this thread as I suspect are many others. Yes I think you are correct, personally I am hopping that Auralic will give some more information about the Aries G1 and when G1-series is planned to be released. Hoping that G1 will be a bit more humanly priced compared to G2 of-course. Link to comment
Popular Post Wang Xuanqian Posted July 25, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2017 Still monitoring this thread but select to ignore someone's reply. Please feel free to ask question about G2 and I will reply regularly. Some update from AURALIC: Development and production preparation is on schedule, we still target to ship the first batch (mostly pre-orders and trade in) to our partners by the end of September. Hardware design and optimization completed, the only thing left right now is purely software side (Lightning Link protocol and the graphic interface in front of the machine). Thanks to the galvanic isolation, VEGA G2 exhibits an astonishing low noise level with its analog output. The unweighted output noise is only 20% of the original VEGA, which will probably set a new record for industry. The Computer Audiophile, mjb, Sloop John B and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
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