sphinxsix Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, semente said: I currently much prefer the 8th. The 7th is quite good too IMHO. He's definitely not among the most significant composers but I'm afraid most of the later ones have already been discussed here. I'm simply (as usual) looking for something I don't know yet. Thanks for all your suggestions, guys! Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 58 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: The 7th is quite good too IMHO. He's definitely not among the most significant composers but I'm afraid most of the later ones have already been discussed here. I'm simply (as usual) looking for something I don't know yet. Thanks for all your suggestions, guys! I can not stop discovering new music/composers, even though I would be quite happy limited only to Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner and few other composers which names started with other letters of alphabet. BTW, why most if not neatly all great composer names start with three letters only, B, M, S? Plus W, of course. sphinxsix 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Tintinabulum Posted October 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2019 Build a library. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tmtz/episodes/guide semente and sphinxsix 1 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said: Plus W, of course. Of course! (and let's not discuss - with or without vocalists ) Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: Of course! (and let's not discuss - with or without vocalists ) Nothing to discuss - with vocalists, of course!) Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said: Nothing to discuss - with vocalists, of course!) In such case let's move the discussion here : Link to comment
Musicophile Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, AnotherSpin said: BTW, why most if not neatly all great composer names start with three letters only, B, M, S? Plus W, of course. It’s not completely random, given the dominance of Germany & Austria in the classical music space. At least S and B are among the most common first letters of German last names (couldn’t find similar stats for Austria unfortunately). See a link below in German. https://www.datendieter.de/item/Buchstabenhaeufigkeit_von_deutschen_Nachnamen AnotherSpin 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 5 hours ago, sphinxsix said: In such case let's move the discussion here : Most probably they know much more about bawdy houses than opera in Baltimore. sphinxsix 1 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Musicophile said: It’s not completely random, given the dominance of Germany & Austria in the classical music space. At least S and B are among the most common first letters of German last names (couldn’t find similar stats for Austria unfortunately). See a link below in German. https://www.datendieter.de/item/Buchstabenhaeufigkeit_von_deutschen_Nachnamen Interesting info. It explains some things and creates more questions...) Why there is no great composers of the first rank which names start with letter K, which is second most popular in Germany?....😙 Link to comment
semente Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 21 hours ago, sphinxsix said: The 7th is quite good too IMHO. He's definitely not among the most significant composers but I'm afraid most of the later ones have already been discussed here. I'm simply (as usual) looking for something I don't know yet. Thanks for all your suggestions, guys! I'm not particular experienced when it comes to off-the-beaten-track music but which second-tier and lesser known composers have you investigated? Some may not have been prominent or particularly proliferous writers but there are many pieces worth investigating. I suggest the following: Bloch Schelomo https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8028034--in-the-shadow-of-war Delius VC and orchestral music https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8020030--delius-violin-concerto Falla https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923719--the-essential-falla Field nocturnes and PCs https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7954754--john-field-piano-music-vol-2 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7952076--field-piano-concertos-nos-5-6 Gade https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7996480--gade-novelletter-for-strings Herbert CC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8050173--victor-herbert-cello-concertos Karlowicz VC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7994972--karlowicz-serenade-violin-concerto Kodaly cello sonata https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7971482--starker-plays-kodaly Korngold VC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8080670--britten-korngold-violin-concertos Respighi https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8021224--respighi-roman-festivals-brazilian-impressions-pines-of-rome Rott https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7937612--rott-symphony-in-e-major Rozsa https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8117707--rozsa-spohr-violin-concertos-tchaikovsky-serenade-melancolique Saint-Saens https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8073391--schumann-lalo-saint-saens-cello-concertos https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7925135--lalo-saint-saens-ravel https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923517--saint-saens-danse-macabre https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7942773--saint-saens-symphony-no-3-in-c-minor-op-78-organ-symphony-etc Clara Schumann https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7955385--schumann-clara-the-complete-works-for-piano-solo Scriabin https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8052602--scriabin-medtner-piano-concertos https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7959641--yevgeny-sudbin-plays-scriabin https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923956--scriabin-complete-symphonies Weber https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7980781--weber-the-symphonies Wetz https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7946810--wetz-symphony-no-3-gesang-des-lebens If you enjoy music from the Romantic period: The Romantic Piano Concerto series https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_1 The Romantic Violin Concerto series https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_3 And then there are the recitals...so much to choose from. https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7924056--horowitz-in-moscow "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, semente said: which second-tier and lesser known composers have you investigated? As for the ones you've mentioned above only Falla, Saint Saens and Scriabin (and only their most important compositions). Thanks for the links, much appreciated! semente 1 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 19 hours ago, semente said: I'm not particular experienced when it comes to off-the-beaten-track music but which second-tier and lesser known composers have you investigated? Some may not have been prominent or particularly proliferous writers but there are many pieces worth investigating. I suggest the following: Bloch Schelomo https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8028034--in-the-shadow-of-war Delius VC and orchestral music https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8020030--delius-violin-concerto Falla https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923719--the-essential-falla Field nocturnes and PCs https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7954754--john-field-piano-music-vol-2 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7952076--field-piano-concertos-nos-5-6 Gade https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7996480--gade-novelletter-for-strings Herbert CC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8050173--victor-herbert-cello-concertos Karlowicz VC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7994972--karlowicz-serenade-violin-concerto Kodaly cello sonata https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7971482--starker-plays-kodaly Korngold VC https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8080670--britten-korngold-violin-concertos Respighi https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8021224--respighi-roman-festivals-brazilian-impressions-pines-of-rome Rott https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7937612--rott-symphony-in-e-major Rozsa https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8117707--rozsa-spohr-violin-concertos-tchaikovsky-serenade-melancolique Saint-Saens https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8073391--schumann-lalo-saint-saens-cello-concertos https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7925135--lalo-saint-saens-ravel https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923517--saint-saens-danse-macabre https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7942773--saint-saens-symphony-no-3-in-c-minor-op-78-organ-symphony-etc Clara Schumann https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7955385--schumann-clara-the-complete-works-for-piano-solo Scriabin https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8052602--scriabin-medtner-piano-concertos https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7959641--yevgeny-sudbin-plays-scriabin https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7923956--scriabin-complete-symphonies Weber https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7980781--weber-the-symphonies Wetz https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7946810--wetz-symphony-no-3-gesang-des-lebens If you enjoy music from the Romantic period: The Romantic Piano Concerto series https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_1 The Romantic Violin Concerto series https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/s.asp?s=S_3 And then there are the recitals...so much to choose from. https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/7924056--horowitz-in-moscow From the pieces mentioned I really like Korngold's Violin Concerto... Field's Nocturnes are fine. Link to comment
Popular Post sphinxsix Posted October 11, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 11:29 AM, AnotherSpin said: Interesting info. It explains some things and creates more questions...) Why there is no great composers of the first rank which names start with letter K, which is second most popular in Germany?. Maybe because K is reserved for great German conductors - e.g. Kleiber, Klemperer. I think that after over three decades that Karajan spent in Berlin conducting BP we can regard him as ..almost German too Musicophile and AnotherSpin 2 Link to comment
Popular Post AnotherSpin Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 hours ago, sphinxsix said: Maybe because K is reserved for great German conductors - e.g. Kleiber, Klemperer. I think that after over three decades that Karajan spent in Berlin conducting BP we can regard him as ..almost German too Oh, forgot he was Austrian. Agree on K for great conductors. One need to add Hans Knappertsbusch, Josef Keilbert, Clemens Krauss (all - outstanding interpreters of W in best available recordings from Bayreuth), Josef Krips, Franz Konwitschny, Raphael Kubelik, Rudolf Kempe... Musicophile and sphinxsix 1 1 Link to comment
WAM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: Agree on K for great conductors. What about Kleiber? Now listening to his Beethoven 7 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, WAM said: What about Kleiber? Now listening to his Beethoven 7 He was mentioned earlier by me. I think we all agree he was an important conductor. Actually in a moment I'll start watching the BBC 'Karajan's Magic and Myth' documentary. Seems interesting. Link to comment
WAM Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: He was mentioned earlier by me. Sorry, missed that. Funny that Karajan still fascinates people (including me, must try his Beethoven and Bruckner). Link to comment
Popular Post christopher3393 Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/6/2019 at 8:00 AM, AnotherSpin said: Plus W, of course. Of course! Hugo9000 and sphinxsix 1 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 My album of the evening (MP3 streaming). I think I will buy it unless someone recommends even more interesting Pachelbel organ recording. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 8:17 PM, sphinxsix said: On 9/29/2019 at 12:56 AM, Bob Stern said: A classic I love is Du Pre & Celibidache 1967, which is unusually soft and tender. I checked out this concerto earlier - Du Pre with Barrenboim, A.Weilerstein/Belohlavek and Tetzlaff/Storgards, will check out this one too. I agree Du Pre/Celibidache is the better one of these two. I got it a couple of days ago and some other albums recommended by you guys too, thanks a lot again! Meanwhile I heard Stravinsky's Petrouchka on the radio while coming back from work (I don't know who the performers were) and I think I really 'dug' Stravinsky's ecstatic rhythms for the first time. So recently my attention has shifted to .. you've guessed it right - Igor Fyodorovich.. Link to comment
Popular Post semente Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 7:09 PM, sphinxsix said: I agree Du Pre/Celibidache is the better one of these two. I got it a couple of days ago and some other albums recommended by you guys too, thanks a lot again! Meanwhile I heard Stravinsky's Petrouchka on the radio while coming back from work (I don't know who the performers were) and I think I really 'dug' Stravinsky's ecstatic rhythms for the first time. So recently my attention has shifted to .. you've guessed it right - Igor Fyodorovich.. I think that my favourite recording of Dvořák's Cello Concerto is the one by Rostropovich with Berlin and Karajan on DG. This one is also worth a listen, recorded on the 21st of August 1968: The Prom of Peace Series in which Paul Gambaccini recalls classic concerts. On August 21, 1968, Russian tanks entered Czechoslovakia to put an end to Alexander Dubcek's Prague Spring. An extraordinary irony saw the Soviet State Symphony Orchestra making its debut at the Proms on the same day in a programme featuring Czech composer Antonin Dvorak's Cello Concerto. The performance by soloist Mstislav Rostropovich remains one of the greatest ever live recordings of the piece. The heckling began as soon as the Soviet State Symphony Orchestra took to the stage on 21 August for Prom 30 of the 1968 season. "Go home!" someone shouted. "Russians out!" added another. The shouts were not the orchestra's fault. Overnight, the Soviet Union and its allies had invaded Czechoslovakia, sending several hundred thousand men, and several thousand tanks, into the country to stop the Prague Spring, a period of liberalisation and reform in the Eastern Bloc state. The invasion shocked the world and the orchestra found itself the most obvious target for protests in Britain. It didn't help that the orchestra and its star, the cellist Mstislav Rostropovich (pictured), were programmed to play Czech composer Antonin Dvořák’s Cello Concerto in B minor. The choice had been inspired, but now seemed like an insult. Rostropovich, somehow, saved the evening. His playing was so emotional, filled with such anger and sadness at what was happening in Prague - the city where he had met his wife - it felt more like an apology than a piece of music. He cried as he played, recalling later that he imagined people being killed through the tears. At the end, he held the score high in a gesture of solidarity. It would be nice to say his playing changed everyone's view of the orchestra, but that wasn't the case. One of the final things the musicians heard as they left for their hotel was a shout of "Russian murderers!" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b007xgjy AnotherSpin and sphinxsix 2 "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, semente said: I think that my favourite recording of Dvořák's Cello Concerto is the one by Rostropovich with Berlin and Karajan on DG. Thanks, I've bought this one too. A great story! A look back at some startling moments in 125 years of the Proms: 7 of the most startling moments in the history of the Proms semente 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 Mesmerized by the one No 82, been checking Bach's cantatas recently (I seem to prefer Suzuki's recordings). There are 200 of them, so I'm asking myself - how to even bite this piece of cake.? Hence my simple question - what are your favorite ones? And BTW - Merry Christmas to everybody! Jud 1 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 I feel quite lucky - next week the cantata no 82 will be performed in Hooglandse Kerk - the biggest gothic church in Leiden (great acoustics!). I have attended a number of concerts which took place in this venue and with real pleasure will also attend this one. A digression - during one of the concerts I was sitting 3m from a lead sopranist of a (very good) choir. I had a simple reflection while listening to the music in these circumstances - no stereo system is able to reproduce the nuance of a soprano being that close to the listener and the acoustics of a big gothic church at the same time in a fully convincing way. I couldn't help thinking that with some music the multi channel reproduction might be the only way to go. I think @Kal Rubinson could comment on it. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: A digression - during one of the concerts I was sitting 3m from a lead sopranist of a (very good) choir. I had a simple reflection while listening to the music in these circumstances - no stereo system is able to reproduce the nuance of a soprano being that close to the listener and the acoustics of a big gothic church at the same time in a fully convincing way. I couldn't help thinking that with some music the multi channel reproduction might be the only way to go. I think @Kal Rubinson could comment on it. I think you have already done so. OTOH, one of the most elusive elements, even for multichannel, is real proximity. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
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