Light Harmonic (LH Labs). Scam? USD$6 million not delivered since 2014

[Cecil]

10 hours ago, Mike Rubin said:

The latest revision of the proposed California Attorney General complaint is circulating among the drafters and sponsors.

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Thanks to everyone for the patience. 

 

No Mike, wholehearted thanks must go to you guys.

 

I have some idea of how much time and effort goes into trying to get these things just right and I am indebted to you all for doing this for us.

 

 

 

[Blake]

Larry, there is still time for you to stop the filing of our claim by doing what is moral and right and, by the way, required under the IGG terms of service- provide refunds.  It is not your money.  You cannot steal without consequences.

 

 

 

 

[bc2112]

Thank u Mike....time for this travesty to end. 

[Cecil]

Looks like at least one Vi Dac Tube actually exists:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LH-Labs-Vi-DAC-Tube-Hybrid-DAC-D-A-Converter-Remote-/223332332902?_ul=AU

 

I had started to think Vi Dac was perhaps a figment of Larry's imagination, but no. So they can be built!

 

No ongoing development required. Then where are the rest?

[Superdad]

1 hour ago, Cecil said:

I had started to think Vi Dac was perhaps a figment of Larry's imagination, but no. So they can be built!

 

Those look like photos of a prototype.  No voltage selection box checked, no serial number.  And when did they acquire a $7,000 MSRP? 

[MikeyFresh]

16 minutes ago, Superdad said:

And when did they acquire a $7,000 MSRP?

 

When they engraved a Light Harmonic (read: not LH Labs) logo on the front panel and sold it into the retail market ahead of fulfilling any IGG backer commitments, using funds pledged to LH Labs.

 

That flimflam began by running a lower cost campaign that was fulfilled through Kickstarter, establishing trust with a buyer community that would be severely abused in the ensuing multiple IGG frauds.

 

Gavin, Casey... do you care to rebut that before you are called as material witnesses and/or co-conspirator collaborator accomplices? When clearly guilty, one is wise to cooperate in order to receive a lighter sentence. Who flips first?

[noshortcuts]

I thought there was another LHL (shorter) thread about filing with the California AG? I can't find it. I hope it hasn't been taken down! Or did this one just become long? EDIT: I guess it was this

 

[bc2112]

On 6/5/2019 at 10:25 PM, Cecil said:

Looks like at least one Vi Dac Tube actually exists:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LH-Labs-Vi-DAC-Tube-Hybrid-DAC-D-A-Converter-Remote-/223332332902?_ul=AU

 

I had started to think Vi Dac was perhaps a figment of Larry's imagination, but no. So they can be built!

 

No ongoing development required. Then where are the rest?

 

Who cares if they can be built? It only matters if they can be produced. LHL has no money. Jarek has said IGG items will only be produced if funds are provided by Light Harmonic. There are no funds for production because LHL blew all the interest-free loans they got from IGG (we backers) on who-knows-what. It is a total train wreck.

[noshortcuts]

I was just looking at the old LHL community forum pages (http://lhlabs.com/forum/) and right away found these misleading statements from  LHL employees about shipping Waves and Vi DACS (way back in 2014-15 when they actively pretended to be about ready to ship):

Carlos Jones 24 Sep 2014 19:59

Hello Alvin,

Crowdfunding is no scam my friend the reason you haven’t received any updates is because Geek Wave Units, Geek Wave 32, Geek Wave 64, Geek Wave X128, Geek Wave XD128, Geek Source….etc will not be ready for shipping till summertime of 2015, We still have the Pulse Orders in line for shipping in mid – October then the LPS and Lightspeed cables for those products. Tell me you didn’t think that the Geek Wave was already and ready to be shipped in 6 weeks this is not like a store. These products have to be manufactured and go thru extensive testing before going on the market to be released. The closer we get to the summertime of 2015 the more you will hear something from us . Its just around the corner believe it or not , Christmas will be here and then spring and then summer.

Regards,

Carlo

 

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Hello!  Now that Vi DAC’s are shipping can we please get an ETA on the Vi DAC Tube versions?  Before Xmas??

              Thanks!

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November 20, 2015 at 8:04 am #16746

LH_Gina

Participant

Production estimates to start shipping by the end of December….probably not before X-Mas though. We’ll do our best though!

Gina Stewart
Customer Happiness Agent
LH Labs
https://support.lhlabs.com

[noshortcuts]

From Larry, May 2016:

Dear Vi DAC backers,

It’s time to update the current production progress. Due to the nature and requirements of your top grade Vi DAC, including none-parallel wall chassis that need very good CNC machining time, hand soldering naked resistors and match, and down to every detail Audio Precision testing for individual units. We are taking care of each Vi DAC as it is being built to pass our high QC standards as we all know this investment is a meaningful one to you.

The first few months of production speed didn’t pick up too fast.  But in past few weeks with some internal work flow enhancement, now the production speed is running at

(1) For Vi DAC Infinity (solid state), we could produce 20~25 units per month.

(2) For Vi Tube DAC, currently is 10 ~ 15 units and expect to be 20 ~ 25 units too.

Previously, the major hold back for Tube version is the Chassis CNC. Our CNC factory built a new tool to help stabilize the chassis during the machining process. So the chassis manufacturer accelerate production. Slowly but surely we will win this race!

And for the Signature Edition Vi Tube DAC backers, this week we will send out the Vi Tube Signature Edition survey and let you start the customization of your own unit. Each unit will be listened and customized by our engineers and me. I would really love to communicate with you through the same format like Geek Pulse SE edition via Google Doc.

Cheers,

Larry

[EdmontonCanuck]

There are literally dozens of these kinds of email promises in my gmail history from LHL. Please everyone don't post them again here....it's too depressing.

[sdavies2720]

I've thankfully finally been able to ignore this fiasco for a few months. But today I tried to visit the indiegogo pages, and can't get to them.  Is this just an oddity of my system, or are others experiencing the same thing?

Steve

[stuck limo]

37 minutes ago, sdavies2720 said:

I've thankfully finally been able to ignore this fiasco for a few months. But today I tried to visit the indiegogo pages, and can't get to them.  Is this just an oddity of my system, or are others experiencing the same thing?

Steve

 

They've worked fine for me today using Pale Moon browser.

[sdavies2720]

Thx. With your confimation,  I also was able to get to them eventually, just not straight from my "campaigns" page. Those links brought up a page that had the LHL projects featured at the bottom, which DID work. Just a little strange -- I'll clear my cache when I get a chance.

Thanks -- I'd hate to miss another thrilling episode of this saga.

Steve

[noshortcuts]

Vi DAC has an update. It's the third official Indiegogo update in over a year. All three of the last 3 updates have been about producing the case. In case you missed this update: After all these years LHL has (again) reached the concept of (yet another) prototype - of the case. No information or update is provided about the internal components, or CCX modules, or software, or the timeline, or compatibility and availability of the other related products, or whether manufacturing can be financed.

Cry or laugh? Move on. Again.

[rando]

One imagines the trials will also be ongoing for some months as well.

[Superdad]

20 minutes ago, noshortcuts said:

After all these years LHL has (again) reached the concept of (yet another) prototype - of the case.

 

What an ugly box!

Certainly not what backers signed up for.

[noshortcuts]

26 minutes ago, Superdad said:

 

What an ugly box!

Certainly not what backers signed up for.

If only it were a bonafide box! - Alas, it's a drawing of a concept box from a man who has squandered it's funding over years of promises and box designs (and even a few completed units along the way). So this box drawing still needs to be manufactured, fitted with the internal components board and loaded with firmware and tested AS A PROTOTYPE. And then ... all over again. And then shipped....

[bc2112]

You have to love the ViDac update:

 

"we hope this new design works out properly"

 

After how many years??? And if it doesn't work out "properly" then what? 

 

 

[Blake]

Oh, what awesome news!  The new case even has Light Harmonic branding, because, well, LH Labs no longer exists.

 

But wait......

 

Light Harmonic, Inc. no longer exists, as all the shareholders voted to dissolve that entity in January of 2018. 

 

But don't worry Larry, we still have you squarely in our sights.

 

 

 

 

LH Dissolution.pdf

[Jud]

Since Larry Ho was the principal in both companies, perhaps he could bring them together under the name Ho Ho.

[Samuel T Cogley]

57 minutes ago, Blake said:

Oh, what awesome news!  The new case even has Light Harmonic branding, because, well, LH Labs no longer exists.

 

But wait......

 

Light Harmonic, Inc. no longer exists, as all the shareholders voted to dissolve that entity in January of 2018. 

 

But don't worry Larry, we still have you squarely in our sights.

 

 

 

 

LH Dissolution.pdf 49.72 kB · 6 downloads

 

Ahem, this is notice of the dissolution of "Harmonic Light Inc".  No commas.  Unless I'm missing something, this is irrelevant to this thread.

[Blake]

17 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

Ahem, this is notice of the dissolution of "Harmonic Light Inc".  No commas.  Unless I'm missing something, this is irrelevant to this thread.

 

You are right.  I was searching the status of Larry's entities this morning in connection with our case and apparently didn't consume enough coffee and/or was reading too quickly. 

 

I can't edit now.

 

 

[Blake]

1 hour ago, Blake said:

Oh, what awesome news!  The new case even has Light Harmonic branding, because, well, LH Labs no longer exists.

 

But wait......

 

Light Harmonic, Inc. no longer exists, as all the shareholders voted to dissolve that entity in January of 2018. 

 

But don't worry Larry, we still have you squarely in our sights.

 

 

 

 

LH Dissolution.pdf 49.72 kB · 11 downloads

 

Ignore this, different company.  

[noshortcuts]

21 hours ago, bc2112 said:

You have to love the ViDac update:

 

"we hope this new design works out properly"

 

After how many years??? And if it doesn't work out "properly" then what? 

 

 

My favorite part is "the top is designed for perfect air flow". That's a major accomplishment, I guess. The really amazing part is that while it will have perfect airflow it will also have "enough finger room to reach in for tube swaps, while also avoiding mass exposure to dust". WOW! - massive airflow, holes, AND avoiding a mass of dust. How does Larry do it? No more drawings, build this amazing box!