Light Harmonic (LH Labs). Scam? USD$6 million not delivered since 2014

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On 1/29/2018 at 9:09 PM, PorkChop said:

Has anybody received a Geek Source recently?  I am trying to determine in ANY of their campaigns are delivering anything.  I filed a report with California BBB, but the increasingly negative rating doesn't seem to bother Mr. Ho.

Yep..........................retailers. In Singapore.

Go to LHLabs Facebook page for the announcement that 'selected' retailers in Singapore are selling (or at least advertising) the Source. Backer $ is already spent, why satisfy them? Like any good Ponzi scheme, need fresh $ to keep the grift alive.

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1 hour ago, Lobbster said:

They're still pretending to care and making excuses about software delays for the Wave. There's still some who never got their Pulse. Source is for sale in Asia and I think a handful were delivered to backers. Otherwise it's a charade - consider it vaporware. And a hard lesson that crowd funding is no guarrantee for getting delivery.

 

At least ADEL found a reasonable subsitute for their IG backers.

You mean our money is vaporware. 

They really think we are sheep. I mean some people are 5 years out on the Pulse. I’ve written my ‘contribution’ off as a life lesson.

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3 hours ago, LHCommSquad said:

 

1. Noted and good to know. I am sure you know how it feels when 100% false things are aimed at a company. 

2. Of course I can't/won't post confidential sources, and these were oral discussions I had, so there is no physical record of them. Be assured though, I asked around because I was perplexed as to why UpTone continually attacked us on CA, and the Revive/your product was the first (and only) thing mentioned by every single person. So there is evidently that perception floating strongly out there. 

3. If you're not trying to start a war, you're certainly doing all the things that set a war in motion. Again, we have no interest in a war or badmouthing you or your company, or defending ourselves from your company's attacks. And I personally have heard great things about your company, including the Revive competitor previously mentioned. 

Good lord, you are a piece of work.

I think I’ll take the word of Alex and Uptone over you and your ‘friends’ at LH Labs, Light Harmonic, Madoff II, or whatever the preferred name is this week.

My $229 Wave 64 contribution paid for Dim Sum dinners for Larry on one of his frequent ‘trips to Asia to meet with whomever’. I’m over that.

But slam a firm that actually delivers a quality product and has respect in the industry? Again, you think we are sheep.

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Let’s not leave that snake Gavin Fish out of the discussion or off the hook. Judd, our money went for all of them living large in Cali. At least Gavin was ‘smart’ enough to get out when the getting was good. He’s not dumb, just a shister.

 

And let’s assume we get our products. When something goes wrong, which based on experience it will, what is the possibility it will be fixed?

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17 minutes ago, LHCommSquad said:

1. @tmtomh implies/tells me I shouldn't work for LH/L because I can't verify which division pays me. 

2. @EdmontonCanuck thanks me for working for LH/L and getting him his package

3. @Jud seems to agree with @tmtomh but then asks/tells me to work MORE (???) (finding posts, etc.) which would add to ($$) billable hours for me/LH/L (?) 

 

Ya'll gotta make up your minds here. 

All I know is both you and LH Labs aren’t very good at your jobs. Can’t figure out which one of you is worse.

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‘OK, I think we're either going to take a break from the forums again or put certain individuals on "ignore". Again, the toxicity and bad information by certain forum commenters revolving around this topic is strangleholding conversation. Thanks everyone.’

                Jarek (Stuck Limo), LH Labs ‘mouthpiece’ - Head-Fi post.

 

Sorry we hurt your feelings. Apparently ‘conversation’ involves pics of generic developer boards and Larry Ho with  3 men that could be his cousins (the Wave development team). 

Money is emotional, especially having it stolen. Try to ignore. We are not going away.

 

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1 hour ago, LHCommSquad said:

 

 

LH Labs approves and endorses this sheet, as it can also help us with our records. I also feel it is a good idea that only Markus have access to it to avoid tampering by any parties, for or against LH Labs.

Wow......and here I thought Gavin Fish had huge cahoonas for stealing LH labs mail list and emailing me inviting me to some ‘not gonna happen pal’ venture. They approve and endorse. How nice of them.

My favorite part ‘for or against LH Labs’. I agree with Cecil - Classic!

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3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Looks like Indiegogo has a strange definition of success. 

 

“According to The Street, I've landed The Big Consumer Tech Lebowski when it comes to raising money through crowdfunding. In 2013, as Light Harmonic's Vice President of Sales and Marketing, I led a team that raised $5M in contributions in just over a year to fund projects my tech start-up dubbed "Awesomifiers." Two of my campaigns are proudly stationed in the most successful campaigns of all time on Indiegogo. Not bad, but I'm just getting started.”

 

https://about.me/gavn8r

 

 

For those of you may not know the backdrop, this email was sent after he left LH and Audioengine (I believe).

Gavin’s email (below) and my reply.

 

 

 

You got some big balls dude.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Gavin Fish <[email protected]> wrote:
 

Hey there,

Where do I begin?
I'm reaching out to you today because in the past you supported one of my campaigns either on Indiegogo or Kickstarter, and I thought I'd send you this email and let you know what I'm up to now.

Before I go too much further, I know you may be one of many backers who are still waiting for the perks you were promised by LH Labs. For this, I'm very sorry. Unfortunately, I don't have a status update for you beyond what Jarek has posted. It's because of the terrible experiences many of you have had with crowdfunding that I've been very apprehensive about reaching out to you. I'm also apprehensive about taking on a client that can't prove to me that they can deliver on their promises quickly. It's taken me over a year of searching, but I found one that I'd like to tell you about.

This is DOQ+Powerwallet.
DOQ+Powerwallet is a creation of the team at OnHand, based in Boston, MA. They've been in business since 2010 and distribute their products into more than 700 campus stores throughout the US. They're looking to expand their ecommerce business, and have developed DOQ+Powerwallet for this exact purpose.

So, what is DOQ+Powerwallet? Well, it's a sleek aluminum docking station with two built-in wireless chargers and a place for your Apple Watch charger plus a stylish, thin, and lightweight wallet made from the finest grade leather with a built-in 3000 mAh battery. Together, they make your life easier.

Check out the video to the right to learn more. If you'd like to get on the list for early access, go here and sign up.

Thank you.
Thanks for taking the time to read this email. While I'm sending it to you through an email-sending machine, I'll see and personally respond to each reply I get. So please click reply if you'd like to talk. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have about projects old or new.

Sincerely,

Gavin

PS - Because I know you're into audio gear, I also thought I'd let you know about Lendi. It's a mobile app that will be launching soon. It gives you access to a library of personal audio gear that you can borrow. Check it out!

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2 hours ago, LHCommSquad said:

No hard feelings towards you. Everyone is testy around here, reasonably and unreasonably.

Once you explain how anyone could be ‘unreasonably’ testy for this s-show, I’ll take you seriously.

Jarek, you are nothing but an internet troll. Providing no useful or productive information but succeding in enraging a whole bunch of folks.

I’m out $231. That’s it. I continue to be ‘one of those 30 or 40’ that complain. It’s a bad debt to me that was written off after year 3. I speak for those who do not wish to or can’t due to language / personal reasons.

Casey/Manny/Gina/Jarek/........next. 

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On 2/4/2019 at 4:25 AM, marflao said:

alright...here we go.

 

Sheet has been created: 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vE7_LByDDY6w8J-E-l4njfkvXcggTasrG90z11swJww/edit?usp=sharing

 

In case you want to be part of this sheet pls send me an email to defraudedbylhl at gmail dot com with the following  details:

- username (as mentioned.. it is hidden)

- "your" forum where you use the username

- from which continent you are

- which LHL device(s) you have backed and

- how much you paid for each backed device.

 

Cheers,

M.

 

 

 

 

Bumping this post so as not to get lost. Send your info people.

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8 minutes ago, LHCommSquad said:

 

But why? As our good friend Ravi says: 

 

 

Thank you Jarek. You have confirmed my earlier contention that you are nothing but a run-of-the-mill internet troll. Save your 'game' for the white girl from Ohio.

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38 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

 

I've often thought that the whole supposed falling out between Larry and Gavin was just another part of the ruse. Gavin wasn't truly shown the door in my opinion, he was hired to do a certain job, that is raise millions in IGG funding, and when that job was done he walked with his predetermined cut.

 

The ruse bestowed on the backers was then furthered with a cover story that there was some deep falling out between the two, which fit the whole theme of disarray and gee we're sorry we've fallen behind, and wow Larry wasn't even aware of what marketing was doing, and so yeah we're going to now make Gavin the fall guy because lets face it, he isn't even here anymore to be questioned.

 

So remove the guy that made all of the public promises, send him on his way with a nice fat (predetermined?) payout severance, and then use that story to further the delaying tactics.

 

The only reason I'd want to doubt the above is this has for certain ruined Gavin's career in the industry, and so Larry would have had to pay him a relatively large sum to go quietly.

 

Anyone able to search pending or settled litigation between Mr. Fish and Larry Ho or LH Labs/Light Harmonic?

Ruined his reputation ? Audioengine almost immediately hired him as head of marketing. They subsequently came to their senses and canned him.

I agree that Gavin is equally culpable in this and fueled the whole perk frenzy. I’ll give it to him, he fulfilled his mission. 

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1 minute ago, LHCommSquad said:

 

We literally just put out 2 updates on 4/18 and 4/26 showing actual work and progress. 

Stop.

You put out 'updates' for the past 3 years claiming 'actual work and progress'.

We are not sheep.

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Happy Anniversary!
5 years ago I contributed my hard earned $ for a ‘world class DAP’.
I hope Larry, Gavin, Casey, Gina, Manny, Jarek, blah, blah have enjoyed wining, dining and buying toys with my pledge.
I expect nothing at this point. Nothing except Karma.

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@LHCommSquad

 No update for 2 months on the Indiegogo site. Crickets on Head Fi (reported a post  that hurt your collective feelings and was removed  - not here pal).

 Whether you like it or not Jarek, you are racing toward the Larry, Gavin, Casey, Gina, Manny reputation.

 Oh, I know.........computer generated mock ups and a cool spec sheet is coming soon.

Defend these crooks. Better yet, send me a refund 😂

 

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53 minutes ago, LHCommSquad said:

 

I thought you weren't going to post in here anymore. I'm unsure why you're continuing to prod a fight with me/LH Labs/LH when we a) aren't a competitor of yours and b) have done nothing against or towards you. 

 

Instead of trying to pick fights with another company, maybe spend your efforts towards the following:

 

1. Focusing on the audio needs and solutions of your customers

2. Focusing on spending time with your wife/kids

3. Sending your products to Amir for testing (but that'll never happen, right?)

On a previous post of mine on Head Fi, you took exception to my questioning what your value was at this point and giving my opinion that you were nothing more than an internet troll. You cried to them and had it removed.
Your reply to Alex (especially point #3) proves me correct. Be constructive with REAL information or scroll on by please. I still want a refund 🤣

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15 minutes ago, LHCommSquad said:

Actually we've had a lot of positive feedback and we've had a lot of negative feedback. Unsure what your point is or how it fits into this particular discussion. Some people love us and actively seek to buy our products still. Others don't like us and don't seek to buy our products. Just like any other company. I can tell you there are some reviews out there who preferred the Revive to Uptone's offering. Maybe there are reviews which don't. Just like any other company in any other business.

 

‘Some people love us and actively seek to buy our products still’. Absurd.....again, troll...and not well at that.

Another take. Good, you have cash flow. Refund the damn $ I sent years ago. Better yet, send me their address  and I’ll send them (on me) a POS Pulse (door stop) as a thank you for funding my refund. 

 

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Well.....I see how Jarek (aka @stuck_limo, aka @LHCommSquad) spends his time. Reporting ‘objectionable’ posts on Head-Fi. 2nd time I called him out for being nothing more than a troll at this point, 2nd time he’s asked for it to be removed for being personal. Must have struck a chord. Here it is.....someone explain what’s false about this?

Dying on a hill?
I’m out $231.00
This isn’t about money. I won’t stop calling Larry, Gavin, Casey, Gina, Manny......and you Jarek out for being either a crook, or a troll.
I’m going to get back every single dollar in the satisfaction of replying to your crap on every forum I can, for the unfortunate ones that are are out hundreds or thousands more.

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5 hours ago, marflao said:

Lol....love those guys.

 

Hmmmm. I wonder who 'brought it to the attention of the moderators'?
Could be the same person who 'brought it to the attention of the moderators' who subsequently removed 2 of my posts regarding Jarek doing nothing more than trolling all of us at this point?
Someone has incriminating pictures of someone at HF I rekon.

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2 hours ago, stuck limo said:

 

 

 

The crowd turns....

Yep, not a troll at all.

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1 hour ago, Cecil said:

Put a reminder over at head fi for potential 'joiners', but it was deleted by the moderator following a complaint from someone claiming that the post broke the forum rules regarding legal proceedings.

 

Not really sure whether lodging a complaint with the AG is deemed a legal proceeding, but I respect the moderator's decision. 

Jarek is on the job (non-paid lol). He’s had a couple of my posts removed from that thread for calling him nothing more than a troll at this point. He must have some relationship with a moderator beyond just an industry one.

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6 minutes ago, Currawong said:

 

As an ex-admin of Head-Fi, I can say for certain that that kind of BS does not go on there. 

As an ex-king of industry I say OK. 
 

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22 hours ago, stuck limo said:

 

I'd buy whatever you need if you can afford to do so, whenever you need to. If/when the LH L comes, keep it as a second system or sell it. 

 

 

Congratulations @stuck limo this could be the first honest post you’ve made in any forum.

Tomorrow, 5/14 is the SIX YEAR anniversary of my contribution for the Wave. 
How about sending me the cheapest set of earbuds as settlement? I can use them riding around on my tractor cutting the grass. Just like I do with the ‘awesome’ Verb.

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On 7/26/2020 at 2:56 AM, stuck limo said:

For further updates on LH L, please keep watching IGG.

I'll save you the time from checking on IGG.....

See the renderings of the updated chassis
Bluetooth and WiFi now working
Software team is busy working on OS

 

Repeat every 3 months or so.

It's really not a very difficult job Jarek. Larry is really overpaying you.

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OK, let's just say that LHL delivers on the Wave. I know, I know.

Considering all of us that own bricks with fancy names like 'Pulse' and 'LPS', what possibly could go wrong with the Wave?

I may end this 6 1/2 comedy and take some earbuds. At least they have a better chance of lasting a year. Maybe.