Veovis Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 18 hours ago, damien78 said: The license validation must be done once every 2 weeks. So you need to connect your Mac to the Internet every two weeks. This is the reason why I won't even consider upgrading from v. 2. A one time activation process is the most I'll ever accept as DRM. This new scheme will probably only bring you bad will and lost sales. Hope you reconsider. Link to comment
pl_svn Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I do understand anti-piracy measures and requiring an internet connection on first install is fine but treating each and every customer as a (potential) thief is unacceptable! Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
wwaldmanfan Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Although I purchased full-license versions of Audirvana 1, 2, and 3 to support the product, I prefer the SQ of v2.6 on my system. santar 1 Link to comment
Frojo Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Please can someone confirm that Version 2 operates as a 'one time activation'. I don't recall being aware of this new validation system when i upgraded to V3, and probably would not have done so if i had realised. I shall return to 2.6. Link to comment
watercourse Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 hours ago, mevdinc said: I also think there should be a better way to check for license validation. I'm sure Damien will come up with a more practical and reasonable solution. Agreed. Another solution would be appreciated in my implementation. Late 2012 Mac Mini > Audirvana+3 > iFi Zen Stream > Heimdall 2 USB > iFi iDSD Micro BL > Pass Labs INT-30A > DeVore The Nines! + REL Strata III Well-Tempered Amadeus Benz ACE SL > Pass Labs XOno "Water is the most critical resource issue of our lifetime and our children's lifetime. The health of our waters is the principal measure of how we live on the land." - Luna Leopold Link to comment
phosphorein Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I also will not upgrade to v3. I appreciate Damian's work over the years to deliver high SQ to the MacOS platform. However, the increase in complexity of the product, the continuing weakness of database handling (and bugs), as well as the inclusion of a sonically-compromised and proprietary protocol (MQA) are deal-breakers for me. The adoption of the new verification system is not appropriate for me as I often am offline. I will continue to enjoy Audirvana 2.6 and would request that Damian continue to support this version. Link to comment
Innocent Bystander Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Poor Damien, he must be beginning to wish he had never heard of MQA, let alone implemented it. Yes, this version at the moment holds no interest for me at all, and will not until 1) major bugs are fixed, 2) license is immune from absnce of ability to regularly check home, and 3) the library is fixed to include browsing and sorting by folders. And given the MQA ongoing seemingly continuous problems I would personally refer 2.6 to be retained with library improved as a matter of urgency, then maybe re-release 3 as a v4, much like Microsoft rapidly had to replace the awful Win8. Mac Mini - late 2012: core i5/2.5GHz/16GB/2x1TB SSDs/El Capitan, headless - Audirvana optimised, dedicated USB bus - USB Regen - Chord Dave DAC - tri-amped with Bryston amps - PMC/ATC speaker combo. (Detail in my profile.) Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Wow, tough crowd here... Sir Real B. Czar 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
lonf Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Exactly which version of A+ began doing a network check for authentication? 3.0, or a middle rev? Link to comment
win32pro Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, lonf said: Exactly which version of A+ began doing a network check for authentication? 3.0, or a middle rev? I've noticed it in 3.0.0 first. Link to comment
jhwalker Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Innocent Bystander said: Poor Damien, he must be beginning to wish he had never heard of MQA, let alone implemented it. Yes, this version at the moment holds no interest for me at all, and will not until 1) major bugs are fixed, 2) license is immune from absnce of ability to regularly check home, and 3) the library is fixed to include browsing and sorting by folders. And given the MQA ongoing seemingly continuous problems I would personally refer 2.6 to be retained with library improved as a matter of urgency, then maybe re-release 3 as a v4, much like Microsoft rapidly had to replace the awful Win8. Hm - works perfectly for me. And exactly which "MQA ongoing seemingly continuous problems" are affecting you? Sir Real B. Czar 1 John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
Innocent Bystander Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, jhwalker said: Hm - works perfectly for me. And exactly which "MQA ongoing seemingly continuous problems" are affecting you? Sorry, that was typed in transit and the MQA in that phrase was spurious from an edit: Delete the 'MQA' when reading that. Mac Mini - late 2012: core i5/2.5GHz/16GB/2x1TB SSDs/El Capitan, headless - Audirvana optimised, dedicated USB bus - USB Regen - Chord Dave DAC - tri-amped with Bryston amps - PMC/ATC speaker combo. (Detail in my profile.) Link to comment
Sonic77 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 10:34 AM, damien78 said: The license validation must be done once every 2 weeks. So you need to connect your Mac to the Internet every two weeks. WTF! Link to comment
jtm Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Oh, now what about those of us running a headless Mac inside a home network dedicated to music playback from the NAS and USB/Firewire connected storage only ? I do N O T like this kind of behaviour that an application starts talking to Mum or Dad without asking me ! I have paid my license fee for all three major release versions. If my system is running fine I even do not follow up on every update. Damien, this is really disappointing ! win32pro 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I am a little upset because it means I will be unable to take my laptop and music to the cabin, nor will I be able to take it sailing, unless I use a different software. and I really like Audirvana. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Also, this may be the first version of A+ that has actually done anything when the SYStem OPTimizer was set to on... How do I know? Well, when Spotlight is turned off, and then back on again, it forces it to re-index your drive/drives again... Every single time I turn A+ off after updating to 3.0.5 Spotlight goes nuts and so do my fans. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post audiocanyon Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 10:34 AM, damien78 said: The license validation must be done once every 2 weeks. So you need to connect your Mac to the Internet every two weeks. Totally unnecessary and disappointing. I doubt I will remain a customer for long with this kind of untrusting intrusion into my listening experience. jvlata and win32pro 2 2012 Mac Mini, Mac Sierra OS, Audirvana 3.x, WireWorld Ultraviolet 7 USB Interconnect, Benchmark DAC2 L, Wireworld Equinox 7 Balanced XLR Interconnect, Belles 350A Amp, DIY Speaker Cables (18 strands of 22awg wire in circular array), DIY Carver Ribbon Speakers & Dayton Woofers Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 hours ago, audiocanyon said: Totally unnecessary and disappointing. I doubt I will remain a customer for long with this kind of untrusting intrusion into my listening experience. +1! Link to comment
jvlata Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 +1! Just for music:Mac Mini 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5 60GB SSD, 16GB RAM (Mid 2011) OS X El Capitan 10.11.3 > WD NAS 6TB > Audirvana+>Roon Server > HQPlayer >iPad for Roon Remote> Teac UD-503 DAC > Audio Quest Cinnamon USB cable > Cambridge Audio Azur 840C > Cambridge Audio Azur 840A > Polk LSi 15 > DIY Speaker Cables. Link to comment
Jud Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Obviously sailing against the tide here, but I was just about to remark on spending a lovely late afternoon/early evening with nothing else to do (extremely rare for me lately) listening to Fleetwood Mac's "Bare Trees" and Steely Dan's "Countdown to Ecstasy" and "Pretzel Logic," thinking how wonderful the music sounded. The "phone home" license checking doesn't adversely affect me, but I empathize with those for whom it does and hope a workable solution is found. pl_svn 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
miguelito Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 1:34 PM, damien78 said: The license validation must be done once every 2 weeks. So you need to connect your Mac to the Internet every two weeks. Hi @damien78: Is there usage data transmitted or just a license verification? What happens if A+ wants to check at a moment when I don't have a connection, like on a plane, or on vacation and without a reliable connection? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, miguelito said: Hi @damien78: Is there usage data transmitted or just a license verification? What happens if A+ wants to check at a moment when I don't have a connection, like on a plane, or on vacation and without a reliable connection? @damien78: You see, my problem is that I mostly use A+ on my laptop when I leave the house. This means often I have not used A+ until I am on the road and more often than not this means internet connections are spotty. So in all likelihood I will bump into this on a plane or somewhere where I don't have an internet connection. I think I'm "upgrading" back to 2.6.5! PS: Where's the LAME emoticon when you need it?! PS2: I subscribe to Adobe's Lightroom, Photoshop, and Acrobat DC. Never had an issue. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
RunHomeSlow Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 For the license thing, if Adobe and Microsoft can't do anything about piracy, i doubt that Damien could... If this licensing was for that reason alone, i would go back. After all the troubles 3.0.2 introduced with SysOpt, 3.0.5 is back to normal now and all is fine for me. :-) If You Got Ears, You Gotta Listen – Captain Beefheart MacMini 2018, 4xi3 3.6GHz, SSD, 20Gb, macOS Sonoma > Audirvana Origin > Wyred DAC2 DSD Special Edition > Proceed AMP2 > Focal Cobalt 826 Signature Series > Audirvana Remote > iPhone 13 Link to comment
Popular Post damien78 Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 Version 2 was using a license file mechanism for unlocking the trial version. This was too complex and confusing for many users. So I moved to a license number key scheme that is the one to which users are used to. Except the few softwares that want to be hacked and stolen in a few minutes, all commercial softwares use a server validation mechanism. Some vendors have even moved to a subscription model, something I’m not willing to do as I think (maybe I’m wrong) you prefer to fully own your own copy of Audirvana Plus and give you the choice to get the benefits of the next major version though a paid upgrade, or remain with the current one. The need to check on regular basis the server is meant to check if a license has not been burnt because it has been widely shared by someone who thought software developers effort should not be rewarded, though they would not think to steal the expensive hardware they have bought. All the various app store, and popular applications use such a server validation model. FYI, Adobe and Microsoft have seen a real decrease in piracy rate after implementing such mechanism. There is no impact on the user except the need to be connected to the Internet at least once every 15 days when launching Audirvana Plus. For those who fear to not have an Internet access for long period of travel, is it for more than 15 days not connected at all? Would you prefer a whole month? Audirvana Plus connects to audirvana.com for only two purposes: 1. To check the license 2. To check and download updates BTW, you connect your Mac for so many other purposes (checking email, going on the web, including here on CA, …), sending audio data to a network player, … Booster MPS and Giacomino 2 MBP 15"/Mac Mini, Audirvana Plus, Audioquest Diamond USB, AMR DP-777, exD DSD DAC (for DSD), Pioneer N-70AE, Audioquest Niagara balanced/Viard Audio Design Silver HD, Accuphase E-560, Cabasse Sumatra MT420 Link to comment
Popular Post pl_svn Posted April 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2017 can't you instead, on first install, do the online check and tie the license to some machine's ID (serial # or any other available)? as others have already said... sure: most are using a shared computer which connects to the internet regularly but... what about those who use a dedicated machine not connected to anything else than *local* network? (... if connected at all to anything apart a USB HD and a DAC!) win32pro and Sonic77 2 Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
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