freddie40 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just wanted everyone to know that I got my Ayre QB9 DSD upgraded to Double DSD today Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Interesting. How? Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
freddie40 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ayre started to update the QB9 to Double DSD. I was the first. You will have to contact them for details. Dave Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ayre started to update the QB9 to Double DSD. I was the first. You will have to contact them for details. Dave OK, thanks for the reply. Just curious really, I assume you had to send the unit in? How long did it take? Thanks again. Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
freddie40 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 I live 40 miles from Ayre, so I took it there. It took 3 days. Dave Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I live 40 miles from Ayre, so I took it there. It took 3 days. Dave Sorry, one more question then I promise to leave you alone. Double DSD still uses DOP, correct? The QB9 doesn't do native DSD, I believe. Thanks, Bob Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
freddie40 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 DOP is just a way to deliver DSD to a DAC. So yes the QB9 does do native DSD. The original idea for DoP was invented by dCS in 2011. It involves taking groups of 16 adjacent 1-bit samples from a DSD stream and packing them into the lower 16 bits of a 24/176.4 data stream. Data from the other channel of the stereo pair is packed the same way. A specific marker code in the top 8 bits identifies the data stream as DoP, rather than PCM. The resulting DoP stream can be transmitted through existing 24/192-capable USB, AES, Dual AES or SPDIF interfaces to a DoP-compatible DAC, which reassembles the original stereo DSD data stream COMPLETELY UNCHANGED. Dave Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
TAV Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just wanted everyone to know that I got my Ayre QB9 DSD upgraded to Double DSD today [ATTACH=CONFIG]32365[/ATTACH] Any other changes included in this upgrade? What was the cost? Link to comment
freddie40 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Any other changes included in this upgrade? What was the cost? I just checked and the DAC now also does 352 and 384. The cost is $200 is you have the QB9DSD. Dave Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
TAV Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I just checked and the DAC now also does 352 and 384. The cost is $200 is you have the QB9DSD. Dave Thanks, I"d have to ship mine to them not sure I will upgrade if the DSD improvement is all that's included. Link to comment
beetlemania Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just wanted everyone to know that I got my Ayre QB9 DSD upgraded to Double DSD today [ATTACH=CONFIG]32365[/ATTACH] That's surprising given that the QB-9 is now discontinued. I think I'll save my $200 for more PCM titles tho'. I barely have any DSD 64 and can't think of a single higher rate DSD title that I would like to listen to. Thanks for the info, tho'. I was hoping Ayre would announce a new integrated amp to replace the AX-7 at CES. Haven't been able to find any info. Roon ROCK (Roon 1.7; NUC7i3) > Ayre QB-9 Twenty > Ayre AX-5 Twenty > Thiel CS2.4SE (crossovers rebuilt with Clarity CSA and Multicap RTX caps, Mills MRA-12 resistors; ERSE and Jantzen coils; Cardas binding posts and hookup wire); Cardas and OEM power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables Link to comment
bluebeat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Interesting. Good to see that Ayre is willing to keep it's promise, even when the QB-9 is retired. ? Nothing on the website yet. Is the update software only? Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 That's surprising given that the QB-9 is now discontinued. I think I'll save my $200 for more PCM titles tho'. I barely have any DSD 64 and can't think of a single higher rate DSD title that I would like to listen to. I kinda feel the same, I only have three DSD recordings (all classical). Even with the 15% discounts at NativeDSD, I can't afford DSD64 let alone DSD128. There are downsides to retirement... Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
freddie40 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Interesting. Good to see that Ayre is willing to keep it's promise, even when the QB-9 is retired. Nothing on the website yet. Is the update software only? Please email Ayre with any question about the update. Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
bluebeat Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I did, yesterday. Was hoping someone already knew. Link to comment
bluebeat Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 It's a small hardware change Ayre told me. I'm considering the upgrade... I guess a new Ayre dac between Codex and QX-5 will surface in time, but it will take at least another 6 months. Untill then I can play around with double dsd and when I want to sell the QB-9, it's in the best shape a buyer could want. ? Link to comment
Jonny Park Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Is this only upgrade for dsd128 without SQ improvement? Do u recommend this upgrade for just a tidal user? Link to comment
bluebeat Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Hi Jonny, Other SQ improvements than having the benefits of higher PCM and DSD rates I'm not aware of. The information I have doesn't suggest that. Can't tell you much more about it, as I don't have the upgrade yet. I ordered it, but it will take another two or three weeks I guess before the upgrade is implemented. If you're upsampling Tidal - using f.e. HQ-player or Roon - to these higher sample rates you will be able to benefit from the upgrade, and you might find it an improvement. Marc Link to comment
Jonny Park Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I'm wondering whether the SQ also improved or just getting capability of dsd 128. Link to comment
Jonny Park Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Thanks ur kind reply. To upgrade a couple of weeks waiting made me hesitate. Link to comment
bluebeat Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Hi Jonny, If you have questions left, just ask Ayre. In my experience they're very responsive. They wil be able to tell you more than I can. Simply mail them. Cheers Marc Link to comment
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