Samuel T Cogley Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I'm sorry if what I have posted is misunderstood. Yes there is a lot of "talk" about MQA; there has been a lot published in the last 2+ years about how it is (essentially) the second coming of digital audio. Now two years later there are a handful of titles available for purchase and in the last week (finally!) a few hundred titles available for streaming (admittedly and happily a number growing by the day). My posts reflect what has actually happened, and pardon me for being skeptical of "big talk" by the principals involved. Given the rather ill-founded comments and comparisons regarding the sound of MQA all over the forum in the past few days (really! comparing it to CD's, with no idea of comparable masterings much less hi-res or not) I'm a bit surprised with the response to my comments which are in fact directly on point with that topic, and of this moment are not demonstrably false (although I acknowledge, in fact hope, that may change over the next few days, weeks or months) Well, at least look at it this way: At some other forums (like Hoffman), any post even slightly negative about Warner would be instantly deleted. Yours is still up there! Hang in there dude! Link to comment
mav52 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Not true! The "Masters" area is a subset of all the MQA titles. If you can , can you show me a MQA album that resides outside of the MQA masters, this is interesting The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 If you can , can you show me a MQA album that resides outside of the MQA masters, this is interesting Try to find Dokken Tooth And Nail in the Masters section. Link to comment
jhwalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 If you can , can you show me a MQA album that resides outside of the MQA masters, this is interesting Search for "Simon Rattle" - there is *1* ("Pictures At An Exhibition") under the "Masters" section, but I've found at least 5 in the search results. There is no flag that allows you to search for them, but if you start playing them, you see the "MASTER" label in the bottom right light up. Almost all of the 24/96 hi-res downloads made available over the past few years are in MQA format on Tidal *right now*. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
mav52 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Search for "Simon Rattle" - there is *1* ("Pictures At An Exhibition") under the "Masters" section, but I've found at least 5 in the search results. There is no flag that allows you to search for them, but if you start playing them, you see the "MASTER" label in the bottom right light up. Almost all of the 24/96 hi-res downloads made available over the past few years are in MQA format on Tidal *right now*. Interesting for sure. I'm a Tom Petty fan,. The Masters only shows a 6 , but if you bring them all up in search, all of them a lot more than 6, they all have the bottom right MASTERS light on when you play a track, not sure that means they are in fact MQA or not. But Tidals Masters section leaves a lot to be desired as far as what is there. The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
speshal Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I look forward to your review of MQA. I'll be using this helpful guide you provided as a critique template. :-) I purposely left off my personal thoughts on MQA because I gave a method to find out for yourself. There's no reason to further color people's expectations when we now have an easy method to compare MQA/Non-MQA in a blind test. If you really want the results of my testing, I can send a PM. Link to comment
audiventory Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 If you really want the results of my testing, I can send a PM. Without available encoder and decoder either MQA is lossy or lossless is unknown exactly. If MQA is lossy, it may be compared by ears only. Though there it is need to have encoder too. Because no 100% sureness in identity available original file and MQA-file. AuI ConverteR 48x44 - HD audio converter/optimizer for DAC of high resolution files ISO, DSF, DFF (1-bit/D64/128/256/512/1024), wav, flac, aiff, alac, safe CD ripper to PCM/DSF, Seamless Album Conversion, AIFF, WAV, FLAC, DSF metadata editor, Mac & WindowsOffline conversion save energy and nature Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 You already know how to find it or you wouldn't be listening to it. Whats there is there, if its not in the Masters area its not there, yet. Interesting for sure. I'm a Tom Petty fan,. The Masters only shows a 6 , but if you bring them all up in search, all of them a lot more than 6, they all have the bottom right MASTERS light on when you play a track, not sure that means they are in fact MQA or not. But Tidals Masters section leaves a lot to be desired as far as what is there. Apology accepted. :-) Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I purposely left off my personal thoughts on MQA because I gave a method to find out for yourself. There's no reason to further color people's expectations when we now have an easy method to compare MQA/Non-MQA in a blind test. If you really want the results of my testing, I can send a PM. It's easier to critique a review than write one. I was hoping to see what I assume are some awesome review writing skills. Link to comment
MikeJazz Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Search for "Simon Rattle" - there is *1* ("Pictures At An Exhibition") under the "Masters" section, but I've found at least 5 in the search results. There is no flag that allows you to search for them, but if you start playing them, you see the "MASTER" label in the bottom right light up. I found that trick yesterday. They should use some label, it's a mess this way. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/members/mikejazz/ funded this campain: http://igg.me/at/geekpulseaudio/x/5216671 Link to comment
crenca Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Search for "Simon Rattle" - there is *1* ("Pictures At An Exhibition") under the "Masters" section, but I've found at least 5 in the search results. There is no flag that allows you to search for them, but if you start playing them, you see the "MASTER" label in the bottom right light up. Almost all of the 24/96 hi-res downloads made available over the past few years are in MQA format on Tidal *right now*. I am not following this search trick - I don't see a "masters" section for which to find a "1" under...I must be misinterpreting your method. Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
mav52 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I am not following this search trick - I don't see a "masters" section for which to find a "1" under...I must be misinterpreting your method. I found one with any mention of the words Picture At An Exhibition in the Album title . All I'm doing is adding Simon Rattle in the general search area for albums , and thats what pops up. The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
bobbmd Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 mav52-you can say that again where do you find all the rest of the 'Masters'? by hit or miss i don't have the patience or the time Link to comment
Ciamarasound Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 MQA needs to be transparant and tell us what source/mix was used to make the MQA/MASTER. This should be in the Metadata so that Roon and Tidal can display it for us and eliminate all the speculation as the source. Apart from this pet peeve I am enjoying the MQA/MASTER tracks through my Explorer2 DAC. Thanks Tidal. I don't think they should be required to tell us, but it would make for a nice story in the album notes section. More content about an album is rarely a bad thing and has the potential to bring the listener closer to the Artist. Ciamara is the trusted leader in high end audio. We deliver the tailored advice and service of the best local stereo shops, but with a dynamic, interactive experience that is only possible on the Web. For more details, we invite you to visit us at ciamara.com Link to comment
Ciamarasound Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The only thing I'm saying is this - You're comparing Apples to Oranges. You have no idea if the MQA version sounds different because of MQA or because of different mastering. Thus, there's no way to make a technology judgment. The only conclusion supported by your listening experience is that two versions sound different. It's possible this is a new master and MQA made it sound much worse or much better than the straight PCM. We have no clue. Exactly. Ciamara is the trusted leader in high end audio. We deliver the tailored advice and service of the best local stereo shops, but with a dynamic, interactive experience that is only possible on the Web. For more details, we invite you to visit us at ciamara.com Link to comment
speshal Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 It's easier to critique a review than write one. I was hoping to see what I assume are some awesome review writing skills. Actually, it's easier to do primitive listening tests and then come on to a forum and write a few paragraph "conclusion". I took the time to write a detailed method to objectively and thoroughly test for yourself. If you don't like it, don't want to do it, and/or prefer to read anecdotal conclusions based on primitive testing, it's totally fine by me. I've given my thoughts and results of testing to anyone who PM'd me, but, AGAIN, anyone can easily do the test themselves. It's not rocket science and it doesn't take that long. I prefer finding out for myself versus reading opinions on a forum, but to each his own. Link to comment
jerico Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 American Beauty and Workingman's Dead both sound like different mixes to me (IIRC the HD versions that were on HDTracks a while back were similar). I notice some increased reverb on drums and vocals, and I don't think it is MQA "magic", but the mix. Conjecture at this point, pending more detail comparisons. But these albums just sound different. Digital: Schiit Yggy + Gumby, Meridian Explorer2 Headphone: Woo WA22, Audez'e LCD3, Beyerdynamic T1 Amplification: Pass Labs INT30A, Focal 1027be Analog: VPI Classic, Soundsmith Zephy, EAR 834P LastFM: WharfRatJustin Link to comment
realhifi Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I don't think they should be required to tell us, but it would make for a nice story in the album notes section. More content about an album is rarely a bad thing and has the potential to bring the listener closer to the Artist. Agreed. And nicely put. David Link to comment
bobbmd Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 jerico: For what ever I think they(Beauty and Workingman) sound almost as good as or even better than my old oh so old DVD-A discs in 7.1 but then again maybe it is my 'primitive' ears different maybe but definitely 'better'. If one likes it fine if you don't like it don't listen to it and all of you stop being so critical. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I understand there are the same/different MQA/16-44/24bit masters questions that make the sonic comparison of Tidal streams apples vs oranges matter. I have no MQA DAC and I have no Tidal (for a couple of reasons) so I can't make the listening test myself, however I did undecoded MQA/16-44/hi-res sonic evaluation (and posted the results here http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/mqa-testing-31514/index4.html) using 2L site: http://www.2l.no/hires/ (definitely the same masters) Why don't you guys owning MQA DACs do the same.? I'm not that excited about MQA as I don't stream music at all (and the MQA catalogue at the moment is waay too small for me) but I believe such a comparison could say a lot about whether MQA is really a friend of the devil. Or an angel Link to comment
Fokus Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 If you can , can you show me a MQA album that resides outside of the MQA masters, this is interesting Roberta Flack, First Take has an undeclared MQA version on Tidal Europe. Link to comment
oneway23 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 If you can , can you show me a MQA album that resides outside of the MQA masters, this is interesting Here are a few more I've found from the Red Hot Chili Peppers - By the Way, Stadium Arcadium, I'm With You, The Getaway, Californication. Link to comment
pdickerson Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I have abandoned my 2Tb of flac and 96/24 music. Since tidal release MQA app it is all listen to. It has depth and width and I could not be happier with the way it is making my Primaluna Dialogue HP l, YGGY and Aerial 5T system sound. Oh + M&K sub Link to comment
djd Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Right on my brother! Sent from my STV100-1 using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 @pdickerson You are a relative newbie on CA so welcome! Seems that you've registered here just to praise MQA (and Aerial 5T - just a little bit). Your posts sound almost like ads.. You must really love it! @djd Welcome too! Link to comment
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