kumakuma Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Speaking of Companies House, what does today's posting from MQA Ltd mean? It basically says that whatever is supposed to be posted has been posted. ??? It appears to be an annual filing that UK corporation must make: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirmation-statement-guidance Your understanding appears to be correct. Nothing material has changed at MQA. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted July 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2021 I would be so glad if this was all just gone. It is like the Sword of Damocles hanging over the future of music distribution. kumakuma and lucretius 2 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
RichardSF Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 11:19 AM, KeenObserver said: How successful has Tidal been in promoting MQA? Does Tidal have any market share? Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share. https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021 Currawong 1 Link to comment
Rt66indierock Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 hours ago, RichardSF said: Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share. https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021 On the Hifi tier the market share is less than a tenth of a percent. Link to comment
Currawong Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 It wouldn't surprise me if they tell the investors that TIDAL is a major streaming service and is now all MQA, suggesting that they have made major progress when they've succeeded in taking over what is indeed a fraction of a percent of the market. To me, it was more telling that they used to have someone from Dolby on their board, who left years ago, and now Dolby has gone to Apple... they knew it would have zero traction unless they captured Spotify and/or Apple, and I'm sure both, years ago, said that high-res was a waste of time even before the idea of trying to convince consumers to buy into it. Link to comment
Confused Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 16 hours ago, KeenObserver said: What I would like to know: Is MQA still trying to foist this horrid scheme on the music consumer? With all the recent examination is MQA conceding "We've been exposed". OR Is MQA working still to implement their scheme? Evidently MQA are still trying to foist this "horrid scheme" on the music consumer. Just take a look at their Twitter feed, something or another is posted every few hours, it is much the same on Facebook and other social media. Which is pretty much the opposite of conceding "We've been exposed". They might be starting to think this though. Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
Popular Post Confused Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 9 hours ago, kumakuma said: It appears to be an annual filing that UK corporation must make: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirmation-statement-guidance Your understanding appears to be correct. Nothing material has changed at MQA. Indeed so. It is a requirement for UK companies to confirm that the data held by companies house remains valid and up to date. Essentially it is an authentication of data, MQA should be good at that. (OK, I cheated a bit and added the blue light myself) UkPhil, yahooboy, kumakuma and 2 others 1 4 Windows 11 PC, Roon, HQPlayer, Focus Fidelity convolutions, iFi Zen Stream, Paul Hynes SR4, Mutec REF10, Mutec MC3+USB, Devialet 1000Pro, KEF Blade. Plus Pro-Ject Signature 12 TT for playing my 'legacy' vinyl collection. Desktop system; RME ADI-2 DAC fs, Meze Empyrean headphones. Link to comment
MaxBuck Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 15 hours ago, RichardSF said: Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share. https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021 Correct. But we're the ones who count! Seriously, Spotify is likely to remain the major player in this streaming game, but for those of us who want to listen to better quality reproduction, our choices are relatively limited. The testing by @GoldenEar is persuasive that I shouldn't hitch to the Tidal/MQA wagon, and their false marketing claims are extremely troubling. And yet ... Tidal's user interface on the Bluesound platform is far superior to Qobuz; the Qobuz track information for classical performances is so bad that I'd probably have to add Idagio to my monthly costs. Qobuz is an inadequate platform for classical listening IMO. Regardless of measurements, the sonic quality of Tidal streaming is, subjectively to my ears, not inferior to Qobuz, Deezer and Amazon HD. I understand that MQA likely adds distortion components to the signal, but I honestly can't hear a difference. Neither Amazon nor Deezer can match the Qobuz or Tidal interface on my Bluesound Node. Neither can Spotify, actually. Ultimately I think I'll probably go with Idagio and Qobuz, using Idagio for classical listening and Qobuz for other genres. This will also let me try out some DSP for room correction without having to buy into Roon. And the Qobuz-Idagio combo is only $2.50/mo more than Tidal, and it'll give me many more classical listening choices. Link to comment
skikirkwood Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 9:30 AM, The Computer Audiophile said: I’d say it’s all up to two things. mQa flys if: 1. Spotify uses it or 2. Labels force it upon streaming services or it dies. One of the major reasons Spotify chose the Ogg Vorbis file format is it's open source, and therefore royalty free: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Spotify-use-the-relatively-obscure-Ogg-Vorbis-file-format There is zero chance Spotify would choose any compression scheme that required paying a royalty. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 hours ago, skikirkwood said: One of the major reasons Spotify chose the Ogg Vorbis file format is it's open source, and therefore royalty free: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Spotify-use-the-relatively-obscure-Ogg-Vorbis-file-format There is zero chance Spotify would choose any compression scheme that required paying a royalty. People who work at Spotify watched my RMAF mQa presentation on YouTube. I know this because they told me. They clearly researched mQa for some reason. lamode, lucretius and Archimago 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted July 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2021 No mention of mQa in this one. Kind of surprising such a huge supporter of it now has a system that can’t reproduce it. https://headlinermagazine.net/spotlight/inside-morten-lindberg-immersive-genelec-studio.html BassFace, MikeyFresh, lucretius and 2 others 3 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
UkPhil Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 It seems Sony’s joined the mQa roll out so the format has still got some steam left in it Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 It’s a contractual obligation that has been in place for years. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post UkPhil Posted July 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: It’s a contractual obligation that has been in place for years. A waste of effort on Sony’s part to be quite honest The Computer Audiophile, lucretius and lamode 3 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, UkPhil said: A waste of effort on Sony’s part to be quite honest Agree. All the labels agreed to convert their entire catalogs to mQa years ago. This is just Sony following through. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
UkPhil Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Agree. All the labels agreed to convert their entire catalogs to mQa years ago. This is just Sony following through. It will be interesting to see if we get mangled 24bit versions out of their archives or just converted 16/44.1 re hashes like Warners delivered to the consumer a few months ago Link to comment
Popular Post UkPhil Posted July 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: This is just Sony following through. That line has so many connotations 🤣 The Computer Audiophile and r0dd3r5 2 Link to comment
MadCow Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Ugh, I hope this (Sony) stays solely on Tidal and doesn't bleed into other places, like HDTracks. Link to comment
granosalis Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 13 hours ago, UkPhil said: It seems Sony’s joined the mQa roll out so the format has still got some steam left in it Can yoy please link a press release or article? I'm not able to find the news. Thanks. Link to comment
UkPhil Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, granosalis said: Can yoy please link a press release or article? I'm not able to find the news. Thanks. Looking into the mQa fan page it’s seems to have been supplied to them directly, nothing in the press as yet which seems strange Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, UkPhil said: Looking into the mQa fan page it’s seems to have been supplied to them directly, nothing in the press as yet which seems strange I bet Sony is thrilled to see mQa leaking its press releases to a Facebook group of sycophants. loop7 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
UkPhil Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I bet Sony is thrilled to see mQa leaking its press releases to a Facebook group of sycophants. They may have wanted to keep it quiet too Link to comment
firedog Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 If it's only at Tidal it doesn't matter. Tidal is irrelevant in the big picture. Currawong 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post mfsoa Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 Clearly, Sony didn't want the board of directors to know the vast resources that it took to research the ADC used for each track on each song on each album, and then to contact each and every one of these musicians to confirm that the final MQA result is truly "exactly as the artist intended" OldHardwareTech, Tone Deaf, MikeyFresh and 13 others 2 1 13 Link to comment
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