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9 minutes ago, KeenObserver said:

Speaking of Companies House, what does today's posting from MQA Ltd mean?

It basically says that whatever is supposed to be posted has been posted.

???

 

It appears to be an annual filing that UK corporation must make:

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/confirmation-statement-guidance

 

Your understanding appears to be correct. Nothing material has changed at MQA.

 

 

 

 

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On 7/22/2021 at 11:19 AM, KeenObserver said:

How successful has Tidal been in promoting MQA?

 

Does Tidal have any market share?

Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share.

 

https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021

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3 hours ago, RichardSF said:

Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share.

 

https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021

On the Hifi tier the market share is less than a tenth of a percent.

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It wouldn't surprise me if they tell the investors that TIDAL is a major streaming service and is now all MQA, suggesting that they have made major progress when they've succeeded in taking over what is indeed a fraction of a percent of the market.

 

To me, it was more telling that they used to have someone from Dolby on their board, who left years ago, and now Dolby has gone to Apple... they knew it would have zero traction unless they captured Spotify and/or Apple, and I'm sure both, years ago, said that high-res was a waste of time even before the idea of trying to convince consumers to buy into it.

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16 hours ago, KeenObserver said:

What I would like to know: Is MQA still trying to foist this horrid scheme on the music consumer?

 

With all the recent examination is MQA conceding "We've been exposed".

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Is MQA working still to implement their scheme?

Evidently MQA are still trying to foist this "horrid scheme" on the music consumer. Just take a look at their Twitter feed, something or another is posted every few hours, it is much the same on Facebook and other social media.  Which is pretty much the opposite of conceding "We've been exposed". They might be starting to think this though.

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15 hours ago, RichardSF said:

Tidal hasn't released subscriber numbers in recent years, but it probably has less than 1% market share of streaming music, and Qobuz is even much smaller than Tidal. If you look at charts of market share, Tidal and Qobuz are usually not listed, and lumped into the "Others" category. As a point of reference, in 2019 Roon said they had 100K subscribers (equivalent of 2 football stadiums). In summary, audiophiles make up a very, very small portion of total market share.

 

https://www.midiaresearch.com/blog/global-music-subscriber-market-shares-q1-2021

Correct. But we're the ones who count! 

 

Seriously, Spotify is likely to remain the major player in this streaming game, but for those of us who want to listen to better quality reproduction, our choices are relatively limited. The testing by @GoldenEar is persuasive that I shouldn't hitch to the Tidal/MQA wagon, and their false marketing claims are extremely troubling. And yet ...

 

  1. Tidal's user interface on the Bluesound platform is far superior to Qobuz; the Qobuz track information for classical performances is so bad that I'd probably have to add Idagio to my monthly costs. Qobuz is an inadequate platform for classical listening IMO. 
  2. Regardless of measurements, the sonic quality of Tidal streaming is, subjectively to my ears, not inferior to Qobuz, Deezer and Amazon HD.  I understand that MQA likely adds distortion components to the signal, but I honestly can't hear a difference. 
  3. Neither Amazon nor Deezer can match the Qobuz or Tidal interface on my Bluesound Node. Neither can Spotify, actually. 

Ultimately I think I'll probably go with Idagio and Qobuz, using Idagio for classical listening and Qobuz for other genres.  This will also let me try out some DSP for room correction without having to buy into Roon. And the Qobuz-Idagio combo is only $2.50/mo more than Tidal, and it'll give me many more classical listening choices.

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On 7/22/2021 at 9:30 AM, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’d say it’s all up to two things.
 

mQa flys if:

 

1. Spotify uses it or

2. Labels force it upon streaming services

 

or it dies. 

 

One of the major reasons Spotify chose the Ogg Vorbis file format is it's open source, and therefore royalty free: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Spotify-use-the-relatively-obscure-Ogg-Vorbis-file-format

 

There is zero chance Spotify would choose any compression scheme that required paying a royalty. 

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1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Agree. 
 

All the labels agreed to convert their entire catalogs to mQa years ago. This is just Sony following through. 

It will be interesting to see if we get mangled 24bit versions out of their archives or just converted 16/44.1 re hashes like Warners  delivered to the consumer a few months ago 

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13 hours ago, UkPhil said:

It seems Sony’s joined the mQa roll out so the format has still got some steam left in it 

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Can yoy please link a press release or article? I'm not able to find the news. Thanks. 

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44 minutes ago, granosalis said:

Can yoy please link a press release or article? I'm not able to find the news. Thanks. 

Looking into the mQa fan page it’s seems to have been supplied to them directly,  nothing in the press as yet which seems strange 

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19 minutes ago, UkPhil said:

Looking into the mQa fan page it’s seems to have been supplied to them directly,  nothing in the press as yet which seems strange 

I bet Sony is thrilled to see mQa leaking its press releases to a Facebook group of sycophants. 

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10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I bet Sony is thrilled to see mQa leaking its press releases to a Facebook group of sycophants. 

They may have wanted to keep it quiet too 

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If it's only at Tidal it doesn't matter. Tidal is irrelevant in the big picture.

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