lucretius Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 18 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: Download the multichannel tracks. 😉 They haven't figured out how to MQA multichannel music yet? mQa is dead! Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Oh lucretius....Kicking MQA while they're down???? 😝. ....I think they deserve it...!! 😝😝😝 Link to comment
Daren F Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 16 hours ago, KeenObserver said: Is there MQA without Tidal? Is there Tidal without Roon? Perhaps it is time to scrutinize Roon. I suspect that these guys are all in bed together. MQA produces the product. Tidal distributes the product. Roon provides the means to consume the product. Link to comment
Popular Post katools Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, LarryMagoo said: Your statements about Roon is almost 100% Bull$hit....what do you know....are you are subscriber? I have a been Lifetime member for almost 5 years. It simply is not how you portray Roon! PERIOD!! You must live in an alternative reality. Nothing I've said is not openly visible on the Roon forum if you care to open your eyes. And yes, I'm a lifetime member, since the initial launch. There's not a lot you're going to be able to tell me about what Roon does or doesn't do that I don't know from first hand experience. Now take your bat and ball and go home if you can't interact without going on the offensive. AudioDoctor, MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 3 Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I was just keeping with the groups tone here. With all the crap you laid out about Roon, you must regret your membership. I've used every other player software and to my experience they cannot hold a candle to Roon. The whole point was increasing my listening enjoyment therefore spending more time listening. I am a regular participant on many Roon's forum topics and really enjoy the camaraderie I've experienced there. Sorry if your experience has not been otherwise excellent. Link to comment
MarkusBarkus Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said: I've used every other player software and to my experience they cannot hold a candle to Roon. Have you tried TAS? I could hold the candle for you, so you don't extinguish it with tears of joy. 😉 I'm MarkusBarkus and I approve this post. Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 If you mean The Absolute Sound....I have been reading that mag since the early Harry Pearson days...? If you don't then I'd guess I have not. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 hours ago, lucretius said: They haven't figured out how to MQA multichannel music yet? Sure they have. That's how I obtained the multichannel MQA tracks that I have. What they have not done (I am glad to say) is to release any commercially. As a result, labels that are MQA-ing their stereo catalog are leaving their MCH stuff untouched. lucretius 1 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
UkPhil Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Daren F said: I suspect that these guys are all in bed together. MQA produces the product. Tidal distributes the product. Roon provides the means to consume the product. And their employees move between them Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 If Roon is giving their tacit support to Tidal and MQA, then we should consider the alternatives to Roon. lamode 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: If Roon is giving their tacit support to Tidal and MQA, then we should consider the alternatives to Roon. It's too late for us lifers. mQa is dead! Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, lucretius said: It's too late for us lifers. That's unfortunate. If MQA and Tidal died, would Roon survive? Is it in Roon's benefit to be tacitly supporting MQA? Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 hours ago, LarryMagoo said: I was just keeping with the groups tone here. What tone is it that you are referring to? Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: That's unfortunate. If MQA and Tidal died, would Roon survive? Is it in Roon's benefit to be tacitly supporting MQA? I think Roon needs to support streaming services if it wants new or renewed subscriptions/customers. For Roon to cut Tidal loose at this point makes no sense. Let's see what new streaming services come out and how many of those Roon will support. mQa is dead! Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Perhaps it's time for Roon to get off the pot. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Why do you think Roon needs Tidal? They have 300,000 customers that like Roon for what it is.....They can add Convolutions for Room Correction or HQP if they like that alteration to their Music files. Plus I think Qobuz has as a good following there. I enjoy using their services. Roon to get off the pot? Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, LarryMagoo said: Why do you think Roon needs Tidal? They have 300,000 customers that like Roon for what it is.....They can add Convolutions for Room Correction or HQP if they like that alteration to their Music files. Plus I think Qobuz has as a good following there. I enjoy using their services. Roon to get off the pot? One more time. Do you work for Roon or are you affiliated with Roon somehow? MikeyFresh and AudioDoctor 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
R1200CL Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said: are leaving their MCH stuff untouched. That’s just because there’s hardly any MCH DAC’s … Link to comment
R1200CL Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, lucretius said: and how many of those Roon will support. I’m sure if it’s up to Roon, they would support most. Unfortunately not all streaming services is willing to let Roon in. Spotify being one. lucretius 1 Link to comment
ChrisG Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 7 hours ago, LarryMagoo said: I would never touch a piece of PS Audio kit ever simply due to their MQA creation! I stopped buying their stuff when they introduced the Bridge v1 for the PerfectWave DAC and it wouldn't play gapless music. Turns out they didn't know that was a "thing". ChrisG Bend, OR Link to comment
ChrisG Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, lucretius said: I think Roon needs to support streaming services if it wants new or renewed subscriptions/customers. For Roon to cut Tidal loose at this point makes no sense. Let's see what new streaming services come out and how many of those Roon will support. It's not really about which streaming services Roon supports, it is which streaming services will work with Roon so that their catalog can interact with the Roon software so users see both their local library and the streaming service's library as one. ChrisG Bend, OR Link to comment
Daren F Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Does anyone know if Audirvana has to pay MQA for each core decode similar to Roon? Link to comment
Popular Post Kal Rubinson Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, R1200CL said: That’s just because there’s hardly any MCH DAC’s … In this context, that turns out to be advantageous. 🙂 lucretius and ChrisG 2 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
firedog Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 8 hours ago, lucretius said: I think Roon needs to support streaming services if it wants new or renewed subscriptions/customers. For Roon to cut Tidal loose at this point makes no sense. Let's see what new streaming services come out and how many of those Roon will support. Roon insists on having the streaming service appear totally integrated into it's UI. Understandable, since the UI is sort of the main selling point. This means the streaming service has to give up it's branding/look and UI, and has to allow Roon full access to it's database. So far only Tidal and Qobuz are willing. Amazon doesn't care. Roon said they didn't even respond to enquiries. Spotify will never do it - their UI is their money maker, and Roon isn't big enough to matter to them. Same for the others. Maybe in the future Roon will compromise with a special window within it's UI for one or more of the streaming services - but don't hold your breath. They seem to be doing quite well appealing to their audience with just Tidal and Qobuz. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, firedog said: Roon insists on having the streaming service appear totally integrated into it's UI. Understandable, since the UI is sort of the main selling point. This means the streaming service has to give up it's branding/look and UI, and has to allow Roon full access to it's database. So far only Tidal and Qobuz are willing. Amazon doesn't care. Roon said they didn't even respond to enquiries. Spotify will never do it - their UI is their money maker, and Roon isn't big enough to matter to them. Same for the others. Maybe in the future Roon will compromise with a special window within it's UI for one or more of the streaming services - but don't hold your breath. They seem to be doing quite well appealing to their audience with just Tidal and Qobuz. Roon's competitors need to put out a better product with a better UI. They need to connect to a better service than Tidal. And they certainly need to put out a better product than MQA, which is an easy task. Outstanding software connected to a prime service putting out High-Rez music would be the audiophile's dream. It would certainly outclass Roon supporting Tidal and MQA. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
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