bambadoo Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Seems like 2L is starting to only deliver in MQA now... 2 latest albums from the new webshop (that MQA/Roon guy helped with) What did Chris say earlier? "glory days of pure lossless pcm are over" The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 55 minutes ago, bambadoo said: Seems like 2L is starting to only deliver in MQA now... 2 latest albums from the new webshop (that MQA/Roon guy helped with) What did Chris say earlier? "glory days of pure lossless pcm are over" Download the multichannel tracks. 😉 Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
bambadoo Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just try https://shop.2l.no/collections/all/products/karin-rehnqvist-when-i-close-my-eyes https://shop.2l.no/collections/all/products/bjorn-kare-odde-snilla-patea Probably in better formats elsewhere... Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted May 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2021 Anyone remember all the folks claiming this would never happen? That we’d always have a choice? I guess the choice is to either accept the lossy tainted mQa files or avoid the music altogether. I wonder what kind of position a niche record label is in, if it now only offers mQa. Certainly not in a position to please consumers who don’t want mQa. Kind of reminds me of politicians doubling down on the big lie in order to at least get support from someone. I guess those who support the big mQa lie are better than no support at all for some labels. Ryan Berry, UkPhil, botrytis and 1 other 4 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
katools Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Boycott the labels, streaming services and artists that offer only mqa. Starved of cash they'll soon change their tune. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 4/27/2021 at 10:03 PM, Gus141 said: Bravo Chris. I don’t log in much anymore and post anything, but I still read AS daily. Thank you for not being afraid, even as a founder of the site, to express your well-informed opinion. Whether it’s MQA, Bluesound, Amazon Music HD, or about the summit-fi manufacturers, you say it like it is, or at least how you see it. Thanks for keeping it real. And your comment on Roon and MQA and possible relations with BS is something I’ve always wondered and quietly wished would be addressed here. To be honest, I’ve always wondered why @keenObserver didn’t include “Boycott Roon” in his “Boycott Warner, Boycott TIDAL” signature. I boycott Roon, and maybe if more people did, that would have a bigger impact on MQA/TIDAL’s success. Is there MQA without Tidal? Is there Tidal without Roon? Perhaps it is time to scrutinize Roon. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Is there MQA without Tidal? Is there Tidal without Roon? Perhaps it is time to scrutinize Roon. Why????? What do you expect to find? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, LarryMagoo said: Why????? What do you expect to find? Who knew you’d appear right when Roon was mentioned! lucretius 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post yahooboy Posted May 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2021 From 9to5Google: With Apple Music 3.6.0 Beta, rolling out now via the Google Play Store, we’ve found similar signs of high-quality audio streaming and downloading options coming to Apple Music for Android. As you’d expect, Apple includes a prominent warning of how much data and storage high-quality audio uses. Lossless audio files preserve every detail of the original file. Turning this on will consume significantly more data. Lossless audio files will use significantly more space on your device. 10 GB of space could store approximately: – 3000 songs at high quality – 1000 songs with lossless – 200 songs with hi-res lossless Lossless streaming will consume significantly more data. A 3-minute song will be approximately: – 1.5 MB with high efficiency- 6 MB with high quality at 256 kbps- 36 MB with lossless at 24-bit/48 kHz- 145 MB with hi-res lossless at 24-bit/192 kHzSupport varies and depends on song availability, network conditions, and connected speaker or headphone capability. With Spotify going lossless, this should kill off Tidal whatever that "format" they use is was called MikeyFresh, The Computer Audiophile and Currawong 2 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted May 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, yahooboy said: From 9to5Google: With Apple Music 3.6.0 Beta, rolling out now via the Google Play Store, we’ve found similar signs of high-quality audio streaming and downloading options coming to Apple Music for Android. As you’d expect, Apple includes a prominent warning of how much data and storage high-quality audio uses. Lossless audio files preserve every detail of the original file. Turning this on will consume significantly more data. Lossless audio files will use significantly more space on your device. 10 GB of space could store approximately: – 3000 songs at high quality – 1000 songs with lossless – 200 songs with hi-res lossless Lossless streaming will consume significantly more data. A 3-minute song will be approximately: – 1.5 MB with high efficiency- 6 MB with high quality at 256 kbps- 36 MB with lossless at 24-bit/48 kHz- 145 MB with hi-res lossless at 24-bit/192 kHzSupport varies and depends on song availability, network conditions, and connected speaker or headphone capability. With Spotify going lossless, this should kill off Tidal whatever that "format" they use is was called If we have Qobuz, Amazon HD, Deezer lossless, Spotify lossless, and Apple HiFi, I can’t see a reason why anyone would use Tidal. Nothing beats paying more and getting less. MikeyFresh, UkPhil, lamode and 1 other 4 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: If we have Qobuz, Amazon HD, Deezer lossless, Spotify lossless, and Apple HiFi, I can’t see a reason why anyone would use Tidal. Nothing beats paying more and getting less. Roon has been promoting artists in their Instagram stories as well as their feed, and it strongly favors TIDAL. No electron left behind. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Roon has been promoting artists in their Instagram stories as well as their feed, and it strongly favors TIDAL. Of course. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Currawong Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 Audirvana is releasing a Roon competitor, Audirvana Studio too, the ad of which is below my reply box as I type this. But Apple not only having lossless available, but high-res is fantastic. If anything could kill off MQA, or reduce it to insignificance, it'd be that. The Computer Audiophile, MikeyFresh, yahooboy and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Currawong said: Audirvana is releasing a Roon competitor, Audirvana Studio too, the ad of which is below my reply box as I type this. But Apple not only having lossless available, but high-res is fantastic. If anything could kill off MQA, or reduce it to insignificance, it'd be that. I read earlier today that the 18th is the alleged date for the announcement from Apple. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/14/airpods-hifi-apple-music-launch-may-18/ MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post katools Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 With a bit of luck Apple and Spotify going lossless puts tidal out of business and causes Roon to lose a very substantial proportion of their subscriber base, forcing them to rethink their customer engagement and offering. They definitely are mqa supporters ... not too long ago their coo was pushing a thread along trying to convince people of its merits, deleting dissenting posts on grounds they were 'off topic' (meaning weren't following his desired narrative). Recently there were posts requesting that Roon stop selecting mqa content over high res pcm when they exist locally or on Qobuz. No coincidence their software will choose to play the charlatan's work. Hiker, lamode and MikeyFresh 2 1 Link to comment
Stereo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 hours ago, katools said: Boycott the labels, streaming services and artists that offer only mqa. Starved of cash they'll soon change their tune. You also need to boycott the manufacturers that incorporate MQA as well! Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 55 minutes ago, katools said: Recently there were posts requesting that Roon stop selecting mqa content over high res pcm when they exist locally or on Qobuz. No coincidence their software will choose to play the charlatan's work. Don't subscribe to Tidal and Roon won't suggest it... It seems an easy fix that none of those people seem to understand. Thuaveta, ChrisG, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 4 No electron left behind. Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 hours ago, katools said: With a bit of luck Apple and Spotify going lossless puts tidal out of business and causes Roon to lose a very substantial proportion of their subscriber base, forcing them to rethink their customer engagement and offering. They definitely are mqa supporters ... not too long ago their coo was pushing a thread along trying to convince people of its merits, deleting dissenting posts on grounds they were 'off topic' (meaning weren't following his desired narrative). Recently there were posts requesting that Roon stop selecting mqa content over high res pcm when they exist locally or on Qobuz. No coincidence their software will choose to play the charlatan's work. And Jud thinks I’m posting propaganda? ;-) Link to comment
katools Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, LarryMagoo said: And Jud thinks I’m posting propaganda? ;-) Care to elaborate or just being passive aggressive? Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 10 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Anyone remember all the folks claiming this would never happen? That we’d always have a choice? I guess the choice is to either accept the lossy tainted mQa files or avoid the music altogether. I wonder what kind of position a niche record label is in, if it now only offers mQa. Certainly not in a position to please consumers who don’t want mQa. Kind of reminds me of politicians doubling down on the big lie in order to at least get support from someone. I guess those who support the big mQa lie are better than no support at all for some labels. Raises a suspicion that they are getting a kickback to do this. It's good PR for MQA, and 2L is small enough that it wouldn't take much to convince them. Especially as they claim MQA improves on their masters. MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Archimago Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 11 hours ago, bambadoo said: Just try https://shop.2l.no/collections/all/products/karin-rehnqvist-when-i-close-my-eyes https://shop.2l.no/collections/all/products/bjorn-kare-odde-snilla-patea Probably in better formats elsewhere... Yuck. Shame on you 2L / Morten Lindberg. At least offer the 24/96 for some hi-res legitimacy. IMO doesn't speak well of Lindberg to be so wrapped up in this scheme not only from the start but persisting to this day and even further limiting his consumers' options. MikeyFresh 1 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post lamode Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 It's time to fight back instead of grumbling to ourselves! To save everyone a lot of time, I have tried to compile a list of hardware/software companies which are building products with MQA support (according to the MQA website). Please join me in contacting them all. Be respectful but point out that MQA is a based on false claims, it is not in their interest to support a fraud (it also raises the price of their product), and it is also not in the interest of the consumer. The only winner here is MQA itself. Where possible, I have included the email address for all companies, otherwise I have tried to include a contact form. Social media can be a better (more public) option so I have included Twitter accounts (where available) or, failing that, I have tried to include a Facebook page. Meridian has been omitted for obvious reasons. (Note that this is NOT doxxing as these are companies, not individuals, and all contact details have been made publicly available). Good luck! 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protected] https://twitter.com/caryaudio Cayin https://en.cayin.cn/ [email protected] Clarus https://www.claruscable.com/ [email protected] Cocktail Audio https://www.cocktailaudio.com/home/ [email protected] Control4 https://www.control4.com/ https://www.control4.com/company/contact-us https://twitter.com/control4 dCS https://www.dcsltd.co.uk/ [email protected] https://twitter.com/dCSonlythemusic Earmen https://earmen-shop.com/ https://earmen-shop.com/pages/contact-us https://twitter.com/ear_men EMM Labs https://www.emmlabs.com/ [email protected] https://twitter.com/emmlabs Esoteric https://www.esoteric-highend.eu https://www.facebook.com/esoteric.company/ Exasound https://exasound.com [email protected] https://twitter.com/exaSound FiiO https://www.fiio.com/ [email protected] JBL Synthesis https://www.jblsynthesis.com/ https://www.jblsynthesis.com/support/contact.html https://www.facebook.com/JBLsynthesis/ Gustard http://www.gustard.cn/ [email protected] Hegel https://www.hegel.com/ 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protected] https://twitter.com/zidootv Zorloo https://www.zorloo.com/ [email protected] https://twitter.com/zorlooaudio If you are still keen to do more, there are other forums where the message can be spread :) The Computer Audiophile, Stereo, MikeyFresh and 2 others 2 3 Volumio (with PEQ) on RPi4, Khadas Tone Board DAC, Luxman L-230 amp, Rega RS5 speakers Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 Gee, while music is a matter of personal taste, boycotting 2L is not a hardship for me as I have no interest in their stuff, mQa or not. lucretius and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
Popular Post LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 8 hours ago, katools said: Care to elaborate or just being passive aggressive? Your statements about Roon is almost 100% Bull$hit....what do you know....are you are subscriber? I have a been Lifetime member for almost 5 years. It simply is not how you portray Roon! PERIOD!! Qobuz works great and I have NEVER been bothered by Tidal because I have never used them! ChrisG and R1200CL 2 Link to comment
LarryMagoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I would never touch a piece of PS Audio kit ever simply due to their MQA creation! Link to comment
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