botrytis Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, kumakuma said: From the man: Perhaps driving Lyft is the 21st Century version of working at the Patent Office in Bern. You must tell me your favorite coffee and coffee brewing method. I think I have almost every coffee maker known :D Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, botrytis said: You must tell me your favorite coffee and coffee brewing method. I think I have almost every coffee maker known :D My current favorite coffee is an Ethiopian Yirgacheffe medium dark roast, ground relatively fine. I usually do a pour over using a Kalita Wave 185 Wave stainless steel dripper into a Hario V60 double-walled 15oz coffee glass. How about you? Don Blas De Lezo, Currawong and troubleahead 2 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
MarkusBarkus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 ...you prefer the Kalita over the Hario dripper? I mean, while listening to non-MQA music in the morning. 😉 troubleahead 1 I'm MarkusBarkus and I approve this post. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, MarkusBarkus said: ...you prefer the Kalita over the Hario dripper? I mean, while listening to non-MQA music in the morning. 😉 I haven't tried the Hario V60 yet. My understanding is that good technique is needed to get optimal results while the Kalita is more forgiving. I'm planning to pick up the copper version of the Wave 185 next time I'm in Japan: Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, kumakuma said: My current favorite coffee is an Ethiopian Yirgacheffe medium dark roast, ground relatively fine. I usually do a pour over using a Kalita Wave 185 Wave stainless steel dripper into a Hario V60 double-walled 15oz coffee glass. How about you? MQA could pack your coffee in a smaller bag and add some dirt to it when you open it up. If you pay for a certified coffee machine, the coffee company and MQA ltd will get paid, and you’ll get slightly less dirt in your coffee. ssh, Currawong and Elberoth 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I have a vacuum pot, auto drip, an original 1930's stove top expresso maker, a press pot, and a few others. My favorite coffee is from San Juan coffee roasters in Washington State - New Guinea “Arona” in our auto drip easy peasy and tasty :D kumakuma 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, MarkusBarkus said: ...you prefer the Kalita over the Hario dripper? I mean, while listening to non-MQA music in the morning. 😉 MQA is the coffee equivalent of decaf... troubleahead and The Computer Audiophile 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post botrytis Posted April 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, kumakuma said: MQA is the coffee equivalent of decaf... No MQA is chicory coffee :D Not even real coffee. Elberoth, kumakuma and Currawong 3 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
MarkusBarkus Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, botrytis said: No MQA is chicory coffee :D Not even real coffee. ...more like the beans the civets crap out. I'm MarkusBarkus and I approve this post. Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, MarkusBarkus said: ...more like the beans the civets crap out. Well, the cost is the same..... and the idea behind how it is made is also.... kumakuma 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
kumakuma Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On further research, the MQA = decaf analogy seems apt as there is a company that owns the Swiss Water trademark and decaffeination process and charges a "toll" for removing the caffeine from beans: https://www.swisswater.com They even call it a toll: Quote We also decaffeinate coffee owned by our customers for a processing fee under toll arrangements (our “toll”business). The value of the coffee processed under toll arrangements does not form part of our inventory, our revenue or our cost of sales. Revenue from toll arrangements consists entirely of processing revenue. https://investor.swisswater.com/drive/uploads/2019/05/SWp-Q1-2019-MDA-clean-FINAL-2019-05-07.pdf Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
FredericV Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Funny these coffee analogies. My family had a coffee roasting company which still carries the name: http://www.koffiesvandenpoel.be/ Ground coffee is like what the lossy format does to music: by already grinding (folding) the beans into a more dense powder, the taste is completely different, and the original taste from freshly grinded beans is never coming back. Ground coffee is for sure lossy: grinding coffee beans reduces their surface area, which causes the beans to lose their flavor more rapidly than they would if they were left as whole beans. Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
Cebolla Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 1:46 PM, GoldenOne said: That's what I thought too. And it certainly used to be the case. Unfortunately now though it seems that the 16/44 file is just the MQA file but without the client unfolding it. Its bitperfect to the 'masters' version and this was the case for any other track I've tried. Ive actually stopped my subscription because of this I pay tidal for lossless. If they no longer offer that for any track marked master, I don't want tidal. Ill double check with some other files that I know were definitely from 48/96khz masters as I can't imagine those would be the same I think we are at cross purposes here. Just to be clear - on a TIDAL HiFi quality connection, ie, not a TIDAL Masters quality connection: - selecting lossless CD resolution (16bit/44.1kHz) non-MQA tracks for streaming (unfortunately TIDAL are currently actively getting rid of those in favour of lossy MQA-CD ones, so not many left to select), TIDAL's online server provides those unscathed; - selecting lossy MQA-CD (ie, MQA encoded to be distributed with a resolution of 16bit/44.1kHz.) tracks for streaming, TIDAL's online server provides those unscathed; - selecting lossy hi-res MQA (ie, MQA encoded to be distributed with a resolution of either 24bit/44.1kHz or 24bit/48kHz) tracks for streaming, TIDAL's online server provides a corrupted bit depth reduced CD-res version of those tracks. So the purpose of the TIDAL HiFi quality connection is not for providing lossless CD resolution non-MQA sourced tracks in place of any lossy MQA tracks that may have been selected, though TIDAL definitely don't make this clear. As far as I'm aware this has always been the case and is not something that's come about through a recent change as you appear to imply. Certainly I've read posts mentioning evidence of this going back at least 3 years, eg: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/app-5-0-v3-5-0-1-bubbleupnp-upnp-dlna-chromecast-control-point-and-renderer.1118891/page-649#post-74757085 Your observation of client software (Roon, presumably) not decoding to the MQA Core signal aka 'first unfold' (assuming any corruption permits this) or even flagging any of the MQA tracks coming through on the TIDAL HiFi quality connection only adds to the confusion. We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
Elberoth Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 20 hours ago, GoldenOne said: I've made a long video exploring MQA using files I had published, in MQA, on Tidal. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. I can see MQA imploding in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... Adam PC: custom Roon server with Pink Faun Ultra OCXO USB card Digital: Lampizator Horizon DAC Amp: Dan D'Agostino Momentum Stereo Speakers: Magcio M3 Link to comment
bambadoo Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Can anyone send information to https://www.raeng.org.uk/ with regards to the recent video and some of the other quality analyzes done? Would be great if that medal/prize would be revoked.... https://www.raeng.org.uk/grants-prizes/prizes/prizes-and-medals/individual-medals/the-prince-philip-medal Link to comment
Popular Post Josh Mound Posted April 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2021 @GoldenOne is doing the lord’s work here. I see he’s taken his evidence over to ASR, too, where Amir has previously defended MQA. I’ll summarize the tenor of the conversation with a meme: The Computer Audiophile, Don Blas De Lezo, Confused and 3 others 4 2 🔊 The Best Version Of... 🎧 Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I was on HiFiplus website this morning and now cannot get to their website. Anyone else having issues? I am wondering if MQA had something to do with it... Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted April 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, botrytis said: I was on HiFiplus website this morning and now cannot get to their website. Anyone else having issues? I am wondering if MQA had something to do with it... You need the html decoder. troubleahead, MikeyFresh, botrytis and 3 others 1 5 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 This is what I get from going to hifiiplus . Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, botrytis said: This is what I get from going to hifiiplus . yeah, HF+ is routed through cloudflare, but the HF+ server isn't responding. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Exactly, that is my point. Their whole website is down. Now I am not a Conspiracy theorist but it seems to me, the discussion on that site about HDTracks not carrying MQA anymore might have hit them hard. Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
botrytis Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, DuckToller said: Exactly. I was able to see it this morning and then whammo, it was gone. Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
DuckToller Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Another server park / data centre on fire ? botrytis 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Ryan Berry Posted April 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 5:53 PM, GoldenOne said: Just as an update, MQA did respond to my email (AFTER the posts about censorship were made here and elsewhere). Most of the content in their response was either marketing talk, or easily counter-able (or outright easily disproven) claims. My video is done, including my response to their response. Its up on my patreon atm as I put things on there early but it'll be up on here as well as a written version very soon. I'm late to the show here, but I wanted to thank GoldenOne for putting the video together. As a manufacturer, we we really off put by how difficult it was to really get to compare the technologies before having to sign on a line and had to arrange for our own listening tests using some masters we had access to. Suffice it to say for that and several other reasons, along with Charley's already pretty outspoken issues with the technology, we never had much desire to come back to the table. I can't fault manufacturers that decided to support the technology for whatever reason. There's some places in a listening test that makes you say, "Oh, I get why people like that," but we found that overall, the bad things it seemed to do to audio tracks outweighed the few good, at least to our ears. We also know that a GOOD Minimum Phase filter to us is preferable, so I can see understand people hearing an improvement designs that may not have it as an option. However, more than anything, I understand the pressure one can get from the market. There was a time we couldn't go a week without someone asking if we had or were going to support MQA, and there was a few conversations about entertaining the idea of throwing it on just to say we support it. Ultimately, we decided to hold out and those phone calls eventually faded away to maybe one or two a year. The idea of losing sales can always make it tough to stick to a decision. I know Charley would have loved watching your video. Again, thanks for your work on it. Maybe they'll decide to take a look at what you've done and find a way to improve what their process (if it can be). You never know. The Computer Audiophile, Currawong, botrytis and 8 others 8 1 1 1 President Ayre Acoustics, Inc. Link to comment
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