FredericV Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Frederic, this does not exist. MQA never fully restores what we had before, unless you mean that you get the normal MQA again. Point is : nothing has changed that I can see or notice. I also don't need to pay extra for MQA or whatever suggestions are going on about that. At least not today ... What has changed indeed is the disappearing normal RedBook files, them being replaced by MQA only. Whether the RedBooks are really not there any more is something else (I could check). Peter Correct, anything from Warner and the original redbook version is most likely gone forever on Tidal. Will this become the new normal? Redbook distancing ... Designer of the 432 EVO music server and Linux specialist Discoverer of the independent open source sox based mqa playback method with optional one cycle postringing. Link to comment
botrytis Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 13 hours ago, fas42 said: I'm not disturbed at what might happen ... there are always old CDs around of original masterings to call on; or, just throw a bit of software at a mastering you don't like, to 'fix it' - I do my thing, John does his; there will always be people who will work out a way of reversing annoying damage - in the age where audio is just data, a sufficiently smart algorithm will undo or cancel out silliness in masterings, etc. I am worried as MQA screws up even more what they did to those CD's. You can't undo MQA - it is lossy, meaning parts are thrown away and you can never get them back. Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
botrytis Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 12 hours ago, sandyk said: The music consumer is not protesting loudly. The average music consumer does not know what is going on, only a small % of music lovers know what is going on, and those that are aware of it other than people like us have been conned into believing that it's an improvement. An even greater sin was the Loudness wars, and people like us complained then, but they ignored us then, just like before that most people accepted MegaPoop3 and every other lossy format including low bitrate .aac such as <128kb/s from YouTube, and even lower from digital radio. They don't know yet. As younger people listen to headphones and spend more on this hobby, it will come down to what sounds the best. MQA is an improvement over nothing. It is based on lies and smoke and mirrors. MikeyFresh 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Is this MQA Tax a new phenomenon ? AFAIK there is no such thing as an "MQA Tax". Or is there ? 41 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Frederic, this does not exist. MQA never fully restores what we had before, unless you mean that you get the normal MQA again. Point is : nothing has changed that I can see or notice. I also don't need to pay extra for MQA or whatever suggestions are going on about that. At least not today ... What has changed indeed is the disappearing normal RedBook files, them being replaced by MQA only. Whether the RedBooks are really not there any more is something else (I could check). Peter Trust me Peter. Use Tidal’s newest API and you won’t get MQA content unless you have certified (aka taxed) components or software. This includes D to D converters that have nothing to do with MQA. botrytis and PeterSt 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post sphinxsix Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 11 hours ago, UkPhil said: God forbid we get MQA master cut vinyl too That will in both cases sound shitty but slightly less shitty when played by MQA taxed cartridge.. BTW some MQA video equivalent.? I think some movies deserve deblurring.. and some extra tax of course.. The Computer Audiophile, lucretius and UkPhil 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 (from Tidal) OK, this is what happened: Apologies for the layout. Also don't mind the selected tracks here and there. The first two you see (also look in the headers) today are MQA. They compare with the first two you see on the second line. Mind the MQA Album ID (71382919). This album ID did not change. The content DID change (I looked into the files) and is now probably MQA indeed. Whether the album with ID ending at 19 is the same as the one ending at 25, I did not check. However, The MQA versions now exists two times (notice this is a double album, each volume separately shown here). So their batch run did not take into account the already existing ones (for 44.1 which there all are, at least) and indeed overwrote the normal CD versions with MQA versions. This is how it was: Cebolla and UkPhil 1 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post UkPhil Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, sphinxsix said: That will in both cases sound shitty but slightly less shitty when played by MQA taxed cartridge.. BTW some MQA video equivalent.? I think some movies deserve deblurring.. and some extra tax of course.. A new strap line for future “welcome to the shit-show marketing play. Better sound (and vision) through confusion The MQA way.” MikeyFresh and sphinxsix 2 Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 So even if you had stored the ID in your database, you STILL get MQA a next time you play the very same album (ID). Although it is obvious, I just checked it and sadly it is so. But what is to gain with this ? extra subscriptions ? (like pay MQA tax eventually ?) No. This will STOP all subscriptions. ... But this has been stipulated before ... botrytis, UkPhil and MikeyFresh 3 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
UkPhil Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, PeterSt said: (from Tidal) OK, this is what happened: Apologies for the layout. Also don't mind the selected tracks here and there. The first two you see (also look in the headers) today are MQA. They compare with the first two you see on the second line. Mind the MQA Album ID (71382919). This album ID did not change. The content DID change (I looked into the files) and is now probably MQA indeed. Whether the album with ID ending at 19 is the same as the one ending at 25, I did not check. However, The MQA versions now exists two times (notice this is a double album, each volume separately shown here). So their batch run did not take into account the already existing ones (for 44.1 which there all are, at least) and indeed overwrote the normal CD versions with MQA versions. This is how it was: MQA by stealth, this is shocking not even giving consumers choice, my fear is these files are now stored ready to shift into other platforms. If one of the lossy companies give into them if could have consequences in the future of PCM. botrytis 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 If MQA were truly a good thing for consumers, there would be press releases saying that Tidal has removed the “terrible” lossless CD quality versions in favor of MQA. Instead it’s a switch behind the curtain. MikeyFresh, lucretius and botrytis 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: there would be press releases saying that Tidal has removed the “terrible” lossless CD quality versions in favor of MQA Did you already read the new Stereophile ? Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (it would be weak to mention TAS) MikeyFresh 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The only way to hinder any MQA take over is bad publicity for record labels and fear of piracy. Record labels have always been in the driver’s seat, enabled by MQA Ltd. Also, give a big thanks to all those individuals at MQA and the old guard press for ushering in the era of zero consumer choice. They lined their pockets, everyone else be damned. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, PeterSt said: Did you already read the new Stereophile ? Are you kidding me? I haven’t read that in years. What does it say? lucretius, MikeyFresh and sphinxsix 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Racerxnet Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The cheerleaders for MQA will let the 2 ton elephant in the room step on them before realizing it's to late to make simple choices/changes. MAK The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Are you kidding me? Yes, sorry. lucretius, sphinxsix and MikeyFresh 3 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 It is worse, somehow. Look what I found now: So the first one is what I have on file, and how it was, say 6 months back. Original RedBook at 16 bits. The second one is the version (album ID ends at 19) which replaced that first shown version. MQA at 16 bits. ... And the third version is the MQA version is how it probably was from the start, but which I can not check (did not have that in my database). It is 24 bits as should. Do notice that all versions are 44100 and that the 88200 you see is my own upsampling (so ignore that please). So the new bad thing is: The original RedBook has been changed into an MQA version (the original has disappeared) and there's not even the space for 24 bits, whatever that does with 44.1 albums. It could be smart ? (ahum) - this now takes less bits to download. Keep in mind that the file (wave / PCM) data is very different anyway. UkPhil and botrytis 1 1 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 MQA's attempt to create demand for its product failed when too many people looked behind the curtain. Too many people realized that the MQA BS was in fact BS. The demand for the product was not there. In most situations MQA would have died and been relegated to history. But the people behind MQA were not going to let the music consumer tell them what they wanted. The people behind MQA were going to tell the music consumer what they were going to get. They were going to tell the Kaffir that they were going to get contaminated brandy. And so, Warner and MQA are going to jam MQA down the music consumers throats. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 Watch the RMAF 2018 MQA video with Chris. Those are the MQA people. That's the MQA attitude. MikeyFresh and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Watch the RMAF 2018 MQA video with Chris. I watched it live. Did they blur the video afterwards ? sphinxsix, The Computer Audiophile, MikeyFresh and 1 other 4 Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Popular Post UkPhil Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Watch the RMAF 2018 MQA video with Chris. Those are the MQA people. That's the MQA attitude. I was attracted in what MQA had to offer in early 2018 but that video and this forum opened my eyes to that it wasn’t anything but a power grab for the industry to pull back control and increase revenue for all concerned with no choice for the consumer, let’s hope this is the last ditch attempt but I think we are in for a rocky ride, PCM may become a precious commodity botrytis and MikeyFresh 2 Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, PeterSt said: I watched it live. Did they blur the video afterwards ? You must blur first to deblur it later.. As we all know, they've done already a lot of blurring, a lot.. Now it's deblurring time and we can see clearly (no need for MQA hardware or software) who they are and what they stand for.. BTW, speaking of 'freedom of choice' - isn't the whole situation with More Questionable Audio a little bit like.. Link to comment
PeterSt Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I lost the connection. Is that Putin raging at Meridian ? Or does it go via Johnson ? All high-flying. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Seems like Tidal is MQA's House Streamer. And Jay Z is MQA's House Distributor. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Does this Peter Veth have a website? Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
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