Popular Post firedog Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, ARQuint said: As you've found out in short order, anyone with anything the least bit positive to say about MQA, or even an open-minded inquisitiveness, is either dumb, gullible, too inexperienced with such matters, or somehow in on the scam— and endures the wrath of whoever constitutes the mob at the moment. CC would rather there be a continuing discussion without undue ire; that would more effectively advance the cause. He has pointed out repeatedly that this is a hobby, for crying out loud, and there's room for differing points of view. Another straw man argument. No one here cares if someone says they like the sound of MQA. We do care when "points of view" are reguritations of MQA marketing speak. We rightfully have no patience here for people who just come to repeat the MQA falsehoods. askat1988, maxijazz, botrytis and 3 others 4 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ARQuint said: it's, in my view, uncertain commercial future I don't consider the technology to be remotely any sort of existential threat to the audiophile pursuit. If it only stays at Tidal that's certainly true. But a few years ago everyone "in the industry" scoffed when we talked about how MQA versions of files would replace the non-MQA versions and the non-MQA versions would stop being available. "That will never happen", we were told. But that's now happening at Tidal - for thousands of titles. So why should anyone believe that what's happening at Tidal isn't a precursor of something much broader to come? The labels can certainly decide only to distribute MQA fake 'hi-res" and fake "CD" versions of as much material as they want to. Your view that there isn't even a remote threat just doesn't stand up to a reality test under today's circumstaces. The one thing we do know for sure from the history of the recording industry is that quality and what's good for the consumer mean nothing to the big record labels, and they will gladly screw around with both if they see profit involved. Rexp, botrytis, MikeyFresh and 2 others 4 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
ARQuint Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, firedog said: Another straw man argument. No one here cares if someone says they like the sound of MQA. We do care when "points of view" are reguritations of MQA marketing speak. We rightfully have no patience here for people who just come to repeat the MQA falsehoods. Honest question, as it relates to my civility thing: Do you think that Alex came to this thread "to repeat the MQA falsehoods?" I got the sense he had his own point of view (whether or not you feel it's misguided) and was expecting dialog, not a fusillade. Not every one who espouses something less than total condemnation of MQA is Peter Veth! Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, ARQuint said: Honest question, as it relates to my civility thing: Do you think that Alex came to this thread "to repeat the MQA falsehoods?" I got the sense he had his own point of view (whether or not you feel it's misguided) and was expecting dialog, not a fusillade. Not every one who espouses something less than total condemnation of MQA is Peter Veth! Honest question. Do you think that Alex's IP address was ever seen here before? daverich4 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
ARQuint Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, KeenObserver said: Mr. Quint. It seems that you are bothered by perception of incivility on this thread. Since you are not an advocate one way or the other, would it not make sense to simply ignore this thread? I was trying to be as delicate and civil as possible. If you find that it is still uncivil, please let me know. Very civil. Nicely done, sir. There wasn't much happening on this thread for quite a few months. I kept checking in occasionally - among other things, I'm friendly with the guy who started "Vaporware" and we text every few months, generally about non-audio things. There was a flare of activity when Stuart got the award from the Royal Academy of Engineering but not much else. My point is that Alex, the newbie, came to the discussion as an innocent and didn't deserve to be savaged. He evidently agrees with your suggestion that those of his sort not come back. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
ARQuint Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, KeenObserver said: Honest question. Do you think that Alex's IP address was ever seen here before? I don't know. Do you? On this thread? That would be interesting. If so, he certainly would have known what to expect! Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, ARQuint said: I don't know. Do you? On this thread? That would be interesting. If so, he certainly would have known what to expect! I don't know. It was just an honest question. And since when did I suggest that those of his sort not come back? Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, ARQuint said: My point is that Alex, the newbie, came to the discussion as an innocent and didn't deserve to be savaged. He evidently agrees with your suggestion that those of his sort not come back. I just re-read my response to "Alex", and he was not savaged in any way, nor was it an uncivil response. I said "I guess you missed the part about...", and "please don't gloss over..." I then asked him 3 questions at the end of my post, so a perfect chance at the dialog you said he was seeking. Where is the "savaging" there ARQ? Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 hours ago, MikeyFresh said: More fake news Andy, and you've just doubled down on Alex's attempt to paint me as angry No, you were just plain bloody rude, and non representative of the vast numbers of A.S. members who do not need to go in boots and all ,to attack a new member, or for that matter, Andy Quint, and get their POV across. We get it that you don't like MQA any more than most of us, including myself do. Have you by any chance been locked up for weeks due to Covid 19 ? yahooboy, daverich4 and MikeyFresh 1 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 My God! They're being extremely uncivil on the cables thread! You should go there immediately and intervene! daverich4 and MikeyFresh 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: No, you were just plain bloody rude In my post that precedes yours, I stated there was no "savaging" as ARQ had put it, and I stand by that. As for your take that I was "plain bloody rude", you are of course entitled to that opinion, and I know it's not worth any time asking you to be more specific about which part of my post was rude, so I'll drop it except to say refer to my post above, I link to the original reply, and tell me where this plain bloody rudeness is Alex. I believe you are jumping to the defense of ARQ, and or playing the civility card once again more than anything else. I will agree to disagree there as that's your opinion. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, sandyk said: No, you were just plain bloody rude You lecturing others about being rude gets my nod for the most ironic post of 2020... botrytis, JoeWhip, MikeyFresh and 4 others 3 4 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said: I believe you are jumping to the defense of ARQ, and or playing the civility card once again more than anything else. I will agree to disagree there as that's your opinion. The way I read your reply to A..R.Quint is a borderline personal attack on his integrity, and listening capabilities and is skirting very close to Personal Attacks which are not permitted in this forum, and I am not surprised that they get the tick of approval from Ralf11's buddy Kumakuma. Perhaps we can now get back to finding fault with MQA, instead of other members ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
ARQuint Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: I don't know. It was just an honest question. And since when did I suggest that those of his sort not come back? Well, you did (politely, I should add) ask why I don't just ignore this thread. That Vaporware is kind of an echo chamber for a group of people that feel pretty much exactly the same way. Not unreasonable to conclude that Alrx drew that conclusion and decided to depart. Again, that's assuming he didn't know what Vaporware was about. I don't like trolling from either side of the aisle... Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, ARQuint said: Well, you did (politely, I should add) ask why I don't just ignore this thread. That Vaporware is kind of an echo chamber for a group of people that feel pretty much exactly the same way. Not unreasonable to conclude that Alrx drew that conclusion and decided to depart. Again, that's assuming he didn't know what Vaporware was about. I don't like trolling from either side of the aisle... Unfortunately it is no longer just Vaporware . It is an attempt by the Recording Companies to extort more money from Audiophiles under false pretences, as well as protect " the Family Jewels. " Before much longer, it appears likely that we many no longer be able to purchase genuine High Resolution material from them, ONLY fatally flawed MQA . botrytis and yahooboy 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
ARQuint Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said: I just re-read my response to "Alex", and he was not savaged in any way, nor was it an uncivil response. I said "I guess you missed the part about...", and "please don't gloss over..." I then asked him 3 questions at the end of my post, so a perfect chance at the dialog you said he was seeking. Where is the "savaging" there ARQ? He definitely sensed an angry tone, as I noted before - even if you know you were more exasperated than angry. No, you personally didn't savage the poster—but it did seem he was being ganged up on. Now, as I just noted in a response to K.O. if the poster actually did know what Vaporware has been about for the last 4 years...well, he should have known what he was getting in for. Trolling is trolling. sandyk 1 Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, ARQuint said: Well, you did (politely, I should add) ask why I don't just ignore this thread. That Vaporware is kind of an echo chamber for a group of people that feel pretty much exactly the same way. Not unreasonable to conclude that Alrx drew that conclusion and decided to depart. Again, that's assuming he didn't know what Vaporware was about. I don't like trolling from either side of the aisle... So you are just projecting things onto me. Like when you suggested that I was Brinkmanship and should be banned. How civil. MikeyFresh and botrytis 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Now that we've been diverted to this extent, do you think Warner is going to try and force the other streaming services to go MQA? Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, ARQuint said: He definitely sensed an angry tone, as I noted before - even if you know you were more exasperated than angry. No, you personally didn't savage the poster—but it did seem he was being ganged up on. Now, as I just noted in a response to K.O. if the poster actually did know what Vaporware has been about for the last 4 years...well, he should have known what he was getting in for. Trolling is trolling. If "I guess you missed the part about...", and " please don't gloss over..." followed by 3 questions posed in my response to newbie Alex constitutes an angry tone, then I guess I need finishing school or something. Thank you for confirming that I didn't actually savage poor Alex, I don't think any other members here did either. Please accept my apology if my responses to you constitute a savaging as SandyK has indicated, he's rushed to your defense and accused me of being in violation of site rules! Congrats then, another successful swoop in drive-by in order to deflect and change the narrative to civility or lack thereof. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: So you are just projecting things onto me. Like when you suggested that I was Brinkmanship and should be banned. How civil. I remember that, but I never understood at all where that accusation came from. 7 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Now that we've been diverted to this extent, do you think Warner is going to try and force the other streaming services to go MQA? Yes, although unclear if they will just do it by quietly shifting to the one deliverable that being MQA, or if they will force feed it more overtly. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2020 The golden age of pure PCM is over. botrytis, oneway23, sandyk and 1 other 4 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 35 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: The golden age of pure PCM is over. You really seem to know something. Is it really that bad.? Will PCM and DSD files on private HDs become illegal..? Link to comment
botrytis Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 hours ago, ARQuint said: There's no rage, trust me, and nothing personal either, you made that up. This is about facts vs. fiction with regard to bogus claims about the supposed efficacy of MQA, and more importantly, the threat to consumers and indeed the entire music distribution system that it represents. Nice try again, but stick to the facts instead of trying to create a false representation of me or indeed this entire site. You've thus far made a pretty lame attempt. *************************************** No, Alex, you're correct—he's angry, all right. Any non-aligned party (a non-audiophile) could readily glean that from his responses. " Angry" has been the default mode of expression on this thread for 800-plus pages now. With dashes of contempt, dismissiveness, disrespect, paranoia, preening sarcasm, and wild accusations thrown in for good measure. Things had gone kind of quiet for months when a few of most vitriolic anti-MQA partisans began to cross lines that weren't acceptable to the owner of this site—they left, slamming the door behind them, before they could potentially be booted. So these guys who are still at it here are sure happy to have you show up. The thing is that Chris Connaker feels as strongly as anyone else who suspects either the technology or MQA's business model as being fraudulent, yet he manages not to foam at the mouth. His criticisms are certainly pointed but he doesn't resort to hysteria or personal insult. As you've found out in short order, anyone with anything the least bit positive to say about MQA, or even an open-minded inquisitiveness, is either dumb, gullible, too inexperienced with such matters, or somehow in on the scam— and endures the wrath of whoever constitutes the mob at the moment. CC would rather there be a continuing discussion without undue ire; that would more effectively advance the cause. He has pointed out repeatedly that this is a hobby, for crying out loud, and there's room for differing points of view. Andrew Quint TAS Sorry, But, have you looked at the science or just spouting the line that comes from your masters? It has been proven SCIENTIFICALLY that MQA is a load of HOGWASH. The only people gleaning from MQA are MQA and the labels, the consumer loses. Why? It takes away OUR CHOICE. Choice is what makes a free market work. Shoving nonsense down our throats does not. This forum is full of more knowledgeable people than me and they say it is nonsense. Prove them wrong. I mean when Chris did his talk at RMAF, he gave MQA a chance to rebut and actually have a conversation. Instead they were all about character assassination and drivel. If I would have given that talk, I would have asked those people to be thrown out on their ears but Chris is a gentleman, I am not. If AND WHEN MQA DOES A DOUBLE BLIND STUDY, without their spiels before the track and just plays tracks as comparison - HD track versus HD track and volume matched, then I might almost try it but you know the old saying, ' Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me'. MikeyFresh 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
sandyk Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: The golden age of pure PCM is over. At least from the major players it would appear. The attached link is from Linn, the parent company of Linn Records https://www.linn.co.uk/blog/mqa-is-bad-for-music How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
botrytis Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Is MQA DOA? - Benchmark Media Systems Schiit Audio: Audio Products Designed and Built in California Archimago's Musings: "MQA: A review of controversies, concerns, and cautions" week... There are more than that.... Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
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