daverich4 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, firedog said: I respectfully suggest that Chris take this one up. He will be able to write it up cogently in a jiffy, and I'd guess coming from him it will have a bit more impact. The rest of us don't run highly visible audiophile websites... It’s already been discussed over there. Solution is a simple change in Roon settings. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, firedog said: The thing to do would be to take it up at the Roon forum. I don't think they'd be adverse to solving this issue if a solution is available. I have. Waiting for a reply. oneway23 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, daverich4 said: Solution is a simple change in Roon settings. Unfortunately this isn't the case. MikeyFresh 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
daverich4 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I'm unable to stream Bowie's Space Oddity from Tidal through Roon in any other than MQA. All versions from 16/44.1 through the fake 24/192 are all MQA. I have the highest level set to HiFI, not MQA in the Roon settings for Tidal as well. It works this way whether I stream to an MQA enabled device or not. Through the Tidal app on macOS I can only see the MQA version, but when I click play Tidal says it's playing the HiFi version. I have Tidal set to play HiFi as the highest level, not MQA. Tidal respects this setting. Roon apparently doesn't, but I'll gladly accept configuration instructions to make Roon play non-MQA. The only difference between these two images is changing Roon settings from Masters to Hifi under Settings/Services/Tidal. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, daverich4 said: The only difference between these two images is changing Roon settings from Masters to Hifi under Settings/Services/Tidal. It's great that it works for you, but it doesn't work for me and for others on the Roon forum. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Here are my settings. I try playing to one MQA DAC and one non MQA DAC with same results. I know that shouldn't matter, but I want to try everything. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
oneway23 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, daverich4 said: The only difference between these two images is changing Roon settings from Masters to Hifi under Settings/Services/Tidal. I respect that this is working for you, but, I'd prefer that the original masters be exposed within Roon, since these unmolested versions are clearly still readily available on Tidal's servers. That's not something which gets done for everyone on my end. Link to comment
daverich4 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: It's great that it works for you, but it doesn't work for me and for others on the Roon forum. This doesn’t work for you? There isn’t any one else in the thread I got it from saying it doesn’t work for them. Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 It seems like the Harvey Weinstein attitude is deeply embedded at the studios. Warner is telling the music consumer: "We tell you what to do. You'll take MQA and you'll pay for it". It may be tilting at windmills, but I will not be buying any Warner product. No music, no movies, no Warner anything. MikeyFresh 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, daverich4 said: This doesn’t work for you? There isn’t any one else in the thread I got it from saying it doesn’t work for them. Correct. No luck here. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just another reason for me to not stream and to not use Roon. Call me a Luddite. I am not on social media either. MikeyFresh and WAM 2 Link to comment
daverich4 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Correct. No luck here. That’s really weird, sorry to hear it. But as I already posted, that isn’t my solution anyway. I buy the music the way I want it. And if it ever gets to where I can’t do that, I have several lifetimes of listening pleasure on hand already. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
hmartin Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Correct. No luck here. Same for me, even having tidal set to Hifi Roon will push the MQA version as default. Link to comment
firedog Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, JoeWhip said: Just another reason for me to not stream and to not use Roon. Call me a Luddite. I am not on social media either. I'd say it's a reason not to use Tidal.... troubleahead 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hmm. No more Space Oddity in pure PCM from Tidal? https://community.roonlabs.com/t/how-to-play-non-mqa-version/128298 troubleahead 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 Tidal app says it's the MQA version of Space Oddity, I've selected HiFi in the settings, Tidal app says HiFi when playing, but it's sending me MQA as evidenced on the DAC I'm using that now says MQA. Wow, it's MP3 or MQA. Ouch. Thanks to all who assisted in removing our freedom of choice. troubleahead and MikeyFresh 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
hmartin Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I hope Roon adds some other streaming service available in Sweden so I can cancel my Tidal subscription, or Qobuz becoming available. MikeyFresh 1 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I'm a big advocate of consumer choice. MQA said it could remove consumer choice and it has. Wish everyone believed them from the start. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 I like to think of MQA this way: Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa is a treasured work of art owned by the Government of France. The Government of France says it can make adjustments to the Mona Lisa because some new colors are available that were unavailable in the early 1500s and they can make the painting how Leonardo intended it. These new colors require special glasses to see them in their full glory. Patrons of the Louvre can pay the standard fee to see the Mona Lisa as it is, but with some smear on it due to the new colors, or they can pay an added fee for the glasses to see the Mona Lisa as the artist intended (note: France has no idea if this is what Leonardo intended because and it just processed the Mona Lisa with thousands of other paintings, using a few of the 15 colors it developed specifically for this purpose). Now consider, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is a treasured work of art own by Sony Music Entertainment. Need I go further? sphinxsix, MikeyFresh, Thuaveta and 3 others 5 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
oneway23 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Thank you for posting your response, Chris. This is bonkers. Deciding whether or not to use Tidal may be an irrelevant choice, frankly. As I said earlier, there's absolutely nothing to prevent WMG from passing these same files to the folks at Qobuz, or anywhere else. If WMG wants to use just one file to provide streamers with content, welp, that's it, then. The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
UkPhil Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Tidal app says it's the MQA version of Space Oddity, I've selected HiFi in the settings, Tidal app says HiFi when playing, but it's sending me MQA as evidenced on the DAC I'm using that now says MQA. Wow, it's MP3 or MQA. Ouch. Thanks to all who assisted in removing our freedom of choice. This is shocking news Chris, just as people thought years ago is now happening 🙄 Link to comment
oneway23 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 @daverich4 You mentioned earlier that you had some help from a thread over on the Roon forum. I'm now actively following Chris' thread there, but, I'm having a good deal of trouble finding another where this issue, in particular, is being discussed. Would you please be so kind as to link me to the relevant topic? Thank you. Link to comment
Tintinabulum Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Need I go further Are you referring to the recent forensic work which has revealed more details of the Mona Lisa? https://news.artnet.com/art-world/mona-lisa-hidden-drawing-photos-1911271 Is this what you mean, that modern technology's revealed more information about the painting the allows us to appreciate it more? Or am I getting confused? Yes please, go further. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 OMG, it just dawned on me. The 16/44.1 MQA version of Space Oddity is MQA CD. Oh boy. It's even worse than I thought. MQA CD is an abomination of engineering. maxijazz 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Tintinabulum said: Are you referring to the recent forensic work which has revealed more details of the Mona Lisa? https://news.artnet.com/art-world/mona-lisa-hidden-drawing-photos-1911271 Is this what you mean, that modern technology's revealed more information about the painting the allows us to appreciate it more? Or am I getting confused? Yes please, go further. Yes, you're confused. MQA changes the original, and requires payment to hear what the company did to it. MikeyFresh 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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