MQA is Vaporware

[ARQuint]

I moved my comment to the Clark Johnsen thread.

[FredericV]

At least we see a reposted @Archimago article in the Tidal group, and then the usual response from you know who, the same hand fed canned article which was already debunked.




 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, FredericV said:

At least we see a reposted @Archimago article in the Tidal group, and then the usual response from you know who, the same hand fed canned article which was already debunked.




 

 

He made a hobby out of understanding the technology! 
 

I don’t understand people and their motivations. 

[FredericV]

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

He made a hobby out of understanding the technology! 
 

I don’t understand people and their motivations. 

His backstory does not does not add up.

[lucretius]

53 minutes ago, FredericV said:

His backstory does not does not add up.

 

Like one of the more shallow narratives of West World,  It's not wit or grit that saves the day, but magic.

[MikeyFresh]

3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

He made a hobby out of understanding the technology! 

 

Impressive!

 

3 hours ago, FredericV said:

His backstory does not does not add up.

 

No not at all, but evidently he feels there are plenty of Facebook "followers" who can be persuaded otherwise. He's a veritable Facebook superstar in his own mind, a real "influencer".

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

 

Impressive!

 

 

No not at all, but evidently he feels there are plenty of Facebook "followers" who can be persuaded otherwise. He's a veritable Facebook superstar in his own mind, a real "influencer".

The part that baffles me, is what’s in it for him and the other MQA “influencers?”

[MikeyFresh]

34 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

The part that baffles me, is what’s in it for him and the other MQA “influencers?”

 

Something more than just a spare time "hobby". I offer no proof other than common sense logic.

[kumakuma]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

The part that baffles me, is what’s in it for him and the other MQA “influencers?”

 

I think it makes them feel like they are "part of the industry" in some way. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

I think it makes them feel like they are "part of the industry" in some way. 

Wow, if that’s a feeling people want, and they’re willing to support a fraud to get it, I feel sad for them. 

[firedog]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

The part that baffles me, is what’s in it for him and the other MQA “influencers?”

Nothing different from lots of other areas of society, where people "pick a team" and then defend it  no matter what, and no matter what the facts are. 

[UkPhil]

MQA latest news 

https://www.musicweek.com/digital/read/mqa-s-bob-stuart-and-mike-jbara-on-their-mission-to-deliver-master-quality-audio-to-fans/079435

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, UkPhil said:

MQA latest news 

https://www.musicweek.com/digital/read/mqa-s-bob-stuart-and-mike-jbara-on-their-mission-to-deliver-master-quality-audio-to-fans/079435

 

Nothing like using a global health crisis to attempt to boost one’s brand with an infomercial.
 

I read the first few fake questions and almost puked. 
 

[KeenObserver]

Nothing that they do cannot be done better with non-proprietary methods.

[KeenObserver]

I imagine that Mike Jbara and Bob Stuart will continue these farces for as long as the finances hold out and they can milk their salaries.

[ralphfcooke]

There do seem to be fewer mentions of MQA in magazines these days.

 

May '20 Stereophile only has one, relating to a review of the Wolf Audio Alpha 3SX music server, and only there in the context of whether JRiver or Roon was the better software to use.

 

 May '20 HiFi News has two mentions,

The D’Agostino Master Audio Systems’Progression Integrated Amplifier, (at £25,000 probably not a big seller)

The Michi P5 control amp supports MQA, but cannot stream directly

 

What HiFi has three mentions, as part of reviews, but only in passing.

 

There appear to be  no editorial content relating to MQA, How long can it continue?

 

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

6 hours ago, ralphfcooke said:

There do seem to be fewer mentions of MQA in magazines these days.

 

May '20 Stereophile only has one, relating to a review of the Wolf Audio Alpha 3SX music server, and only there in the context of whether JRiver or Roon was the better software to use.

 

 May '20 HiFi News has two mentions,

The D’Agostino Master Audio Systems’Progression Integrated Amplifier, (at £25,000 probably not a big seller)

The Michi P5 control amp supports MQA, but cannot stream directly

 

What HiFi has three mentions, as part of reviews, but only in passing.

 

There appear to be  no editorial content relating to MQA, How long can it continue?

 

So the majority of the mentions were during reviews in passing...which begs the question, why are these lame a$$ 

manufacturers even including it as a "feature"? 

[KeenObserver]

Not all the manufacturers fell for the scheme.  There were manufacturers with integrity who saw the scheme for what it was and refused to lower their standards.

[The Computer Audiophile]

7 hours ago, KeenObserver said:

Not all the manufacturers fell for the scheme.  There were manufacturers with integrity who saw the scheme for what it was and refused to lower their standards.

Some manufacturers run fragile businesses and made the choice to include MQA believing it would help them sell more units. Nothing to do with falling for a scheme or integrity in the way you see it. Some would rather implement MQA and continue to provide paychecks for employees than make a stand from the parking lot of their closed facility. 

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Some manufacturers run fragile businesses and made the choice to include MQA believing it would help them sell more units. Nothing to do with falling for a scheme or integrity in the way you see it. Some would rather implement MQA and continue to provide paychecks for employees than make a stand from the parking lot of their closed facility. 

which then leads to more questions...

 

Why are these manufacturers running "fragile" businesses....and whose problem is that? Not ours. sorry.

 

And what could make them think that the MQA blue light would sell more boxes? The press hype? Tidal?

 

Your concern and idealism is touching, but the manufacturers need to make products that people want to buy

and use their ingenuity, not rely on voodoo and snake oil. 

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Some manufacturers run fragile businesses and made the choice to include MQA believing it would help them sell more units. Nothing to do with falling for a scheme or integrity in the way you see it. Some would rather implement MQA and continue to provide paychecks for employees than make a stand from the parking lot of their closed facility. 

Additionally, the music business still has not figured out that nobody wants to pay $10-12 for a Redbook quality download....and they cry and complain about the industry going down the tubes....I promise you if they priced Redbook and 24 bit downloads fairly they would have fared better. Lossless Streaming came on big because when people loaded up 6 or 7 Hirez downloads in their cart from HDTracks and others, the total was near $100.....not sustainable. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

10 minutes ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said:

which then leads to more questions...

 

Why are these manufacturers running "fragile" businesses....and whose problem is that? Not ours. sorry.

 

And what could make them think that the MQA blue light would sell more boxes? The press hype? Tidal?

 

Your concern and idealism is touching, but the manufacturers need to make products that people want to buy

and use their ingenuity, not rely on voodoo and snake oil. 

Have you ever run a business? 

 

Not all businesses succeed wildly at all times. Sales ebb and flow. Remember when Apple was nearly out of business? 

 

Your hatred for MQA has blinded you to the reality of the real world. So much so, that you use phrases like, "whose problem is that? Not ours. sorry" when they make zero sense in the context. Get over it. Nobody is talking about problems and who owns them. I told you why some manufacturers elected to implement MQA. Your blindness to how real businesses function is amazing. 

 

Again, your question, "And what could make them think that the MQA blue light would sell more boxes? The press hype? Tidal?" is more of your ridiculousness. It doesn't matter what, I was talking about why. Get over it. I dislike MQA strongly, but I still use common sense. 

 

What concern and idealism? if you can't have a conversation like a normal human being, it's time to take a hike. 

 

 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said:

Additionally, the music business still has not figured out that nobody wants to pay $10-12 for a Redbook quality download....and they cry and complain about the industry going down the tubes....I promise you if they priced Redbook and 24 bit downloads fairly they would have fared better. Lossless Streaming came on big because when people loaded up 6 or 7 Hirez downloads in their cart from HDTracks and others, the total was near $100.....not sustainable. 

I'm sure the "music business" has nobody as smart as you to figure this stuff out. If there is money to be made, large public companies usually leave it on the table. Yeah, that's how it works. 

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

Chris your responses are pure idealistic blather. Step off your high horse and see the real world.

 

Is it my problem the pizza joint down the street got shut down by the health inspector because they failed to clean their kitchen?Nope. Is it my problem that the small bank 3 blocks over went under because they made unwise and speculative investments? Nope.  Nothing you said is backed up by the real world.

 

And major corporations leaving money on the table? Ever hear of corporate stupidity, greed, and self dealing? you DO remember GM was just about sunk right? Apple almost went under because of disastrous decisions by Steve Jobs. And then they hired stuffed shirts who made it worse. The difference is, unlike "fragile" hifi manufacturers, it was easy for them to find investors like Microsoft, and to use the capital markets. 

 

Stop trying to make a grand point on high moral ground please. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

12 minutes ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said:

Chris your responses are pure idealistic blather. Step off your high horse and see the real world.

 

Is it my problem the pizza joint down the street got shut down by the health inspector because they failed to clean their kitchen?Nope. Is it my problem that the small bank 3 blocks over went under because they made unwise and speculative investments? Nope.  Nothing you said is backed up by the real world.

 

And major corporations leaving money on the table? Ever hear of corporate stupidity, greed, and self dealing? you DO remember GM was just about sunk right? Apple almost went under because of disastrous decisions by Steve Jobs. And then they hired stuffed shirts who made it worse. The difference is, unlike "fragile" hifi manufacturers, it was easy for them to find investors like Microsoft, and to use the capital markets. 

 

Stop trying to make a grand point on high moral ground please. 

I remember my first adult beverage well. I used the same logic you're using after a few of them. 

 

I won't waste my time talking to you, as we clearly have no common understanding of how business operate and you are unwilling to admit that businesses make decisions that will keep the lights on. 

 

If you are so against MQA, I highly recommend talking like a civil human being. It will further your cause. As it stands now, your language only turns people off and hurts your cause. 

 

I dislike MQA very much, but that dislike doesn't make me be an asshole to others.