The Computer Audiophile Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I wonder why Roon has included an old MQA recording from 2018 as part of its live radio streaming channels. All the other channels stream live radio. Rt66indierock 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Miska Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 3:11 PM, mansr said: The FLAC format already has an extensible metadata format. It would be trivial to put an RSA signature of the audio data there and publish the public key on the label's website. The signature could utilize the MD5 hash FLAC already supports, so it would be just matter of signing that hash with a private key to say that the data is authentic. This would be neat extension of the already supported functionality. Combining X.509 key infra and PKCS#7 would make the entire thing standard. I would be happy to implement verification for such. With X.509, the FLAC metadata could already include public key in PEM format and it could be verified against the already known CA's. The Computer Audiophile, maxijazz, Kyhl and 5 others 5 2 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Miska said: The signature could utilize the MD5 hash FLAC already supports, so it would be just matter of signing that hash with a private key to say that the data is authentic. This would be neat extension of the already supported functionality. Combining X.509 key infra and PKCS#7 would make the entire thing standard. I would be happy to implement verification for such. With X.509, the FLAC metadata could already include public key in PEM format and it could be verified against the already known CA's. Love it. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
daverich4 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 6 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I wonder why Roon has included an old MQA recording from 2018 as part of its live radio streaming channels. All the other channels stream live radio. Roon spent the last couple of month’s requesting station suggestions from forum members so maybe it came from there. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, daverich4 said: Roon spent the last couple of month’s requesting station suggestions from forum members so maybe it came from there. It certainly could’ve but it isn’t a radio station. Seems strange to me. Rt66indierock, crenca and daverich4 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
yahooboy Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 11/29/2019 at 2:30 AM, The Computer Audiophile said: Seems strange to me. Not really, You've got to remember where ROON came from (Meridian) there might be very positive feelings toward the former employee Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, yahooboy said: Not really, You've got to remember where ROON came from (Meridian) there might be very positive feelings toward the former employee Meridian was just a stop between the founding of Sooloos and the start of Roon. Strange in that the MQA piece has nothing to do with Roon Radio. MikeyFresh 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
daverich4 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Meridian was just a stop between the founding of Sooloos and the start of Roon. Strange in that the MQA piece has nothing to do with Roon Radio. 17 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Meridian was just a stop between the founding of Sooloos and the start of Roon. Strange in that the MQA piece has nothing to do with Roon Radio. When I asked about it the response was pretty much Nothing To See Here... https://community.roonlabs.com/t/station-in-live-radio-is-a-recording-instead-of-a-live-stream/86335 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 hours ago, daverich4 said: When I asked about it the response was pretty much Nothing To See Here... https://community.roonlabs.com/t/station-in-live-radio-is-a-recording-instead-of-a-live-stream/86335 Wow. Also, one doesn't have to search for it to find it. I browsed the Roon live stations and found it. It's actually quite prominent. Live Radio > Music (the first category) > Avant-garde (also the first category within music) > and it's right there. daverich4 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post yahooboy Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 23 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Meridian was just a stop between the founding of Sooloos and the start of Roon. Strange in that the MQA piece has nothing to do with Roon Radio. Well they seem very defendant regarding MQA, had writings back and forth with them on several occasions. They either don't understand MQA (highly unlikely) or they are so much in bed with MQA that they have to/or feel they have to market a scam (probably a part of the contract.) They won't enable a sorting of MQA and non MQA files. They are deleting posts on their site that badmouths MQA, in general they do not like anyone questioning MQA I cancelled My sub due to their stand on MQA mcgillroy, crenca, MikeyFresh and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 minute ago, yahooboy said: Well they seem very defendant regarding MQA, had writings back and forth with them on several occasions. They either don't understand MQA (highly unlikely) or they are so much in bed with MQA that they have to/or feel they have to market a scam (probably a part of the contract.) They won't enable a sorting of MQA and non MQA files. They are deleting posts on their site that badmouths MQA, in general they do not like anyone questioning MQA I certainly hear you about that stuff. I've tried to remove MQA material from my searches, but it's not possible. It's possible to filter out MQA albums in one's library, but that's only after one's been infected :~) yahooboy 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post Archimago Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 Yeah, too many coincidences and tendencies in the way Roon behaves towards MQA to there not be at least relatively strong good will. As Rob Darling of Roon said in this interview: (August 2019) "We know the MQA team really well, and we’ve watched that technology grow from its infancy." Who know, maybe's there's some kind of "quid pro quo" for MQA software decoding to be incorporated into Roon :-). I have to say that as a Roon user and "lifetime member", I do enjoy using Roon even though I still can't get Qobuz here in Canada (grrrr!). Heck, I don't even mind that they have MQA software decoding; that's an important feature for those paying money to Tidal to have given the hype. But including this Tidal Live stream in the radio feature is nonsense and probably just a desperate inclusion because nobody else cares about this Live thing they're trying (just like I can't imagine anyone in the TV broadcast world seriously caring to incorporate this nonsense into their video stream!). Hopefully at some point the Roon folks will just go about their day and let MQA deservedly die. They have other bugs to fix, UI to improve, hopefully deals with streaming services like Amazon Music to make, and ideally get us remote streaming from our Roon server. There's no need to defend something so indefensible. I still think that day we say to goodbye to MQA is inevitable and there won't be many who will mourn the death. The Computer Audiophile, beetlemania, crenca and 3 others 4 2 Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 thing to do is for each user to contact Roon Galactic Central and ask them how to exclude MQA from your searches if thousands ask it may wake them up MikeyFresh, mcgillroy, The Computer Audiophile and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Popular Post daverich4 Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 17 hours ago, yahooboy said: They are deleting posts on their site that badmouths MQA, in general they do not like anyone questioning MQA I cancelled My sub due to their stand on MQA There are lots of anti MQA posts in the Roon forums including long threads with @Danny (Roon COO) going toe to toe with the anti MQA members there. I have no knowledge if some individual posts are being deleted but @Danny would have the authority to remove posts and as far as I can tell, doesn’t generally seem to have the policy of doing so. troubleahead, firedog and yahooboy 1 1 1 Link to comment
yahooboy Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, daverich4 said: There are lots of anti MQA posts in the Roon forums including long threads with @Danny (Roon COO) going toe to toe with the anti MQA members there. I have no knowledge if some individual posts are being deleted but @Danny would have the authority to remove posts and as far as I can tell, doesn’t generally seem to have the policy of doing so. Well I've noticed quite a few threads (mentioning MQA) that seem strangely incoherent, as if several posts are missing...... Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, yahooboy said: Well I've noticed quite a few threads (mentioning MQA) that seem strangely incoherent, as if several posts are missing...... DuckToller, yahooboy, crenca and 2 others 2 3 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 I moved the news of the Lee Scoggins announcement to its own topic. I know he was involved with this MQA topic, but this is a different animal. Confused and Kyhl 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
crenca Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Ralf11 said: thing to do is for each user to contact Roon Galactic Central and ask them how to exclude MQA from your searches if thousands ask it may wake them up I can't find the thread I started about this but here is one: https://community.roonlabs.com/t/prefer-tidal-flac-over-mqa-option/61904 crickets from Roon... Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
crenca Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Archimago said: Yeah, too many coincidences and tendencies in the way Roon behaves towards MQA to there not be at least relatively strong good will... Good will indeed - quoting Roon's COO Danny from (https://community.roonlabs.com/t/provenance-and-mqa/83875): "...Bob Stuart is trying to improve this world end-to-end with his vision of the solution..." "{referencing Bob Stuart}I can’t think of a more patient and persistent man to get it done..." Clearly, there is a strong (mentor?) relationship between Bob and Danny. I wonder who is conning who in it... troubleahead 1 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
bambadoo Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Probably very old news but Roon and Meridian have a shared history. Of course Meridian, Roon, MQA (former tidal people have joined MQA) are all scratching eachothers back. Quote Roon Labs co-founder, Enno Vandermeer, previously co-founded music management interface Sooloos, which was established in New York in 2001 and subsequently acquired by Meridian. Roon Labs was spun out of Meridian in February 2015. Meridian Audio Ltd. announced at 4pm December 5 that it had acquired media server manufacturer Sooloos LLC. "Basically, it comes from [Meridian founder] Bob Stuart's appreciation of great industrial design and innovative technologies," said Meridian's Chief Marketing Officer Graeme Taylor. "That combination is what Meridian has always attempted to offer and when Bob saw Sooloos' products, he realized that Peter Wellikoff [COO], Enno Vandermeer [CEO], and Danny Dulai [CTO] shared those values. Over time, it became obvious that, between what we shared and what we each could offer each other, the acquisition made tremendous sense." Link to comment
Popular Post rn701 Posted December 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2019 Roon is turning into a 'cult of personality.' Danny and JimH should get a room and compare notes. daverich4 and yahooboy 2 Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 We are into the first week of December. MQA Ltd posted in their financial statement that even though them are running out of operating capital, they were still a "Going Concern" because they were expecting to secure further funding by the end of November. Have they in fact secured further funding? I don't see anything posted about further stock issuance. I will breathe a sigh of relief when the specter of MQA no longer hangs over the music consumer. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 They aren't running out of operating capital, it just hasn't been deconvoluted yet, so is inapparent Teresa 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted December 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: They aren't running out of operating capital, it just hasn't been deconvoluted yet, so is inapparent Wait until they get a compressed lossy amount of money and turn it into billions by unfolding the dollar bills. esldude, Kyhl, troubleahead and 5 others 2 1 5 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
esldude Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Wait until they get a compressed lossy amount of money and turn it into billions by unfolding the dollar bills. So when you deblur millions you get billions? And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
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