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On 9/20/2019 at 11:25 AM, crenca said:

...What, exactly is an "analogue waveform" and how is it materially different from an "digital waveform"?  We know that factually they are the same...

 

I never knew there was such a thing as a digital waveform. My DAC (digital to analog converter) converts binary digital to an analog waveform my speakers can reproduce. I thought binary digital has just two states and that digital has to be converted to analog before it can be heard as sound.


I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums.  I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past.

 

I still love music.

 

Teresa

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4 hours ago, Teresa said:

 

 

I never knew there was such a thing as a digital waveform. My DAC (digital to analog converter) converts binary digital to an analog waveform my speakers can reproduce. I thought binary digital has just two states and that digital has to be converted to analog before it can be heard as sound.

 

Exactly, there is but one waveform to rule them all 😉

 

Yet in "High End" and Audiophiledom there is an attempt by the confidence men marketing men to explain (if your being generous) and/or obfuscate this to various ends...

 

edit:  this is a good primer:

 

https://archimago.blogspot.com/2019/08/musings-demo-why-bits-are-bits-lets-not.html


Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math!

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1 hour ago, JoshM said:

After the MQA thread over at ASR had to locked months ago because Amir was getting pilloried by his own followers for his blind appeals to authority on behalf of Bob Stuart, Amir has unlocked the thread in order to post more blind appeals to authority and specious arguments on behalf of Rob Harley (and against Archimago).

 

Got to love a proprietor of an audio “science” forum who defends MQA!

 

Thankfully, @mitchco called Amir on it over at ASR. 

I suspect Amir's bizarre stance on MQA is due to some kind of misplaced sympathy rooted in his own failure to gain traction for WMA combined with an absurd notion that every venture somehow deserves to succeed, no matter how insane. Like Lee Scoggins, he keeps talking about "business" while completely ignoring the technical realities he (unlike Scoggins) otherwise purports to espouse. As jarring as the dissonance is, perhaps his system is not sufficiently resolving for him to perceive it.

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2 hours ago, Archimago said:

 

Interesting update @FredericV. Curious how large the conference/show is? 

 

So is Hans Beekhuyzen a well-known figure among the Dutch audiophiles over the years and before his YouTube videos? He seems to be one of these guys who have lots of words and his main job is to spread uncertainty by generalizing about "cheap" vs. expensive parts, push certain products, and scare people about "jitter" and such. Funny how he's starting to equivocate about the generalization he has tended to hold about switching vs. linear power supplies in recent video on "What makes a good DAC?". I cringe every time I hear him say at the end of his videos that supporting him financially keeps him "independent and therefore trustworthy". I think those are very different things.

 

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

+100, no matter who the person is. 
 

Independent = Independent 

Trustworthy = Trustworthy 

 

There’s no other equation or logic to use that involves both of those and includes a causal relationship or correlation. 
 

 

 

Exactly. We can debate whether advertising or donations is more likely to facilitate independence, but there's nothing inherent in donations that creates independence. If that were so, all politicians' views would be completely independent! In the case of donor-supported internet publications, donations can potentially incentivize playing to the prejudices of donors, just as advertising might potentially lead to favoring the products of advertisers. (IMHO, the former is the case with ASR's Schiit-bashing and general disdain for anything perceived as popular among "audiophiles.")

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6 minutes ago, mansr said:

...Like Lee Scoggins, he keeps talking about "business" while completely ignoring the technical realities he (unlike Scoggins) otherwise purports to espouse. As jarring as the dissonance is, perhaps his system is not sufficiently resolving for him to perceive it.

 

Amir's background is big IT no?  Perhaps his loyalty/class consciousness is getting the best of him...


Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math!

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9 minutes ago, mansr said:

I suspect Amir's bizarre stance on MQA is due to some kind of misplaced sympathy rooted in his own failure to gain traction for WMA combined with an absurd notion that every venture somehow deserves to succeed, no matter how insane. Like Lee Scoggins, he keeps talking about "business" while completely ignoring the technical realities he (unlike Scoggins) otherwise purports to espouse. As jarring as the dissonance is, perhaps his system is not sufficiently resolving for him to perceive it.

 

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42 minutes ago, crenca said:

Amir's background is big IT no?  Perhaps his loyalty/class consciousness is getting the best of him...

He was some sort of manager in the Microsoft audio group around the time WMA failed rather miserably in the marketplace.

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2 minutes ago, Dr Tone said:

If he had a following, he's slowly losing it.

 

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Unfortunately it appears Amir has gotten a bit lost in Audiophiledom, which is fist and foremost a confidence game of authority.  


Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math!

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13 minutes ago, Archimago said:

In my world, those who are truly respectable are usually too humble to accept that the word "authority" needs apply to themselves. They speak up for themselves and bring facts along for the discussion. Able to accept, learn, and change when they're wrong.

I’ve found this in many “worlds” as well. 


Founder of Audiophile Style

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2 hours ago, mansr said:

As jarring as the dissonance is, perhaps his system is not sufficiently resolving for him to perceive it.

 

That probably also accounts for a large % of the potential customers of MQA encoded material, that are likely to take the heavily promoted BS as factual, because the manufacturer of the equipment that they are looking at to play it with, has this decoding facility incorporated. Their  logic being, why would it be there unless it was worthwhile ?


"If you can't hear the difference between an original CD and a copy of your CD,

you might as well give up your career as a tester. The difference between a reconstituted FLAC and full size WAV is much less than that, but it does exist. - Cookie Marenco"

 

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