crenca Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I think the JA's and AQ, et al, are just trolling the forum. How many questions about MQA have they answered without any deflection or disingenuousness? My count is zero. Yep. It's a game of three-card monte, yet some of us want to believe that they play an honest game, or do most of the time, or want to, etc. MQA is the Queen...think you can find it 😉 Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 This forum is like the original Stereophile ( and TAS ). It is run by people with a love of music. J Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson wanted to share their love of music and the equipment that produced it. They were perhaps not the best businessmen. Then came Archibald and Atkinson. They turned Stereophile into a successful and influential business. The key word is business. The decisions made at Stereophile are business decisions. MikeyFresh and Ralf11 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I think the JA's and AQ, et al, are just trolling the forum. How many questions about MQA have they answered without any deflection or disingenuousness? My count is zero. They also haven't asked any questions. Makes one wonder what purpose they serve. Or what master. esldude and MikeyFresh 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 It would be interesting to read why the old guard has elected to nor pursue the objective information about MQA. We've read just about everything else from them, but still no explanation for why this stuff has been ignored. If MQA is the second coming of digital, it should hold up just fine to objective criticism. We've heard, among other things: MQA is the best thing that's ever happened to digital There may be some drawbacks It sounds fantastic It unfolds to a trillion gigahertz (joking) etc, etc, etc... Currawong, Thuaveta and esldude 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
lucretius Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 53 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: This forum is like the original Stereophile ( and TAS ). It is run by people with a love of music. J Gordon Holt and Harry Pearson wanted to share their love of music and the equipment that produced it. They were perhaps not the best businessmen. Then came Archibald and Atkinson. They turned Stereophile into a successful and influential business. The key word is business. The decisions made at Stereophile are business decisions. Does the magazine still exist? I went to their website and clicked on Subscribe>Print Magazine and Subscribe>Digital Magazine and I get Server Not Found. mQa is dead! Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I think the JA's and AQ, et al, are just trolling the forum. How many questions about MQA have they answered without any deflection or disingenuousness? My count is zero. I was thinking the same thing myself. Never any substantive responses to to any of the criticisms of MQA noted here. Always fallbacks to discussions about civility, anonymity, accomodation, etc. Ralf11, esldude, mav52 and 1 other 4 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: It would be interesting to read why the old guard has elected to nor pursue the objective information about MQA. We've read just about everything else from them, but still no explanation for why this stuff has been ignored. If MQA is the second coming of digital, it should hold up just fine to objective criticism. We've heard, among other things: MQA is the best thing that's ever happened to digital There may be some drawbacks It sounds fantastic It unfolds to a trillion gigahertz (joking) etc, etc, etc... Yes, it is such an amazing sonic revolution that many experienced listeners can't consistently hear it. The "old guard' writers and magazine editors can, though. Ask JVS, he's never heard an MQA track that wasn't a sonic revelation. It must be wonderful to have better hearing skills than everyone else. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Old Guard = "the preaching of media sages" Link to comment
John_Atkinson Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, lucretius said: Does the magazine still exist? I went to their website and clicked on Subscribe>Print Magazine and Subscribe>Digital Magazine and I get Server Not Found. The subs page seems to be working: https://sph.pcdfusion.com/pcd/Order?iKey=I**A03 John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Popular Post Thuaveta Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said: The subs page seems to be working: https://sph.pcdfusion.com/pcd/Order?iKey=I**A03 John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile Good to see you finally address the meat of the matter ! rwdvis, Ran, crenca and 3 others 6 Link to comment
mansr Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Ralf11 said: Old Guard = "the preaching of media sages" Did you mean stooges? Not sure which one is the third, though. Link to comment
Popular Post lucretius Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: We've heard, among other things: MQA is the best thing that's ever happened to digital There may be some drawbacks It sounds fantastic It unfolds to a trillion gigahertz (joking) etc, etc, etc... And who could forget these unforgettable ditties from Stereophile: "So much more emotionally compelling, and so much more nuance." "The pacing and accents are more palpable." "... the increased clarity of the spatial relationships between the players and the surrounding hall ambience." "Listening to my recording with MQA literally brought tears to my eyes, because it was the first time I could hear what I heard in the hall." "It was immediately apparent how much deeper I could listen into the soundstage with MQA. Due to MQA correction of minute timing errors, special relationships were clarified to a significant extent". "I heard the winds in the back of the orchestra as I've never heard them before." "The taps on the timpani and bass drum sound more natural, rather than like generic thwacks, and the sonic signature and dimensions of the hall are clearer." esldude, John Dyson, maxijazz and 3 others 3 3 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Thuaveta Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, firedog said: It must be wonderful to have better hearing skills than everyone else. Well, that's one of the things they're selling. The other is that you, too, have superhuman hearing, and that the only way to reveal and nuture it is buying the really expensive stuff they're pimping. esldude 1 Link to comment
Popular Post botrytis Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said: The subs page seems to be working: https://sph.pcdfusion.com/pcd/Order?iKey=I**A03 John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile What about the other questions asked? Or are you hoping more subscribers from this board? I think you have lost more from here than you have gained by ignoring the issues with MQA. It will not go away by ignoring it. esldude and Thuaveta 1 1 Current: Daphile on an AMD A10-9500 with 16 GB RAM DAC - TEAC UD-501 DAC Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590 Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier Speakers - Revel M126Be with 2 REL 7/ti subwoofers Cables - Tara Labs RSC Reference and Blue Jean Cable Balanced Interconnects Link to comment
lucretius Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, John_Atkinson said: The subs page seems to be working: https://sph.pcdfusion.com/pcd/Order?iKey=I**A03 John Atkinson Technical Editor, Stereophile Still not working for me. 😒 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, lucretius said: Still not working for me. 😒 I get an order form. Maybe Stereophile is banned by your ISP. To protect the children, of course. Kyhl, esldude, Thuaveta and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Rt66indierock Posted August 26, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 26 minutes ago, firedog said: Yes, it is such an amazing sonic revolution that many experienced listeners can't consistently hear it. The "old guard' writers and magazine editors can, though. Ask JVS, he's never heard an MQA track that wasn't a sonic revelation. It must be wonderful to have better hearing skills than everyone else. Remember pot is legal in the State of Washington. crenca, esldude and lucretius 3 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, lucretius said: And who could forget these unforgettable ditties from Stereophile: "So much more emotionally compelling, and so much more nuance." "The pacing and accents are more palpable." "... the increased clarity of the spatial relationships between the players and the surrounding hall ambience." "Listening to my recording with MQA literally brought tears to my eyes, because it was the first time I could hear what I heard in the hall." "It was immediately apparent how much deeper I could listen into the soundstage with MQA. Due to MQA correction of minute timing errors, special relationships were clarified to a significant extent". "I heard the winds in the back of the orchestra as I've never heard them before." "The taps on the timpani and bass drum sound more natural, rather than like generic thwacks, and the sonic signature and dimensions of the hall are clearer." Many of those don't bother me. Writers have creative license to describe these things how they wish. Number 5 could be innocent ignorance of what's going on and number 4 could use an explanation that all of this sonic change could be done without MQA. Currawong 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, lucretius said: And who could forget these unforgettable ditties from Stereophile: "So much more emotionally compelling, and so much more nuance." "The pacing and accents are more palpable." "... the increased clarity of the spatial relationships between the players and the surrounding hall ambience." "Listening to my recording with MQA literally brought tears to my eyes, because it was the first time I could hear what I heard in the hall." "It was immediately apparent how much deeper I could listen into the soundstage with MQA. Due to MQA correction of minute timing errors, special relationships were clarified to a significant extent". "I heard the winds in the back of the orchestra as I've never heard them before." "The taps on the timpani and bass drum sound more natural, rather than like generic thwacks, and the sonic signature and dimensions of the hall are clearer." "I'll have what she's having". lucretius, Currawong, Ralf11 and 1 other 4 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post Thuaveta Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, lucretius said: Still not working for me. 😒 There you go 😋 mansr and lucretius 2 Link to comment
Popular Post mansr Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: 25 minutes ago, lucretius said: 5. "It was immediately apparent how much deeper I could listen into the soundstage with MQA. Due to MQA correction of minute timing errors, special relationships were clarified to a significant extent". Number 5 could be innocent ignorance of what's going on It makes a specific technical claim, placing it in a different category than the other quotes. lucretius, botrytis and Hugo9000 3 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, mansr said: It makes a specific technical claim, placing it in a different category than the other quotes. I certainly hear what you're saying. A technical editor could correct that before publication. lucretius, botrytis and kumakuma 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
firedog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I certainly hear what you're saying. A technical editor could correct that before publication. Why? Everyone knows MQA deblurred the track in question. MikeyFresh 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted August 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2019 maybe MQA deblurred the technical editor Rt66indierock and Currawong 1 1 Link to comment
crenca Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 hours ago, lucretius said: And who could forget these unforgettable ditties from Stereophile: "So much more emotionally compelling, and so much more nuance." "The pacing and accents are more palpable." "... the increased clarity of the spatial relationships between the players and the surrounding hall ambience." "Listening to my recording with MQA literally brought tears to my eyes, because it was the first time I could hear what I heard in the hall." "It was immediately apparent how much deeper I could listen into the soundstage with MQA. Due to MQA correction of minute timing errors, special relationships were clarified to a significant extent". "I heard the winds in the back of the orchestra as I've never heard them before." "The taps on the timpani and bass drum sound more natural, rather than like generic thwacks, and the sonic signature and dimensions of the hall are clearer." 2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Many of those don't bother me. Writers have creative license to describe these things how they wish. Number 5 could be innocent ignorance of what's going on and number 4 could use an explanation that all of this sonic change could be done without MQA. 1 hour ago, mansr said: It makes a specific technical claim, placing it in a different category than the other quotes. Were all these made by JVS when comparing an MQA track to the equivalent PCM? If so, then they all rest on the technical assertions (all false) of MQA. Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
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