MQA is Vaporware

[Hugo9000]

I hope he receives exactly the same rapt attention and courtesy as he himself gave at a presentation where he was merely an attendee.

[mav52]

3 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said:

I hope he receives exactly the same rapt attention and courtesy as he himself gave at a presentation where he was merely an attendee.

 

We can only hope, but why should real logical people stoop to the same childless mentally that was shown at Chris's presentation.  I think we are better than that, no I know we are better than that.

[Hugo9000]

16 minutes ago, mav52 said:

 

We can only hope, but why should real logical people stoop to the same childless mentally that was shown at Chris's presentation.  I think we are better than that, no I know we are better than that.

Oh, I don't think it will happen, nor would I succumb to temptation were I to attend.

 

But then, perhaps random Tidal users or the general public will show up in protest, after all the money and influence spent getting awareness out there for MQA.  Misspelled signs and chanting of slogans should be expected during revolutions and the birthing of a new world order, unless MQA is indeed nothing more than vaporware.  

[Rt66indierock]

1 hour ago, Hugo9000 said:

I hope he receives exactly the same rapt attention and courtesy as he himself gave at a presentation where he was merely an attendee.

 

I hope that everyone attending who oppose MQA asks thoughtful questions but please ask Ken Forsythe about his qualifications too.

[Sonicularity]

...and bang your fist on a table while shouting "This...is...essentially...D...R...M!"

[crenca]

3 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

I hope that everyone attending who oppose MQA asks thoughtful questions but please ask Ken Forsythe about his qualifications too.

 

1 hour ago, Sonicularity said:

...and bang your fist on a table while shouting "This...is...essentially...D...R...M!"

 

I have to agree with Sonicularity here Rt66indierock, in that what "thoughtful" questions are left?  Certainly not technical ones - MQA is an empty proprietary rent scheme for the consumer, and a stab at DRM for the industry.  Perhaps you mean financial and such questions that might tell us a bit about how MQA plans to go forward?

[John Dyson]

15 hours ago, crenca said:

 

 

I have to agree with Sonicularity here Rt66indierock, in that what "thoughtful" questions are left?  Certainly not technical ones - MQA is an empty proprietary rent scheme for the consumer, and a stab at DRM for the industry.  Perhaps you mean financial and such questions that might tell us a bit about how MQA plans to go forward?

Effectively it seems like a quality tradeoff (probably mitigated by some games) to get more bits for DRM type stuff.  There is NO benfit to the end consumer.  Anything talking about games that improve the quality to compensate are secondary to the actual DRM purpose.  There certainly is little/no benefit to a marginally effective lossy compression scheme.  (I mean margainally effective in the sense of saving space.)   Any loss of quality is not a good thing anymore -- when it can be allowed, then we have mp3/opus/aac/etc.

 

John

[The Computer Audiophile]

Shoot I double-booked the 3pm time slot so I can’t stream the MQA paid infomercial. 

 

Anyone else?

[Sal1950]

On 4/11/2019 at 4:12 PM, Sonicularity said:

...and bang your fist on a table while shouting "This...is...essentially...D...R...M!"

Oh no, bang your shoe while yelling  "we will bury you"   😛

[The Computer Audiophile]

You guys wouldn’t believe how many people have approached me at AXPONA in the last 24 hours to say thanks for giving my presentation at RMAF last year. Consumers and manufacturers (NDA signed and Non NDA) both have been very supportive. 

 

It has been pretty cool.

 

Thanks for the support guys!

[crenca]

14 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

You guys wouldn’t believe how many people have approached me at AXPONA in the last 24 hours to say thanks for giving my presentation at RMAF last year. Consumers and manufacturers (NDA signed and Non NDA) both have been very supportive. 

 

It has been pretty cool.

 

Thanks for the support guys!

 

Does not surprise me a bit.  In a small niche industry the "in crowd" decided to support MQA.  Most went along because they thought they had to - who are they to buck the "in crowd"?  They are wrong about the importance and leverage of the "in crowd" and this just needed to be shown.  Through the consumer forums (led by this one and this tread) the substance of MQA in particular and the "in crowd" in general has been revealed to be what it is:  opinionated elitists who think they know what's best for the majority of the industry.  Now, their technically ignorant underbelly has been exposed for what it is.  Of course the majority are grateful, if still somewhat cuckold to the "in crowd"...

[daverich4]

48 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

Does not surprise me a bit.  In a small niche industry the "in crowd" decided to support MQA.  Most went along because they thought they had to - who are they to buck the "in crowd"?  They are wrong about the importance and leverage of the "in crowd" and this just needed to be shown.  Through the consumer forums (led by this one and this tread) the substance of MQA in particular and the "in crowd" in general has been revealed to be what it is:  opinionated elitists who think they know what's best for the majority of the industry.  Now, their technically ignorant underbelly has been exposed for what it is.  Of course the majority are grateful, if still somewhat cuckold to the "in crowd"...

 

I think you’re wrong about the “importance and leverage” of this thread and the posters to it. MQA may or may not be successful but it won’t be determined because of one single word posted here. 

[rickca]

No live stream of the birth of a new world?  I wonder whether Mike Jbara's session was well attended by people without a stake in the success of MQA.

 

Where is there a passionate defense of MQA from a company that has implemented it?  dCS or Berkeley Audio?  

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

35 minutes ago, daverich4 said:

 

I think you’re wrong about the “importance and leverage” of this thread and the posters to it. MQA may or may not be successful but it won’t be determined because of one single word posted here. 

Is there any anti MQA you don't "Disagree" with? Do you have anti MQA alert app?

[Sonicularity]

53 minutes ago, rickca said:

No live stream of the birth of a new world?  I wonder whether Mike Jbara's session was well attended by people without a stake in the success of MQA.

 

Where is there a passionate defense of MQA from a company that has implemented it?  dCS or Berkeley Audio?  

 

However the session went, I'm sure there was an outstanding discussion to be had afterward.

[Indydan]

"OMG, it's music" is the first thing I wrote down in this room. "So much of what I've missed at this show is here." 

 

JVS once again proclaiming his enthusiasm for MQA...

 

https://www.stereophile.com/content/vtl-s-400-series-ii-reference-amp-stenheim-alumine-five-speakers-dcs-rossini-player-nordost

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

6 minutes ago, Indydan said:

"OMG, it's music" is the first thing I wrote down in this room. "So much of what I've missed at this show is here." 

 

JVS once again proclaiming his enthusiasm for MQA...

 

https://www.stereophile.com/content/vtl-s-400-series-ii-reference-amp-stenheim-alumine-five-speakers-dcs-rossini-player-nordost

Wow.....septuagenarians proclaiming a lossy format is true musical ecstasy. How did we live without it?

[firedog]

2 hours ago, Indydan said:

"OMG, it's music" is the first thing I wrote down in this room. "So much of what I've missed at this show is here." 

 

JVS once again proclaiming his enthusiasm for MQA...

 

https://www.stereophile.com/content/vtl-s-400-series-ii-reference-amp-stenheim-alumine-five-speakers-dcs-rossini-player-nordost

His consistent over the top descriptions of every MQA track he listens to certainly lead one to think there’s a lot of confirmation bias involved in his reports. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

17 hours ago, rickca said:

No live stream of the birth of a new world?  I wonder whether Mike Jbara's session was well attended by people without a stake in the success of MQA.

 

Where is there a passionate defense of MQA from a company that has implemented it?  dCS or Berkeley Audio?  

A couple people stopped me in the hall to tell me about it. Hopefully they’ll post here. 

 

There was a fiery discussion today I was told. 

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

19 minutes ago, firedog said:

His consistent over the top descriptions of every MQA track he listens to certainly lead one to think there’s a lot of confirmation bias involved in his reports. 

Your gift for understatement is truly exceptional. 😎 Cheers.

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

14 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

A couple people stopped me in the hall to tell me about it. Hopefully they’ll post here. 

 

There red was a fiery discussion today I was told. 

If it is not on YouTube, it never happened...😃

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 hours ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said:

If it is not on YouTube, it never happened...😃

Even if it is on YouTube it never happened according to some people.

[Summit]

 I see that we have a new MQA supporter. He would most likely had got along fine with Brinkman.

[Ishmael Slapowitz]

10 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Even if it is on YouTube it never happened according to some people.

True enough! 🤩

[daverich4]

19 hours ago, Ishmael Slapowitz said:

Is there any anti MQA you don't "Disagree" with? Do you have anti MQA alert app?

 

I wasn’t posting for or against MQA, I was just pointing out that I don’t think the people raging against MQA on this forum are going to affect it’s success or failure one way or another.