Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 Repeating the same buzzwords, misdirection, and veiled claims that have been shown to be not so, over and over. That is not fact finding. That is MARKETING. Indydan, crenca, MikeyFresh and 1 other 2 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 I would agree to disagree on something like a cable having magical qualities. Unless someone got in my face trying to convince me of the magical qualities. I don't really have a personal stake because I do not have to buy it. MQA is a different matter. As MQA envisions it, they want to control the entire music chain. And collect royalties all along the way. This would be borne by the music consuming public. I am a subset of the music consuming public, so this personally affects me. Looking at MQA's financial statements, between 2016 and 2017 they lost nearly sixteen million pounds. It appears that they secured a five million pound loan to continue operations. Looking at these figures, it would seem that MQA expects to make substantial financial gains from MQA for them to continue. Again, this would be borne on the backs of the music consuming public. Indydan, MikeyFresh, Teresa and 1 other 4 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 Looking at MQA's less than forthright marketing of their product and their behavior at RMAF, these are not the people that I would like to see controlling the future of music distribution. MikeyFresh, Teresa and Indydan 1 2 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 Some people say that they prefer MQA encoded music. This may be so. But I think that this is because it is different. MQA may in fact change the sound to something that some people prefer. But it does in fact change from the original master. Most people don't prefer this. The controlling point is that no one would consider archiving their masters on MQA. Shadders, MikeyFresh and Teresa 2 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: What a crock! There was no bad behavior at RMAF (well, outside of Derek's unnecessary desk pounding but he's not part of MQA). Chris presented some very biased slides under the guise of being objective and the MQA team called him on some key points. He then got flustered and left the room before there could be any Q&A discussion. People should watch the video and make their own judgement, rather than accept your judgement. MikeyFresh and kumakuma 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Seems like Lee got flustered and left the room. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, mansr said: Can we go back to bashing Lee MQA now? Funny how every time anyone begins to look closely at MQA the conversation gets sidetracked. But then, that's market shaping in the age of the internet. MikeyFresh and crenca 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I was going to purchase an iFI iDSD Pro until they jumped on the MQA bandwagon. I bought a Benchmark DAC3 B instead and love it! 👍 I bought the Benchmark DAC3 HGC. It is an outstanding piece of equipment. And, it is not infected with MQA. Samuel T Cogley, Indydan and MikeyFresh 2 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said: A couple of people I spoke with RMAF not on the MQA team thought the discussion after you left was helpful. Mike and Ken stayed around and answered questions. You should have stayed too as it would been better for you to ask questions of the team. In any the discussion ended on a positive note. Rt66 came outside and had a good discussion with Mike Jbara. I don't understand why you bring up the point about money. MQA has never been shy about wanting to make $. They are a startup and need to pay people and make investments. They also know (as I have explained here several times here) that to get participants in the ecosystem, you have to provide value and money for all the participants. All successful businesses work this way. It's even more important when you are trying to establish a new audio standard or way of doing something. As envisioned by MQA, MQA is a closed "ecosystem". Like a septic system. And full of the same thing. Indydan and crenca 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2019 The constant use of the buzzword "ecosystem" strains the credulity of the user and does not alter the facts concerning MQA. The constant redirection of the conversation whenever the truth about MQA is being examined is telling. The attempts to paint me as being some other person is indicative of someone with nothing to add. I understand that your publication went all in on MQA and that you have no choice but to play the hand that your editor dealt you. If you have actual provable facts concerning MQA put them out there. Shadders, Indydan, MikeyFresh and 1 other 2 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 I went up to the mountain to take care of business and do some winter maintenance. I come back and it seems the MQA BS floodgates have opened once again. This brings me back to a point I made before. Look at all the rhetoric from the MQA shills and apologists. Look at the video from RMAF. Look at the behavior of the CEO of MQA. Are these the people that you want controlling the future of music distribution? Every music loving consumer needs to shun MQA like the plague! MikeyFresh, mcgillroy and r0dd3r5 1 2 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 "You actions certainly suggest you and a few others here definitely have an agenda. I wish you well, but doing bad things like you are doing will inevitably lead to unpleasant consequences. That isn't a threat by the way, just a prediction. Have a nice life. " That is a quote from someone that is telling MQA critics to be civil. What the MQA shills mean is that those people that are closely examining MQA should shut up, bend over, and accept MQA. Ralf11 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 What the MQA shills would like is for the MQA critics to be silenced so that the shills could spew their propaganda uninterrupted. MikeyFresh and Ralf11 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 To say that it is unlikely that MQA would take control of the music chain is a misdirection. That is exactly what MQA would like to see happen. Read the MQA financial statements. Read the directors comments. MQA has suffered substantial financial losses. In order to recoup, they would have to drain substantial money from the consumer. MikeyFresh and Ralf11 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Lee Scoggins said: Paul, this is an excellent post, I am here simply expressing an opinion in favor of MQA based on listening sessions of non-MQA and MQA files on my own system. I am not paid or otherwise remunerated by the MQA. I just think there is some value to the format both in terms of sound quality and the possibility of getting even more hirez files out of the labels. My "megaphone" in the market is too small to influence a large number of people to be either for MQA or against it. The future of MQA is more likely to be decided by participants in their ecosystem, such as streaming services and automotive firms. One observation, though, is that personal attacks against me are not only unnecessary but take away from any valid points you are making in the argument. You know every buzzword and talking point from MQA and repeat them over and over again, ad nauseum, everywhere that MQA is being discussed. Because of your love for music. You infer that a well respected member of the music community opposed MQA because he was dying at the time and was not thinking clearly. And he could not explain himself because he had in fact, died. Because of your love for music. You inject yourself into every forum that could possibly promote MQA. Because of your love for music. Ralf11 and MikeyFresh 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Again, are these the people you want to see controlling the distribution of music? Ralf11 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The fact that MQA requires NDA leaves in the dark the question of DRM and whether you will be able to play non MQA music undamaged. The MQA limited financial statements indicate in the director's remarks how many NDA's they have signed so far. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 " I am not paid or otherwise remunerated by the MQA. " An interesting way of putting it. Are you being paid by someone providing services for MQA Limited, Meridian, Reinet Investments, or Muse Holdings? Or any of their subsidiaries or principals? Do you hold stock in any of these companies? Ralf11 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 Even a cursory exam of the diatribe shows the BS. One question before everyone starts tearing it apart: Lee did you put that all together by yourself? The Computer Audiophile, phosphorein, MikeyFresh and 1 other 2 1 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 All the effort you have gone through because you heard MQA and non MQA on your system. The Computer Audiophile 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 WOW! This thread may reach a million views just on the refutation of Lee's ridiculous diatribe! This whole MQA thing is getting tiresome. But the fact is, MQA tried slipping in without the public knowing what it was really about. Shining a bright light on MQA is doing the music consumer a great service. I do not want to be screwed by MQA. And that is what will happen to the music consumer if MQA gains wide acceptance. MikeyFresh 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I think the efforts to put a spin on MQA's behavior at RMAF is extremely telling. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted February 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeWhip said: This thread is the gift that just keeps on giving. This thread would probably have died if the MQA shills had not repeated the MQA mantra over and over again. They continue to give truth seekers reason to continue examining MQA. Hugo9000, The Computer Audiophile and Fokus 2 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
KeenObserver Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 "(marketing) It creates a feature on the hardware that tells the consumer that the file is full MQA authenticated via a light and the thinking is that consumers could desire that light to know they were listening to a better sound experience." There is just so much BS on Lee's diatribe that it is going to take time to counter every point (as if that's necessary at this point). But the quote above kind of says it all. You need the blue light to make you believe you are listening to a better sound experience. Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
Popular Post KeenObserver Posted March 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, ARQuint said: This isn't as "off-topic" as some think. The behavior of the MQA people at CC's RMAF seminar was unacceptable—they certainly would have had their chance to have their say if they'd just let Chris finish his presentation. (I'm pretty sure that Chris had built time for discussion into his session, plus it was the last seminar of the day and a dialogue could have continued indefinitely.) But, as I've suggested before, they came "loaded for bear" because, I think, they conflated Chris's approach to MQA with that of the most rudely extreme, take-no-prisoner participants on this forum. It was a disappointment to me, as I would have liked to witness a true back-and-forth debate. Probably, a superior format would have been a panel of (well-informed) pro- and anti-MQA partisans, with Chris as the moderator who could have held the panelists' feet to the fire and assured that questions really got answered - both the "who is Archimago, why is he anonymous and what are his possible motivations?" and the "tell me why MQA isn't DRM?" varieties. So I think Paul R's point is well taken. More kindness, respect, civility—whatever you want to call it—would have allowed for a more meaningful MQA discussion at RMAF, and elsewhere in our small universe. Andrew Quint The Absolute Sound He is the same person that wrote this: "Your actions certainly suggest you and a few others here definitely have an agenda. I wish you well, but doing bad things like you are doing will inevitably lead to unpleasant consequences. That isn't a threat by the way, just a prediction. Have a nice life" What I think the MQA shills mean is that the people that are closely examining MQA should shut up and say nothing. People should accept the decrees issued from on high from the demi-gods john Atkinson and Robert Harley, even though Harley's paradigm change article was the most laughable article ever published. Those days are gone. It is a whole new world, where everything is closely examined. If you think that critics can be silenced by accusing them of being "uncivil" when they criticize your sacred cow, you have a warped perspective. askat1988, crenca and MikeyFresh 2 1 Boycott Warner Boycott Tidal Boycott Roon Boycott Lenbrook Link to comment
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