MikeyFresh Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: I mostly agree, but purchasers of the iDSD Pro aren't given the choice to decline the MQA licensing fee. Thats true, and I can't help but wonder how much that licensing fee, along with all of the associated long man hours iFi spent in implementing MQA caused the retail price of the iDSD Pro to skyrocket from an initially estimated $1,500, to the eventual $2,500 msrp. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, ARQuint said: Probably, a superior format would have been a panel of (well-informed) pro- and anti-MQA partisans You mean the kind of thing that was originally planned for RMAF 2 years ago, which MQA initially accepted an invitation to participate in, and then suddenly without warning or explanation backed out? That kind of thing? crenca, esldude and Hugo9000 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, ARQuint said: "who is Archimago, why is he anonymous and what are his possible motivations?" This is somehow more important to you than the lack of any credible response whatsoever to the various technical questions/examinations and debunked marketing-speak of MQA et al? When Mans, Archimago, Frederic, and various others have spent time and effort in looking behind the curtain, and presented facts that are uncomfortable for MQA, it is completely disingenuous,/unacceptable (but hardly surprising) for MQA and their trade publication PR arm, or anyone else to suggest that someone's anonymity is the real topic needing clarification. Samuel T Cogley, crenca, Shadders and 1 other 4 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said: (my bold in the quote above) The irony is that Mr. Harley was right about a paradigm change, as was Mr. Atkinson about witnessing the birth of a whole new world*, but it isn't MQA itself, it's the response of skeptics to the "authorities" of the audio world haha! The actual paradigm shift is away from the old publications, and the new world is one in which their statements and reviews are no longer accepted as holy writ, but are increasingly treated with skepticism or distrust. Incidentally, for those who objected (lol) to Chris (in his presentation) or anyone else mentioning/showing use of the "old" MQA Lossless (sic) logo, please note that Stereophile has not removed it or made an editiorial note regarding its inaccuracy/deception in this online article where it still appears: https://www.stereophile.com/content/ive-heard-future-streaming-meridians-mqa Obviously, they cannot do anything about print editions of the magazine, other than print a retraction or correction or other editorial note in a later issue, but this is the current state of the online article, which should have been updated if they were interested in accuracy or objectivity. An additional editorial comment about the disinformation that follows the use of that dishonest logo would be useful as well. *Apologies if that wasn't the exact wording of his metaphor, I was distracted by seeing the MQA Lossless still in place and not corrected or editorialized after the fact in any way. lol Fantastic post, some great points made there. crenca and Hugo9000 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said: ...and it was, in concert with Scoggins and Jbara, some of the worst performance art I've ever seen. 😃 This is no small detail, and one that Lee and others have tried to now hide or obfuscate. They want the bad memory/image of that day to be one of Derek's fist pounding only, hoping that others who haven't seen the video won't know that was only a small part of that awful performance relative to the behavior of MQA's real representatives. tmtomh, Hugo9000 and Samuel T Cogley 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: the full video which includes the discussion with Jbara as that gets to the real tenor of the meeting. To which discussion are you referring? Anyone watching the video won't struggle with identifying "the real tenor of the meeting". 16 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: And recognize that there was discussion with Steven and others afterward that was very civil. So in other words you and your Atlanta buddy in concert with Jbara, get a complete pass on the pathetic attack orchestrated to disrupt the entire session from the get-go, but if a viewer can stay with it and stomach that archived debacle, the takeaway should somehow be that a civil discussion afterwards (the session was over) resulted in milk and cookies, and a good time was had by all? More alternative facts Lee. Teresa, Hugo9000 and Samuel T Cogley 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: There is too much missing information to judge how MQA is doing financially. So you missed those last 2 year's financial statements and the need for a £5 million loan to keep things afloat that @KeenObserver aptly alluded to? The only thing missing as yet in judging how MQA is doing financially is the upcoming July financial statement for 2018. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, KeenObserver said: Which also raises the issue of barriers to entry. No small issue, and when taken in the context of other factors such as the massive consolidation of record labels over the years, MQA looks rather anti-competitive, and absolutely anti-consumer. Your entire post is spot on, this is the play they are attempting. Swiss private equity firms don't throw good money after bad on a whim and prayer. Shadders 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: It's a startup. Startups operate at losses for several years. And MQA indeed has operated at a loss for more than just those 2 years, originally as part of the money bleeding Meridian brand whose financial statements are ugly beyond belief to the tune of losing over £40 million over many year's time. So not really quite the start-up you describe, but then again I know it's on record you had great trouble reading and understanding the Meridian financial statements too. Teresa and Hugo9000 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: my guess is that MQA feels these filters deblur 99% of the ADCs out there What is your guess based on? How many total ADCs are out there Lee? Shadders and crenca 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: Based on how the MQA team explained the machine learning elements to me and my prior/current background in building ML-based predictive models. Ahh... the hamburger batch processor in the cloud then? Thanks. crenca, Hugo9000 and Shadders 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: the need for smaller file sizes on mobile devices at scale Smaller than what, Redbook? We already have that in the form of MP3, or AAC. Perfectly good for 99.9% of people in the noisy subway-like environments that @The Computer Audiophile alluded to, and no consumer funded "ecosystem" is required. Smaller than Redbook rules out MQA. Shadders and Hugo9000 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: As I have been saying since Day 1, they critical thing to get a large streaming service signed on. Then I believe they will make money. So Spotify or bust then? Good luck with that, Spotify isn't exactly swimming in cash either, they booked $1.5 billion in losses in 2017. I don't think Spotify are in any position to throw MQA a lifeline, nor would they view it as important or critical to their own future strategically unless they are privy to the details of a music distribution monopoly strategy being employed by the labels as described in @KeenObserver's post earlier today. Hugo9000 and Shadders 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: Listen to the Rob Darling stream. He notes that Spotify became profitable in the U.K. So according to Rob Darling, Spotify made a few bucks in the U.K. while managing to lose $1.5 billion overall? Why would we think that's even accurate let alone meaningful? Shadders and Hugo9000 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hugo9000 said: Does any of this really seem plausible, let alone likely? In a word... no. Shadders and Hugo9000 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: He is mis-spelling "egosystem" Ha - I was unfamiliar with the word egosystem until just now. How very apropos. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: My understanding is that there are two situations with hardware makers: 1. They like the technology so they want to include it for better performance. 2. They like the technology but also see value in the MQA branding. That is not your understanding. Thats more fake news Lee, you left out: 3. They do not like the technology and think it offers degraded performance 4. They see no value in the MQA branding 5. They are at best indifferent and will stay that way until there are far more sources than tiny Tidal Hugo9000 and Shadders 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jud said: Or he's aware of the graphs, knows what they mean, and simply has decided to carry on regardless. Likely he is aware but still thinks it sounds cool to spout on about machine learning and encoders in the sky doing sophisticated hamburger batch processing that corrects for all of the ADC flaws ever known to man, and even some that have yet to be discovered too. Shadders and Hugo9000 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: "at what point does wilful disingenuousness become rudeness?" It does so immediately. Samuel T Cogley, Hugo9000 and Shadders 1 1 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: What's your evidence of this? Who's saying what? The very same can be asked of you Lee, these manufacturers who all fall into category 1 or 2 of your post, what evidence are you providing and just who are these manufacturers. Save the alibi of they are under NDA, or worse yet don't just rattle off a list of current MQA partners. Samuel T Cogley, Indydan, Shadders and 1 other 2 2 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said: Where is the evidence for this claim? So now you are judge trial and jury, and you need the names of companies and people otherwise it has to be rejected as hearsay? We can very safely place the majority of your posts in the rejected category then. You've been asked very recently in this thread which ADCs are flawed, or even which ones are now having their flaws corrected by MQA, where's your evidence Lee? Teresa, Hugo9000 and Shadders 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, Shadders said: An MQA file or CD is 16bit/48kHz, or 16bit 44.1kHz with added noise for the MQA upper frequency coding. Unless you have an MQA capable product (which costs), then as a consumer you have a degraded sound file. If you want to remove the degradation from the file you have to purchase an MQA capable product. So, as a consumer, MQA means to have at least, a clear/unadulterated 16bit sound file which has lossy coding, you have to purchase an MQA capable product, which adds the HF, which is lossy, causes blur, and aliases. There is absolutely NO potential in MQA. It is a complete and utter abortion of a scheme. Only MQA Ltd gains. Very well said, nicely boiled down for clarity and ease in understanding. There has not been any credible response to the above by anyone from MQA (nor their shills) to date. Even more concise/better yet: 3 minutes ago, Shadders said: You either get a noisy 16bit file with reduced S/N and dynamic range, or when decoded, a lossy, blurring, aliasing output. Utter shite. Shadders 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post MikeyFresh Posted March 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul R said: I just think that trashing MQA is the current fun thing to do, though I admit, with plenty of justification. Except that it isn't the current fun thing to do. I don't know why you or anyone would suggest that sort of thing. Rest assured most of us here seek and have fun in profoundly different ways than that. If you readily admit there is plenty of justification (and of course there is) for trashing MQA, then why isn't that sufficient reason for the anti-MQA sentiment here or anywhere? It IS sufficient and this strange need to then denigrate an online forum or it's participants, either by you or by MQA's representatives and shills, is both ridiculous, and dare I say THAT seems to be the cool "fun thing to do" in some people's minds. Such statements fail to place you on some sort of higher ground despite what you might think. Shadders, Teresa, Hugo9000 and 3 others 3 2 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, new_media said: Are you sure you’re not a paid social media consultant? Interesting thought, Accenture has had longstanding working relationships with Sony, Warner, and Universal. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, firedog said: Not a tough call at all. No it's not, nor this: 6 minutes ago, KeenObserver said: Skip MQA altogether! Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
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