MQA is Vaporware

[sandyk]

29 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

Indeed, it does not change your experience.

 

The problem, of course, is that your perceptions are not based only on the sounds coming into your ears, but involve other variables.  It is well known that visual inputs affect auditory perceptions for example.

 

a really nice looking phaat cable is an example of a visual input, as is the faceplate design of a component you are listening thru

 

that does not mean you cannot buy based on looks or a combination of looks, ergonomics and SQ - just be aware of what is affecting your perceptual experience 

 

 

 

Preaching to the converted again ?

 You really sell most C.A. members short !

[sandyk]

10 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

 

I don't think that guy is converted.  There are new members here all the time.

 

 

 Yes, unless you are referring to the types (mainly adolescents?)  who think that Dr Dre Beats headphones must be VERY good because of their looks. The fact that many come here for advice suggests that they are well aware that looks alone doesn't guarantee the highest quality sound.

[sandyk]

5 hours ago, kumakuma said:

 

Is there anything sadder than someone bragging about the expensive toys they own?

 

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[sandyk]

28 minutes ago, mansr said:

Curiosity is why I studied engineering.

 

 It's a shame that you lost your curiosity after becoming an engineer, and became so closed minded about what so many other members report in different areas of the forum such as Rajiv's very large thread, and the Uptone threads etc..

 What Lee has reported here sounds highly unlikely to me too, but unlike you,  I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand until I had an opportunity to try them.

The same applies to other items such as some from Bybee, which on the surface at least , appear to be just an encased very low value wire wound resistor (.025 ohm ?) , and Peter's Lush USB cables etc.

[sandyk]

11 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Even retired Telstra Principal Telecommunications Technical Officers probably have better things to do with their time than investigating the audio equivalent of trying to fly by flapping your arms...

 

A typical smart arse reply by someone who always jumps to the defence of E.Es even though he isn't one himself.

 It's a shame that people like yourself reject outright the many real advances in the SQ of Computer Audio by numerous members in other areas of the forum.

Still, if you are happy with the mediocrity of the audio from your own system ,just ignore the very real advances made elsewhere in other areas of the forum. 

 

I have no interest in anything further you have to say, so don't expect a reply.

[sandyk]

4 minutes ago, KeenObserver said:

Adopting MQA is the single worst thing the music industry could do.

 Perhaps not the single worst thing the music industry could do, but probably close to it.

 Does the general public need it , or want it ?  

There is nothing wrong with well implemented 24/192 or DSD which we already have.

 IF   "deblurring" of high res LPCM is really advantageous for optimum playback, we should be devoting further research to that area , NOT introducing another proprietary format .

[sandyk]

10 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

I'm confused. 

 

How is agreeing with smart folks saying things that made sense a bad thing?

 

 

 BYE !

[sandyk]

2 hours ago, crenca said:

All that said, the problem as I see it is not the Teddy's and Lee Scoggins of this hobby - confidence men have always been around.  The problem is Audiophiles themselves who in diverse ways ignore or tolerate all this...

 

 What if Lee was able to demonstrate with a high statistical probability through his own system under non sighted conditions that he could identify and actually preferred the MQA version ?

 

Calling others confidence men because you don't agree with them is going way too far without any kind of proof other than theoretical.

 

N.B.

 I don't want or feel the need for need MQA either !

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, Ralf11 said:

What if an asteroid the size of Manhattan hit Earth (again)?

 

- speculation is not useful, and my stmt. is something we can prepare for AND is more likely than yours

 

 Closed minded Zealots like yourself  are calling others conmen because with your closed minds you are not willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, let alone permit them the opportunity to demonstrate what they report hearing. 

You do NOT know what Lee is hearing, and you do NOT have an audio system with anywhere near the potential capabilities of his system. However, it is possible that there may be something in this particular system that causes him to prefer the MQA version , although for the vast majority they are likely to prefer pure unadulterated high resolution LPCM using their own systems.

It could be interesting if Chris was able to have Lee demonstrate to him what he believes is better about MQA in his own system.

 Quite often people do not hear certain differences until they are pointed out to them , and then may be able to home in on the same differences themselves.

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, Hugo9000 said:

readers can make up their own minds if they believe Lee is impartial or has good taste/musical discernment and pushes MQA out of a genuine love of it and desire to share that with the entire world

 

They should be permitted the opportunity to do so without the lynch mob mentality evident in this thread led by a couple of highly vocal members who consider themselves Judge, Jury and Executioner.

We have already seen more than enough of this type of behaviour already with the nasty " cut down the tall poppies" attacks on the integrity of people like John Atkinson. ( No, I do not read his magazine!)

[sandyk]

3 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

You're the type of audiophile to which I refer SandyK.  You have no objective basis the judge anything other than "preference", so everything for you is a mere preference.  This is radical subjectivism.

 

 Bullshit !

 I am the ONLY C.A. member who has had their observations verified by way of the so called:" Gold Standard " of 6 separate correctly performed DBTs, as well as non sighted listening by Barry Diament and others.

 People like you are so closed minded that you aren't even interested in  checking out any proof when it is offered, as I have done on several recent occasions with BR discs that have been available in the USA for > 6 months now.

 You simply aren't interested in seeing /hearing anything that challenges your belief system,.

Talk about welded shut closed minds !

[sandyk]

10 minutes ago, crenca said:

We don't want to be a part of, and have never truly been a part of the audio silliness that you would have us tolerate. 

 

Then what on earth are you doing in a forum with the name of Computer Audiophile ?

 What have you personally ever offered that may result in a further improvement in Computer Audio, which is the " raison d'être " for this forum, other than NEGATIVITY ?

 

All that I  am asking for is a little respect and civility to those whose views that you don't agree with, without insisting that they are shills or conmen or delusional. We have already seen one member banned for his unacceptable posts and threads in this area.

As I have already made very clear, I don't  feel the need for another format that I strongly believe can't possibly outperform well implemented high resolution LPCM.

 You will also see that in a couple of threads started by Mani that I am on record as preferring the original high res samples over the MQA versions.

[sandyk]

11 minutes ago, Confused said:

Thankfully this is roughly the same odds as Lee agreeing to a non sighted test.

 

 Then why not ask him ?

[sandyk]

3 hours ago, Rt66indierock said:

 

This thread is reaction to the activities of the audio press in 2014, 2015 and 2016. There was a lot of effort expended to get as much of the press as possible on board. There was a lot pressure applied to manufacturers to license MQA. 

  We need to be mindful that we risk losing participation by some very high profile industry figures if we continue to insult and ridicule those that we don't agree with.

Robust discussion is fine, but personal insults and attacks are not.

 

Barry Diament is one of those that no longer participates for this reason.

[sandyk]

32 minutes ago, Rt66indierock said:

Barry Diament will come back. I'll ask him when the time is right.

 

 Barry has no present intention of returning to this forum, and doesn't miss the forums in general..

Incidentally, Barry has a new album about to be released in 24/192 (also 16/44.1)

 This time around the .wav files will also be playable in media players such as the Oppo when burned to DVD due to different software being used in the conversion from the original .aiff files to .wav files. (previous software inserted too large a chunk in the Header)

 Among other things, Barry recently markedly improved the clocking in his Metric Halo.

[sandyk]

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  Nikola Tesla didn't seem too concerned .

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[sandyk]

24 minutes ago, crenca said:

 

I fixed it for you...

Thanks !

 

You have unwittingly managed to reinforce my original message, and show just how intolerant you are of most of the manufacturers/advertisers and their products that support the existence of this forum.

 

[sandyk]

26 minutes ago, Ralf11 said:

most??

 

get real - it's about MQA and their lackey running dogs

 

 You are the one who needs to get real. There are a small Core group of members  who deny the suitability of numerous different manufacturers/ C.A. Advertisers  products, including USB cables, USB Widgets, Linear PSUs, improved System Clocks, OS process reducing tools,  etc. etc. to improve the Signal Integrity and hence the sound quality of Computer Audio.

 

It's NOT just about MQA, which the vast  majority of contributing C.A. members agree is not needed, and is not an improvement over an original well recorded high resolution music file.

[sandyk]

1 minute ago, Ralf11 said:

USB Widgets, Linear PSUs, improved System Clocks, OS process reducing tools,  etc. etc. do not improve Signal Integrity

 

You of course know better than highly qualified professionals such as John Swenson.

  I will ignore further barbs from you that are directed at me, as I have far better things to do with my time, such as further refining the capabilities of my system using well established and proven techniques .

[sandyk]

11 minutes ago, sullis02 said:

 

As regards matters relating to digital audio, Barry Diament is at best a well-meaning victim of Dunning-Kruger, or at worst a hopeless high-end hack.   

 

I will let others decide for themselves.

 Many members will have quite a few from Barry in their own collections.

 

An incomplete list of Barry Diament credits from a 2008 thread

 

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/essential-barry-diament-masterings.131468/page-19

[sandyk]

11 minutes ago, FredericV said:

Please watch this again until you get it:

 

 Please reread my post again until YOU get it !

I wasn't supporting any vendor's claims either.

 

[sandyk]

5 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

“But we see the awareness of high-res audio growing here in the U.S. and Europe as well. Those markets are starting to follow. We’re prepared to go worldwide.”

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/why-sony-is-launching-a-hi-res-streaming-service-in-japan-767021/amp/

 

 

 

A service like this from  Sony has the ability to take the wind right out of MQA's sails !

 The Japanese are more known for their like of high res formats such as BluSpec , SHM etc. and NOT formats which degrade Audio.

[sandyk]

2 minutes ago, Em2016 said:

As Chris said above, MQA CD’s were pretty much made for the Japanese market. How popular? Who knows.

 

Japanese Audiophiles are a pretty discerning lot, and will hopefully soon see right through MQA.

[sandyk]

1 hour ago, Sal1950 said:

Ah Ha, you're finally going to start measuring for the things you think you hear.

I'm proud of your progress.

 

 I didn't say I was going to do some of the typically demanded measurements that have very little, if anything to do with how many components will sound.

 The C.A. Borg Collective is still unable to measure why some USB cables sound better than others, despite there being NO Data errors.

[sandyk]

10 hours ago, Don Hills said:

 

I look forward to you coming up with a measurement that shows why one USB cable sounds different than another one. If they really sound different, there must be a real difference between them. Real differences are measurable. 

  

 

 As usual, the lazy keyboard warrior E.E. insists that non qualified people should take or obtain measurement that only qualified people with suitable test equipment should be obtaining, assuming that at his age he still remember how to do so !