MQA is Vaporware

[christopher3393]

MQA now available on Tidal. Just loaded the app. No change in price for Premium subscribers. A couple of new threads have been started on this already. Suggesting that they be combined into the thread Chris started.

[christopher3393]

Just a quick update: the number of "Masters" available is now roughly 285.

[christopher3393]

Ethernet cables are off topic here. I would suggest another thread for that, please. There's enough to deal with in the Linn post, as well as other MQA concerns, imo.

[christopher3393]

nevermind. wish this could stay on topic.

[christopher3393]

Since the topic of this thread is a discussion/debate on whether MQA is "vaporware", the actions of de facto marketing agents is actually on topic.

 

I stand corrected. But I do think the exchanges with Michael Lavorgna were unhelpful in the nasty tone that was taken. Some of the criticisms were put very bluntly and I think excessively. It became pretty uncivil in my opinion. In the form it was taking it wasn't going anywhere but down the drain.

[christopher3393]

I encourage Mr. Lavorgna to participate in this thread: Audiophile Ethernet

 

But realistically there isn't going to be a well thought out counterpoint coming on any of this (MQA, Ethernet, or otherwise) from him so the fears of this thread really going off on a tangent due to participation by him are slim to none IMO. My observation is he as an inability to actually hold an above board conversation.

 

Point taken. Not sure I agree entirely. I think your posts can come off as pretty confrontational and aggressive at times , as well as several others who posted here. All good contributors, but it was clear to me this was driven by some animus and there seems to be the desire to give Michael a beat down. He's perfectly able to stand up for himself, but I just didn't think this was going to go anywhere because of all involved, not just Michael.

 

I may be wrong.

[christopher3393]

I'd like to thank Chris for his patience in allowing me to respond here. This 'discussion' has devolved to the point of no return as far as I can tell so I'm bowing out.

 

If anyone here has a question they'd like answered, send me an email.

 

Cheers,

 

Sorry this devolved, Michael. I wonder if you would have been given a fair chance even if you had replied more amicably?

[christopher3393]

It's because I'll badger a person to either actually construct a point they are trying to make or it will make them exit the thread.

 

You're no daisy yourself.

 

To badger is to "ask (someone) repeatedly and annoyingly for something; pester". synonyms: "pester, harass, bother, plague, torment, hound, nag, harry, tease". Is this your intention? BTW, do NOT mess with a badger

 

[christopher3393]

Fun thread....sorta. I think a good read is Darkos articles on MQA which do a pretty good job of explaining things.

MQA & Tidal - where are we now? | DAR__KO

 

Yeah, I found this down to earth and practical. Wondering what you think of Jim Collinson's (Linn) more conjectural concerns?

[christopher3393]

Not sure I read all of that. Is there a link?

 

Here's the direct link: MQA looks bad for music. Let me explain.

 

Michael Lavorgna's response is in post #505.

[christopher3393]

??? Just clicked that link, highest post # is 21.

 

Michael Lavorgna's response in this thread is post #505.

[christopher3393]

Well, I am not your survey/marketing dept. You would have to spend some time here and other forums that are relatively free of onerous censoring/banning If you and/or your publication were to survey the "regulars" around here (say, all those with 100 or 200 + posts and who are clearly "audiophiles") you would find that most only read your publications to be informed of the existence of new gear (i.e. they don't really "read" it), largely ignore the details of your reviews, and have a large and substantial distrust of your work and methods. You would find your approval ratings to be below congress!

 

This seems largely anecdotal based on your own experience, including your own biases. Michael has articulated his often-subjective perspective over the years. John Darko has as well. Also look at how Chris Connaker evaluates gear--- subjective listening is an important part of all of their approaches --not with DBT, and over a good stretch of time. Tyll Hertsens is very interested in objective test and measurement, but in the end subjective listening is very important for him as well, and he cannot always explain differences btw test results and subjective listening. He holds the 2 in tension. Michael does not regularly ignore the technical side of things in his reviews, and digs in to try understand and explain these. Certainly not to everyone's satisfaction how unusual is that?), but he is very clear about his preference for subjectivity. I'm ok with that. I think there may be many others here at CA that are ok with it as well. Obviously there are plenty who are not and plenty of audiophiles who are not. That's fine and strong disagreement is fine with me. But I wish we could stick to the issues rather than making the personalities the issue. I just don't think that will be productive. Just my opinion.

[christopher3393]

You are here at the behest of MQA to attempt to quell unrest and tamp down valid concerns about what MQA means to the future of music for consumers. You are literally doing your day job here.

 

[video=youtube;nqjQG-Tw9FY]

[christopher3393]

Where?

 

Supposing truth is a woman—what then? Are there not grounds for the suspicion that all philosophers, insofar as they were dogmatists, have been very inexpert about women? that the gruesome seriousness, the clumsy obtrusiveness with which they have usually approached truth so far have been awkward and very improper methods for winning a woman's heart?

[christopher3393]

Well, that Nietzsche was an expert on women ;-)

 

yeah, tragic on that front. I just wanted to suggest that sometimes there is a kind of theater of certitude on display here that doesn't help get at truth. And I don't think self-appointed honey-badgers help either.

[christopher3393]

That's really a lovely train of thought. Haven't gotten into Nietzche, but perhaps I should.

 

Bona ventura!

 

The Nietzsche Channel: Beyond Good and Evil. Preface.

[christopher3393]

I was thinking more like sock puppet.

 

Hey now, lay off the sock puppets!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQP2ZVfZ8DM&list=PLBE339CA100A496F1

[christopher3393]

No. I've done a lot of real writing. And no, I'm not a troll trying to spoil your fun.

 

Good to have you here. Welcome.

[christopher3393]

I posted (#693) on the Linn statement, but nobody on this thread thought it was worth reading.

 

Notice that post got 2 thankyous and 2 likes. I liked it...but then again, I'm Nobody.

[christopher3393]

This place is even crazier than I thought.

 

This place is even crazier than *I* thought ;-)

 

You might appreciate this:

 

[christopher3393]

The audio market does not have to be split into music lovers, professionals and audiophiles, if we can all accept one important truth: vaporware is here to stay and is an essential component for the full appreciation of MQA. Meet the Herbalizer, one of the best of the desktop components:

 

 

And, of course, the Digital Volcano:

 

[christopher3393]

10 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

It's not that artists would choose to stop making physical CDs, but that the option would be taken away from them if/when the industry decides to stop producing them and the pressing plants go out of business.

Won't most of us be dead by then?  

[christopher3393]

9 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

 

 

Not really,  I don't have to taste the food in Cook County Jail to know I'd rather not live or dine there.

 

This is the point where objectivity and subjectivity strangely blend together. Used to be called common sense. You don't need measurements to decide.

[christopher3393]

16 hours ago, Jud said:

 

This shows something quite different than you think it does.

 

First tell me: Do you recognize these as the same song?  Then we'll go from there.

 

 

 

 

 

EARWORM WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[christopher3393]

I heard that the primaries met secretly in December to discuss opening up a back channel. "Conspiracy" is no longer an exaggeration.