A novel way to massively improve the SQ of computer audio streaming

[darkfrank]

On 10/17/2019 at 11:34 PM, seeteeyou said:

 

That's why we'd like to call it 臥虎藏龍 or Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in English.

 

So many interesting products over there while they're virtually unknown to international customers. Here's an example with four SC cut OCXO

 

http://www.nctodolbs.com/dp-505-pro/

 

And then there's also something else called Jie Audio OS (kinda similar to XXHighEnd or something?) for 2,000 RMB

 

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=549594639001

 

They've got plenty of options to optimize the SQ department of RoonServer

 

http://www.headphoneclub.com/thread-732005-1-1.html

 

One of their customers tried AudioLinux (but not Euphony / Stylus yet) before and that's no match for JAOS, though AudioLinux might not be as optimized as what Larry did.

 

Even running the Server Core flavor of Windows Server 2019 in RAM (with Audiophile Optimizer + Process Lasso + Fidelizer) still wasn't as good as what JAOS could offer, though there might be language barrier unless we're adding this stuff ourselves

 

Microsoft-Windows-Server-Language-Pack_x64_en-us.cab
https://software-download.microsoft.com/download/pr/17763.1.180914-1434.rs5_release_SERVERLANGPACKDVD_OEM_MULTI.iso

 

Windows 8.1 Language Packs

https://github.com/Titokhan/display-language-switcher/blob/master/LangPack/9600-LPs.txt

 

Windows 8 Language Packs

https://github.com/Titokhan/display-language-switcher/blob/master/LangPack/9200-LPs.txt

 

Language Packs for Windows Embedded 8 Standard (64-bit)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=38763

 

Sometimes it's also fun to read direct listening impressions on other threads, especially when we're all about a collection of impressions on this particular thread here. I saw that JAOS actually consumed less than 1GB of RAM with 28 processes / 265 threads / 5359 handles, therefore having only 4GB of Apacer RAM should be good to go.

 

IIRC some of us actually opted for the superior SQ of Euphony / Stylus while forgoing the strength of Roon, maybe there's still a chance for Roon to shine again?

 

I kinda agree with Windows X's comparison between Windows and Linux that Linux always lack harmonics and consistency, make you feel that the sound stage is huge but empty.

[darkfrank]

On 12/29/2019 at 6:03 PM, seeteeyou said:

For industrial-grade wide temperature memory, @Marcin_gps and @Nenon showed us what we're able to get from Apacer with fantastic results.

 

Recently I placed an order for Dela / Melco S100 when there's an awesome 15% off discount, it turned out to cost me roughly 900 quids / 1050 Euros (151,800 × 0.85 = 129,030 yen + international shipping) instead of the £1,999 / €1,999 MSRP in Europe

 

https://media.buyee.jp/campaign/rakuten191219/en/

 

Of course I could very well be a fool to pay so much for S100 instead of ER but we'll see how it goes

 

https://devialetchat.com/Thread-Audiophile-Grade-Ethernet-Switches-The-new-generation?pid=89318#pid89318

 

That's why I started doing my homework in order to figure out what kinda aerospace-rated (e.g. EXTREME temperature that's ranging from -65 to 200 °C) Ethernet cables could be found online. Someone in Japan was going for some cables from Gore, an audiophile in Taiwan bought one of his USB cables and that turned out to be a winner

 

http://asoyajiaudio.jp/usb.html

http://asoyaji.blogspot.com/2018/12/usb.html

http://asoyaji.blogspot.com/2019/11/usb_24.html

http://asoyaji.blogspot.com/2019/12/lan.html

http://community.phileweb.com/mypage/entry/2408/20191008/

http://blog.livedoor.jp/bluejay01-review/archives/56144224.html

http://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?5404-走向超值而極緻的-HI-FI電腦訊源（連載）&p=237520#post237520

 

Someone else in Japan made DC cables from Oyaide FTVS-910 and sent that to @austinpop before, most likely he could try both USB and Ethernet cables from Asoyaji Audio

 

http://asoyaji.blogspot.com/2019/08/usb.html

 

Here's a list of cables available from Gore and their distributor in US should be WireMasters

 

https://www.gore.com/hdrsampleflyer

https://www.wiremasters.net/about-us/company-news/wiremasters-now-a-distributor-of-gore-bulk-wire-and-cable-products

 

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USB 2.0 cable with the largest gauge here (480Mbps)

 

RCN8800-22D-22P-H

https://www.gore.com/resources/usb-cables-aircraft-drawing-rcn8800

https://www.gore.com/sites/g/files/ypyipe116/files/2018-01/rcn8800f.pdf

 

US etc.

 

https://www.aircostcontrol.com/en/?q=RCN8800-22D-22P-H

https://www.netcomponents.com/sitemap/RCN8800-22D-22P-H.html

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn8800-22d-22p-h

 

For Ghent (China)

 

https://www.aiboco.com/News/detail/id/3086.html

 

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USB 3.1 cable here (5Gbps)

 

GSC-03-84761-24D

https://www.gore.com/resources/drawing-gsc-03-84761-24d-gore-tm-usb-3-1-aerospace-cables

https://www.gore.com/system/files/2019-10/USB 3.1 Cables - Drawing (GSC-03-84761-24D)_Rev C.pdf

 

US etc.

 

https://www.aircostcontrol.com/en/?q=GSC-03-84761-24D

https://www.netcomponents.com/sitemap/GSC-03-84761-24D.html

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/gsc-03-84761-24d

 

For Ghent (China)

 

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447109.html

 

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For Ethernet cables, I'm assuming that we're supposed to focus on the ones with "4 shielded pairs" and therefore I'm only listing 5 of them that could be found on WireMasters

 

US

 

https://www.wiremasters.net/products/grid?category=w-l-gore-ethernet-cables

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn9047-26-wl-gore-ehternet-data-cable

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn9034-24-wl-gore-ehternet-data-cable

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn8966-26

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn9034-28

https://www.wiremasters.net/product/productname/rcn8966-24

 

For Ghent (China)

 

https://www.aiboco.com/News/detail/id/66.html

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447160.html

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447158.html

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447157.html

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447159.html

https://www.aiboco.com/Stock/index/id/447156.html

 

Other links for Ghent to take a look

 

https://www.1688.com/store/BC1EA79A48F198A6E172D1C762EED987.html

https://detail.1688.com/offer/593135946775.html

https://detail.1688.com/offer/593135550835.html

 

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I have absolutely no idea how much those bulk wires from Gore would actually cost as well as what the minimum order is supposed to be, therefore I could only show everyone the price tag of similar offerings (-65 to 200 °C) from TE

 

https://www.te.com/global-en/plp/high-speed-digital-and-data-cable-raychem-cat-5e/Y30x6Xr87m9.html

 

1' for $15.49 (Minimum: 500)

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/C5E-24C424-B24-6X?qs=PqoDHHvF649q8lqggj1U4Q%3D%3D

 

1' for $33.63 (No Minimum?)

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/EJ2426-000/C5E-24C424-814-9-01-ND/9826301

 

Official site is showing -65 – 200 °C[-85 – 392 °F] despite what's listed above

 

https://www.te.com/global-en/product-EJ2426-000.datasheet.pdf

 

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The ones from Gore could either cost less or cost more, not exactly the most affordable options for sure while this is what we're paying for Wireworld and Audioquest

 

https://www.soundhelpers.com/CTGY/ETHERNET8.html

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/audioquest-cat7-carbon-rj-e-ethernet-cable-custom

 

Cheaper ones from QED / Supra / ViaBlue

 

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qxcat6-cat6-ftp-data-cable-custom-length

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qxcat6-cat6-utp-data-cable-custom-length

https://www.futureshop.co.uk/supra-cat8-flame-retardant-ethernet-cable-custom-length

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/cables-hautparleur-conducteurs/viablue-ep-7-cable-ethernet-rj45-silver-plated-ofc-copper-o-8mm-p-6698.html

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/cables-hautparleur-conducteurs/viablue-ep-7s-cable-ethernet-rj45-solid-core-ofc-copper-o-9mm-p-8051.html

 

The minimum order part could be somewhat tricky to deal with, therefore I hope that someone like Ghent could find a way take care of that for all of us.

 

How is the Oyaide FTVS-910 DC cables performs?

My friend made me an FTVS-408, compared with the BlackCat DC cable, the BC sound a lot more neutral and relaxed. 

[darkfrank]

I've been connecting my server to ER's B side and listened for past few months.

After reading Emile's post in wb, I tried to connect my server and router on A side.

OMG, the sound stage opened up a lot , it has more texture and energy then the B side 100M port.

 

I will not go back to B port anymore.

[darkfrank]

Well, the ground noise from monitor can be easily remedied by using an optical fiber HDMI. You can also use a wireless keyboard which has a tiny trackball on it, the keyboard will go to sleep after a while.

[darkfrank]

I must say that even I'm already using the Telegartner M12 switch, by using ROON to play local file only, unplug the network cable still improve the SQ for about ~20%.